Covid19 Part XV - 15,251 in ROI (610 deaths) 2,645 in NI (194 deaths) (19/04) Read OP

wakka12 · 14-04-2020 10:22AM

Cases in Belgium dropping but deaths remain consistently extremely high, another 240 deaths today..if it was the size of Italy it would be same as it reporting another 1500 or so deaths today..the highest number of deaths any country in Europe has ever reported per capita in a day

smelly sock · 14-04-2020 10:22AM

The same people on here arguing for a complete lockdown for the foreseeable future are the ones who will be disappointed when we have a vaccine.

They will probably tell people not to vaccine against Covid as it causes side effects.

I hope we can continue to be successful against Covid but we need to plan on living with it for possibly years to come.

smelly sock · 14-04-2020 10:23AM

wakka12 wrote: »

Cases in Belgium dropping but deaths remain consistently extremely high, another 240 deaths today..if it was the size of Italy it would be same as it reporting another 1400 or so deaths today..the highest number of deaths any country in Europe has ever reported per capita

Per capita doesn't tell the full story though. We really need to know the Median age and underlying medical conditions etc.

eagle eye · 14-04-2020 10:24AM

I had a very brief meeting in the bank this morning. While there I observed a local publican enter the premises and deposit a bunch of cash. He doesn't own and isn't involved in any other businesses.

wakka12 · 14-04-2020 10:26AM

smelly sock wrote: »

Per capita doesn't tell the full story though. We really need to know the Median age and underlying medical conditions etc.

Why? That number of deaths is absolutely astounding even if every single person who died was a 99 year old with 10 comorbidities

Belgium experiences about 195 deaths on a typical day. Even if 3/4 of the 240 deaths today were very frail old people who would have died soon anyway , even just the 1/4 alone is an enormous excess mortality rate increase on the average daily death rate in Belgium

stephenjmcd · 14-04-2020 10:26AM

https://twitter.com/FergalBowers/status/1250003948125204481?s=19

A very good thread here and with the WHO to announce guidelines today for the lifting of restrictions this gives you a good idea as to their thinking.

He also said in terms of social living that we can return to this pre vaccination so long as people take responsibility if they feel unwell. For example if you even have a common cold symptom going forward you simply dont go out and work from home if possible.

bodhrandude · 14-04-2020 10:26AM

Another piece of music to entertain the homeward bound.

Hobgoblin11 · 14-04-2020 10:26AM

smelly sock wrote: »

The same people on here arguing for a complete lockdown for the foreseeable future are the ones who will be disappointed when we have a vaccine.

They will probably tell people not to vaccine against Covid as it causes side effects.

I hope we can continue to be successful against Covid but we need to plan on living with it for possibly years to come.

A vaccine for covid might not prevent people from catching it twice, is that’s the case we may be goosed

bennyl10 · 14-04-2020 10:29AM

stephenjmcd wrote: »

https://twitter.com/FergalBowers/status/1250003948125204481?s=19

A very good thread here and with the WHO to announce guidelines today for the lifting of restrictions this gives you a good idea as to their thinking.

He also said in terms of social living that we can return to this pre vaccination so long as people take responsibility if they feel unwell. For example if you even have a common cold symptom going forward you simply dont go out and work from home if possible.

very good thread,
and makes the most sense.

it isn't feasible or possible to have lock down for the next 12-18 months.
Social distancing is also not a realistic goal

people need to take responsibility, if you as much as sneeze, stay at home

polesheep · 14-04-2020 10:32AM

stephenjmcd wrote: »

https://twitter.com/FergalBowers/status/1250003948125204481?s=19

A very good thread here and with the WHO to announce guidelines today for the lifting of restrictions this gives you a good idea as to their thinking.

He also said in terms of social living that we can return to this pre vaccination so long as people take responsibility if they feel unwell. For example if you even have a common cold symptom going forward you simply dont go out and work from home if possible.

Finally, some sense.

Longing · 14-04-2020 10:32AM

bennyl10 wrote: »

very good thread,
and makes the most sense.

it isn't feasible or possible to have lock down for the next 12-18 months.
Social distancing is also not a realistic goal

people need to take responsibility, if you as much as sneeze, stay at home

Maybe we could have let's say HSE police in every town or supermarket. Just idea. Sick people will leave their homes no question about it.

14-04-2020 10:32AM

smelly sock wrote: »

The same people on here arguing for a complete lockdown for the foreseeable future are the ones who will be disappointed when we have a vaccine.

They will probably tell people not to vaccine against Covid as it causes side effects.

I hope we can continue to be successful against Covid but we need to plan on living with it for possibly years to come.

Your first two paragraphs are probably one of stupidest things I've read on here this morning and for this thread that is something to say.

I would love to be able to go see my dad and other family members, I'd love to be sitting at a table outside a pub with a beer, but with a global recession on the way I'll be looking at keeping money for essential items.

I already told you that the stores you listed could be open online and deliver, but your not happy with that.

I am beginning to think most people can't stand to be at home with their family the way they are going on.

Hrududu · 14-04-2020 10:33AM

eagle eye wrote: »

I had a very brief meeting in the bank this morning. While there I observed a local publican enter the premises and deposit a bunch of cash. He doesn't own and isn't involved in any other businesses.

Excellent work. Keep us informed won't you?

Kermit.de.frog · 14-04-2020 10:33AM

smelly sock wrote: »

I hope we can continue to be successful against Covid but we need to plan on living with it for possibly years to come.

This seems contradicting. The only really reason we have been 'successful' in the west until now how has been the very mitigation measures you think should be lifted.

Can't have it both ways until there is a vaccine.

We have people openly saying they think they will be in Spain on holiday in June. They seem to believe this.

Seems to be a lot of denial around over what has happened.

We are where we are.

14-04-2020 10:34AM

JJJJNR wrote: »

Seen a Guinness van out on my walk in wicklow, are they putting plans in place..

Supermarkets and off licences possibly

Micky 32 · 14-04-2020 10:34AM

tobefrank321 wrote: »

Can you point out specific examples of doom mongering here?

Or is it just people having a conversation about realistic outcomes?

If you want us to say the economy should be opened up, fine we can do that. If you think there will be no negative consequences to that, then its head in the sand stuff I'm afraid.

Putting words in my mouth now? My mother does that too lol. Where did my post say i want to open up shop??

As far as i’m concerened the lockdown can stay as long as it needs to. My parents are in 70’s with heart conditions. They need protecting.

wakka12 · 14-04-2020 10:34AM

Belgium experiences about 9000 deaths in a typical 31 day period usually, and has reported at least 4157 deaths of people with COVID over the last 28 days

Wibbs · 14-04-2020 10:37AM

bennyl10 wrote: »

very good thread,
and makes the most sense.

it isn't feasible or possible to have lock down for the next 12-18 months.
Social distancing is also not a realistic goal

people need to take responsibility, if you as much as sneeze, stay at home

I'd mostly agree B, but that part I highlighted is the problem. It's a problem as it is. I'm pretty sure most of not all of us have seen multiple examples of people in the community not taking responsibility and not observing social distancing, or absolute minimum journeys etc. The Guards having to be out in force to stop utter morons from going to holiday homes over the last weekend alone but one example. I'm also pretty sure we've all known and had to work with people who came into work coughing and sneezing snots everywhere. Those idiots will still exist.

kg703 · 14-04-2020 10:37AM

Longing wrote: »

Maybe we could have let's say HSE police in every town or supermarket. Just idea. Sick people will leave their homes no question about it.

100% people will leave their homes anyway.

I know of two families where one person got the virus, (with positive tests) and the rest of the family went on about their business, bringing the kids out for walks, heading to supermarket, having drinks with neighbours over the walls etc.

Now they are coming down with symptoms

These are people who are well educated and in no way rule breakers under normal circumstances but if you say anything about it (one fam are close relatives) they get really irritated and talk to you like you are the King of Paranoia.

podgeandrodge · 14-04-2020 10:37AM

stephenjmcd wrote: »

https://twitter.com/FergalBowers/status/1250003948125204481?s=19

A very good thread here and with the WHO to announce guidelines today for the lifting of restrictions this gives you a good idea as to their thinking.

He also said in terms of social living that we can return to this pre vaccination so long as people take responsibility if they feel unwell. For example if you even have a common cold symptom going forward you simply dont go out and work from home if possible.

Presumably when the re-infection rate is below 1 at least - it couldn't happen now or everything we have done would be in vain no? Promising though, but I would like to know that there was something in terms of viable treatments beforehand!

Boggles · 14-04-2020 10:38AM

wakka12 wrote: »

Belgium experiences about 5500 deaths in a typical 4 week period usually, and has reported at least 4157 deaths of people with COVID over the last 28 days

So they have had nearly 10,000 deaths, almost double the average?

What's your point?

BLIZZARD7 · 14-04-2020 10:38AM

smelly sock wrote: »

We will have done that long before the 5th of May. I'm arguing that Varadkar should have extended the lockdown by 7 days and no more.

My feeling is he is playing political football with it now. If he lifts the restrictions before the 5th of May he will look great.

There is a near zero chance of any restrictions being lifted before May 5th. The CMO recommended this date, it's not political football.

14-04-2020 10:38AM

polesheep wrote: »

That is the reason they gave at the start, but it clearly isn't the real reason as our hospitals are far from stretched. We are continuing on lockdown because the government does not want to differentiate between social groups. Look at voting patterns in this country, the people who should be cocooning are the people who vote. They will not tolerate being locked down while everyone else can get on with things. You can spot them on this thread and you can be sure that they are making it known to the government. The scientists would lock down until the virus is gone or until there is a vaccine, that's simply the way they are programmed. The government, however, will always have one eye on the voter.

Our hospitals are not stretched because of the action taken. Remove this restrictions too soon and things will become stretched very quickly. Its a fine balance to be maintained. The restrictions need to be left in place long enough so there is enough time to react when a new wave comes. Remove them too soon and the second wave will overwhelm the system quickly, leave it too long and when the second wave comes there may be far more resistance to the measures. Its not a decision i'd like to have to make

easypazz · 14-04-2020 10:39AM

JJJJNR wrote: »

Seen a Guinness van out on my walk in wicklow, are they putting plans in place..

Cleaning lines and getting the empty kegs returned, so that they can be ready to go when they get the nod.

fin12 · 14-04-2020 10:39AM

Father pleading on 96fm now for Simon Harris to reply to his emails regarding how his disabled son will be treated if he was to contract the virus.

Simon Harris pure disgrace, answers twitter emails about a f*cking Easter bunny but can’t get in contact with this man.

virginmediapls · 14-04-2020 10:39AM

polesheep wrote: »

That is the reason they gave at the start, but it clearly isn't the real reason as our hospitals are far from stretched.

And that this point, you lose all credibility - you're divorced from reality if you think hospitals aren't already stretched. Can certainly tell you don't work in one.

14-04-2020 10:39AM

irishgeo wrote: »

Either cleaning taps or arranging keg collection.

Are either essential?

wakka12 · 14-04-2020 10:40AM

Boggles wrote: »

So they have had nearly 10,000 deaths, almost double the average?

What's your point?

Yeh..nothing remarkable at all about that

Roger_007 · 14-04-2020 10:42AM

fin12 wrote: »

Father pleading on 96fm now for Simon Harris to reply to his emails regarding how his disabled son will be treated if he was to contract the virus.

Simon Harris pure disgrace, answers twitter emails about a f*cking Easter bunny but can’t get in contact with this man.

I think Leo is the one with the medical degree. I don’t think Simon should be giving any medical advice.

virginmediapls · 14-04-2020 10:42AM

smelly sock wrote: »

Is this the HSE who gave a pile of people incorrect results recently?

That wasnt the HSE.

Jesus you're actually just wrong in all of your posts. One of the least informed posters here - and that's saying something.

Covid19 Part XV - 15,251 in ROI (610 deaths) 2,645 in NI (194 deaths) (19/04) Read OP

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