Covid19 Part XV - 15,251 in ROI (610 deaths) 2,645 in NI (194 deaths) (19/04) Read OP

HopsAndJumps · 14-04-2020 07:19AM

[Deleted User] wrote: »

Just waking up to see the headline “Coronavirus Ireland: No end to restrictions until vaccine for Covid-19 is found” in the Indo. It’s behind the paywall so can’t see the detail but looks like it’s Holohan saying that we’ll be in lockdown for the rest of the year, and I hope to God it’s more nuanced than that. I was going to get to work but can’t see myself doing anything now other than staying in bed and sleeping the day away

(And, also, it’s f****** shocking that the Independent still has its Coronavirus coverage behind the paywall)

I don't get why some people are flipping out over newspapers charging for their product.

Should all us essential workers do their job for free? Should physical newspapers be free at this time when you go to the shop?

Full access to covid news is available on rte.ie or the independent online version is available for a bank breaking €2.50 per week.

gozunda · 14-04-2020 07:22AM

JPCN1 wrote: »

We simply cannot lock down for a year, the resultant economic wasteland would be unimaginable.

Government will need people back to work where possible observing social distancing and the vulnerable cocooning. Sadly for some industries, Pubs, Events, aviation etc it'll be very difficult to come back from. Please try to spend your money in Ireland where you can.

Indo looking to scare people into paying to see the article.

Unfortunately it depends on little what we do and everything what the virus does in the near future.

A second wave or a stronger more virulent strain (as happened in the 1918 flu pandemic) targeting younger people could leave the world and not just Ireland facing a possible increasing death toll and further health care crisis. The issue of an 'economic wasteland' very much seems to be a rallying cry of many of those who seem to want to charge into this future without acknowledging that the management of the disease at this point is taking priority.

I believe what Harris is actually calling for is for the possible that there will be no relaxation of social distancing in order to continue to reduce such risk. I have no problems with that.

I believe there will be changes to the economy and working arrangements. However what they will be - we really cant dont know at this moment.

kenmc · 14-04-2020 07:26AM

HopsAndJumps wrote: »

I don't get why some people are flipping out over newspapers charging for their product.

Should all us essential workers do their job for free? Should physical newspapers be free at this time when you go to the shop?

Full access to covid news is available on rte.ie or the independent online version is available for a bank breaking €2.50 per week.

The independent was barely worth the price they charged pre paywall. It's definitely not worth the price now.
Sole exception being the physical product in the event of further runs of bogroll

Akrasia · 14-04-2020 07:32AM

HopsAndJumps wrote: »

I don't get why some people are flipping out over newspapers charging for their product.

Should all us essential workers do their job for free? Should physical newspapers be free at this time when you go to the shop?

Full access to covid news is available on rte.ie or the independent online version is available for a bank breaking €2.50 per week.

If it was proper journalism then pay for it. If its the independent distorting what Harris said in a press statement... I’ll pass

harr · 14-04-2020 07:37AM

We can’t have a lockdown indefinitely and a plan will be need to drawn up on how to live with this virus in the short term. Kids will need to get to school come September. Shops will have to reopen with restrictions in place .The likes of pubs and gyms probably the last to open but if it’s going to be with us till a vaccine is here then a controlled reopening needs to happen as soon as numbers start to flatten off ..

fin12 · 14-04-2020 07:40AM

wakka12 wrote: »

She'll fall off her chair when you tell her how many cases the rest of europe has

We have more cases then South Korea now, who had to deal with

1] a church who deliberately went out of their way to spread the virus

2) population much bigger

3) we had a lot more time to prepare before the virus hit here than Korea.

Also read on Irish examiner saying how mask wearing will become the norm but I’m guessing our government will wait till we have over 100,000 cases to start advocating mask wearing here. Their approach as always wait till the sh*t hits the fan.

GooglePlus · 14-04-2020 07:40AM

harr wrote: »

We can’t have a lockdown indefinitely and a plan will be need to drawn up on how to live with this virus in the short term. Kids will need to get to school come September. Shops will have to reopen with restrictions in place .The likes of pubs and gyms probably the last to open but if it’s going to be with us till a vaccine is here then a controlled reopening needs to happen as soon as numbers start to flatten off ..

Well there seems to be spikes wherever restrictions are being eased.

Will be interesting to see how Spain goes with some non essential workers back in the daily mix.

HopsAndJumps · 14-04-2020 07:42AM

Akrasia wrote: »

If it was proper journalism then pay for it. If its the independent distorting what Harris said in a press statement... I’ll pass

I never claimed it was proper journalism, I wouldn't buy that rag myself.

I was just making the point that expecting it to be free because of the covid-19 was bit out there.

fin12 · 14-04-2020 07:44AM

Deleted User wrote: »

Just waking up to see the headline “Coronavirus Ireland: No end to restrictions until vaccine for Covid-19 is found” in the Indo. It’s behind the paywall so can’t see the detail but looks like it’s Holohan saying that we’ll be in lockdown for the rest of the year, and I hope to God it’s more nuanced than that. I was going to get to work but can’t see myself doing anything now other than staying in bed and sleeping the day away

(And, also, it’s f****** shocking that the Independent still has its Coronavirus coverage behind the paywall)

Wouldn’t surprise me with them way they are handling this.

We will probably have one of the longest lockdowns on the planet.

14-04-2020 07:46AM

HopsAndJumps wrote: »

I don't get why some people are flipping out over newspapers charging for their product.

Should all us essential workers do their job for free? Should physical newspapers be free at this time when you go to the shop?

Full access to covid news is available on rte.ie or the independent online version is available for a bank breaking €2.50 per week.

The fact that reputable newspapers provide their COVID coverage for free should go some way toward indicating what the right thing to do is. I actually subscribe to reputable papers in any case (the Times, the Irish Times and the New York Times)

What is reckless of the rag that is the Indo is to have a highly inflammatory and misleading headline, and then hide the content.

Pitch n Putt · 14-04-2020 07:48AM

We know the reason behind the lockdown is to protect the hospitals from a surge in cases.

This is like learning to ride a bicycle now, By the 5th May we will have had the stabilisers on for five weeks.

At some stage we’re going to have to learn to cycle without them.

It’s great having spare capacity in the hospitals but at some stage we’re going to have to realise that it’s going to be used.

No point extending lockdown after lockdown and continue to look at all the spare capacity we have while the country goes down the drain.

Pitch n Putt · 14-04-2020 07:50AM

fin12 wrote: »

Wouldn’t surprise me with them way they are handling this.

We will probably have one of the longest lockdowns on the planet.

Yeah probably true because we have nobody strong enough to be a leader and make a decision.

Discodog · 14-04-2020 07:52AM

Finland is doing very well & they still don't have a lock down. My friend lives near Helsinki & went out buying furniture & seeing her family at the weekend.

eagle eye · 14-04-2020 08:10AM

CNN last night came up with some bull about covid-19 deaths finishing in the US on June 21.

shocksy · 14-04-2020 08:17AM

eagle eye wrote: »

CNN last night came up with some bull about covid-19 deaths finishing in the US on June 21.

CNN is FAKE NEWS.

smelly sock · 14-04-2020 08:22AM

fin12 wrote: »

The number of confirmed cases here is a joke. Was speaking to a friend from South Korea who used live here and she couldn’t get over it when I told her the number of cases we have here.

South Korea obviously putting their Economy over releasing the true data.

smelly sock · 14-04-2020 08:25AM

fin12 wrote: »

Wouldn’t surprise me with them way they are handling this.

We will probably have one of the longest lockdowns on the planet.

Dont think so.

The Indo needs to sell marerial thats all. I think the lockdown will be partially lifted soon enough.

Pubs, eateries etc to reamin closed.

Businesses where social distancing can be practised will reopen.

Lockdown isnt the key. Education is.

Nordicgael · 14-04-2020 08:26AM

Discodog wrote: »

Finland is doing very well & they still don't have a lock down. My friend lives near Helsinki & went out buying furniture & seeing her family at the weekend.

I live in helsinki and yes finland is doing well but finnish people by their nature are socially distant which helps.the measures here are quite similar to ireland really.but we dont have that 2km exercise zone here? how is that enforced?
My fear in finland is there is a five party government so it can take a while to agree on big decisions so hopefully they wont have issues making a plan to reopen things after may 13. here is a link to finlands current measures in place - https://valtioneuvosto.fi/en/article/-/asset_publisher/10616/hallitus-totesi-suomen-olevan-poikkeusoloissa-koronavirustilanteen-vuoksi

smelly sock · 14-04-2020 08:26AM

[Deleted User] wrote: »

The fact that reputable newspapers provide their COVID coverage for free should go some way toward indicating what the right thing to do is. I actually subscribe to reputable papers in any case (the Times, the Irish Times and the New York Times)

What is reckless of the rag that is the Indo is to have a highly inflammatory and misleading headline, and then hide the content.

The NY times reputable. You were doing well up to then

CucaFace · 14-04-2020 08:28AM

There is no way we can live like this until a vaccine is found. The economic and mental toll would greatly outweigh the problems from the virus if this goes on for over a year like that article stated..

What we need to get back to a someway normal existent life in the short term is an antiviral treatment that can treat most of the worst cases of this disease coupled with mass testing for antibodies in the whole population to see who have had it already and to see in reality how many people got the mild versions of it which hopefully is much bigger then what they think it is currently .

Professor Moriarty · 14-04-2020 08:30AM

Pitch n Putt wrote: »

We know the reason behind the lockdown is to protect the hospitals from a surge in cases.

This is like learning to ride a bicycle now, By the 5th May we will have had the stabilisers on for five weeks.

At some stage we’re going to have to learn to cycle without them.

It’s great having spare capacity in the hospitals but at some stage we’re going to have to realise that it’s going to be used.

No point extending lockdown after lockdown and continue to look at all the spare capacity we have while the country goes down the drain.

It's a terrible pity the HSE and government don't have access to such simple common sense as this. I mean, who needs expert advice and information? If only they would read this thread they'd be able to ride a bicycle.

Anyway, as we all know, they're only out to fool us. Vradakar, Harris, Holohan, De Gascun and all those eggheads are evil bastards who want to destroy the economy and kill as many people as possible. What the fcuk would they know? You should email the gubbermint and tell them to read this thread. A mine of common sense. Sure we all know it's them there 5G masts.

Honeydew3456 · 14-04-2020 08:33AM

JPCN1 wrote: »

We simply cannot lock down for a year, the resultant economic wasteland would be unimaginable.

Government will need people back to work where possible observing social distancing and the vulnerable cocooning. Sadly for some industries, Pubs, Events, aviation etc it'll be very difficult to come back from. Please try to spend your money in Ireland where you can.

Indo looking to scare people into paying to see the article.

Such f**king BS. We are more likely to die travelling to work than catching this thing and if caught have a 98% chance of recovery.

Putting economies into freefall for a tiny minority of people that are likely to die during the course of a year anyway given age and underlying health conditions. See below age range of italian deaths.

https://www.statista.com/statistics/1105061/coronavirus-deaths-by-region-in-italy/

And no I am not trying to be inhumane, compassionate etc. I am just trying to be bloody realistic. Because our govt never bothered to sort out the mess of a healthcare system before all this we, the taxpayer, will pay dearly for this enforced lockdown for a long long time.

smelly sock · 14-04-2020 08:40AM

Honeydew3456 wrote: »

Such f**king BS. We are more likely to die travelling to work than catching this thing and if caught have a 98% chance of recovery.

Putting economies into freefall for a tiny minority of people that are likely to die during the course of a year anyway given age and underlying health conditions. See below age range of italian deaths.

https://www.statista.com/statistics/1105061/coronavirus-deaths-by-region-in-italy/

And no I am not trying to be inhumane, compassionate etc. I am just trying to be bloody realistic. Because our govt never bothered to sort out the mess of a healthcare system before all this we, the taxpayer, will pay dearly for this enforced lockdown for a long long time.

Tide starting to turn at last. I have been saying this for weeks. The Tshock went to far with another 3.5 week lockdown. Mad stuff.

Restrictions should have been eased instead.

Pitch n Putt · 14-04-2020 08:42AM

Professor Moriarty wrote: »

It's a terrible pity the HSE and government don't have access to such simple common sense as this. I mean, who needs expert advice and information? If only they would read this thread they'd be able to ride a bicycle.

Anyway, as we all know, they're only out to fool us. Vradakar, Harris, Holohan, De Gascun and all those eggheads are evil bastards who want to destroy the economy and kill as many people as possible. What the fcuk would they know? You should email the gubbermint and tell them to read this thread. A mine of common sense. Sure we all know it's them there 5G masts.

You missed the whole point

Do you propose we carry on as we are until a vaccine is found??

There will be nothing left here if we do that’s potentially 12 mths away minimum

We hear about the capacity we have in the hospitals almost everyday from your listed experts above.

Absolutely no point creating and having all this if your not prepared to use it.

Professor Moriarty · 14-04-2020 08:44AM

smelly sock wrote: »

Tide starting to turn at last. I have been saying this for weeks. The Tshock went to far with another 3.5 week lockdown. Mad stuff.

Restrictions should have been eased instead.

Yeah. You know best with all your facts. If only we had a better leader eh? Any thoughts? Don't bother, I already know the answer.

smelly sock · 14-04-2020 08:46AM

Professor Moriarty wrote: »

Yeah. You know best with all your facts. If only we had a better leader eh? Any thoughts? Don't bother, I already know the answer.

Are you even a real Professor?

I feel the economic impact of this like everyone else so I'm well entitled to my opinion.

Tell me this, what's the basis for a continuing lockdown and extending it beyond May?

eagle eye · 14-04-2020 08:48AM

Honeydew3456 wrote:

And no I am not trying to be inhumane, compassionate etc.

You are being more inhumane and certainly not compassionate.

smelly sock · 14-04-2020 08:52AM

eagle eye wrote: »

You are being more inhumane and certainly not compassionate.

Practical also. I guarantee you that the Govt. are having the exact same conversation every day.

There comes a time when the Economy needs to be put first. The damage to people to leave a lockdown in place like this will far out way the damage of catching Covid. We can still look after the vulnerable though. We're not talking about throwing people to the wolves here.

Hurrache · 14-04-2020 08:53AM

smelly sock wrote: »

Restrictions should have been eased instead.

On what basis?

Red for Danger · 14-04-2020 08:56AM

No vaccine
No treatment
No money, (at least not enough to wait for vaccine )
And hoping that you or large sections of population have had it already is wishful thinking, it's not the case, very few people have or had covid19.

So the french government seem to be facing reality as they're fixing to let young children mix after may 11th.

It has to run through,
and starting with young children and their young parents is probably the best way.

Covid19 Part XV - 15,251 in ROI (610 deaths) 2,645 in NI (194 deaths) (19/04) Read OP

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