Covid19 Part XV - 15,251 in ROI (610 deaths) 2,645 in NI (194 deaths) (19/04) Read OP

amadangomor · 13-04-2020 11:51PM

smelly sock wrote: »

The alternative of locking down for any longer than May 5th is crazy.

Relax and enjoy it

Don't get the angst about relaxing at home!

Being realistic. There is no easy out here.

I think the end game will be cocooning vulnerable people in an ironclad manner and opening up the restrictions very gradually for everyone else.

Will mean hundreds of thousands of people still under restrictions for the next 18 months until a vaccine is available.

wakka12 · 13-04-2020 11:55PM

So there will be 2 million cases tomorrow, just 10 days after reaching 1 million, which took the world 3 months to get to

Higgins5473 · 13-04-2020 11:56PM

kilkenny31 wrote: »

We doing a relatively good job so. Only doubling every two weeks.

You have some belief in our testing and results? The HSE themselves have announced it is a shambles.

Simon Harris...playing a blinder.

kilkenny31 · 13-04-2020 11:57PM

wakka12 wrote: »

Nah, look at Scotland and Sweden, certainly not particularly intensely urban countries still experiencing huge numbers of deaths. Cork, Dublin and Limerick are densely populated cities, Dublin is the 26th most densely populated city in the EU
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/List_of_European_Union_cities_proper_by_population_density

The only reason we are not in the same position as europe, is government intervention, we have no special national immunity to this virus

So now you have proven you don't have a clue what your talking about, Sweden is one of the most urbanised countires in Europe 87.5% of the population live in urban areas. Scotland is also very urbanised greater than 80%. Ireland is not very urbanised around 60%.

ChikiChiki · 13-04-2020 11:57PM

Blueshoe wrote: »

Nepal also saw an increase of cases with 2 more today bringing the total to 14.
Thankfully no deaths and on a positive note they now have one recovered patient.

You're being childish.

13-04-2020 11:58PM

ChikiChiki wrote: »

Your being childish.

Never.

Birdie Num Num · 13-04-2020 11:58PM

tobefrank321 wrote: »

Not that surprising. Monaco is home to super wealthy who don't have to mix with too many others in a workplace, don't go on public transport, no underground, etc. Also far from epicentres like Paris. Weather might be a factor too. Also good medical care.

I did consider much of that but they also have bars, restaurants, a lot of tourists and are pretty close to the North Italian border too.

kyote00 · 14-04-2020 12:02AM

Who ever it is - they will take over a severely broken domestic economy, ongoing virus outbreaks over the next 12-18 months, oil price at rock bottom such that US oil makers can't compete, airline bankruptcies, hotel group bankruptcies

Tony EH wrote: »

It's almost like they want to lose. : /

wakka12 · 14-04-2020 12:02AM

kilkenny31 wrote: »

So now you have proven you don't have a clue what your talking about, Sweden is one of the most urbanised countires in Europe 87.5% of the population live in urban areas. Scotland is also very urbanised greater than 80%. Ireland is not very urbanised around 60%.

No you dont have a clue, you havnt looked beyond the vague classification of 'urban ' vs' rural' when it differs drastically by country.
In ireland any town or village with a population below 1500 is listed as rural
https://www.cso.ie/en/releasesandpublications/ep/p-urli/urbanandrurallifeinireland2019/introduction/

In sweden anywhere with a population above 200 is considered urban
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Urban_areas_in_Sweden

Anyway, you need only go and actually see the countries of sweden and scotland yourself to know well they are no more urbanised than Ireland is, I assume youve never visited then. And yet, they are experiencing huge numbers more deaths than us.
As I have said before, the only reason we are not experiencing the same fallout from this virus as the rest of europe is government intervention.

PaybackPayroll · 14-04-2020 12:03AM

amadangomor wrote: »

What happens then?

Most of the population have no immunity so any lifting of restrictions will be very minimal.

We will be back to square one if there is a total lifting of restrictions in the next couple of months.

I'm guessing that it will cycle. So restrictions will lift to ease pressure on the economy and then when cases increase, restrictions are applied again.

It'll end up similar to a sine wave, balanced by restrictions and what the health system can manage.

Probably go on like this for a while.

Blueshoe · 14-04-2020 12:05AM

ChikiChiki wrote: »

You're being childish.

I'm just posting stats about smaller countries that we don't hear about on the news.

For example Yemen have just the one confirmed case so far. Aid agencies have said if the virus takes hold in the country which has been ravaged by war it could potentially be a disaster for the people.

IrishStuff09 · 14-04-2020 12:14AM

wakka12 wrote: »

So there will be 2 million cases tomorrow, just 10 days after reaching 1 million, which took the world 3 months to get to

JHU reporting over 2m now

https://www.arcgis.com/apps/opsdashboard/index.html#/bda7594740fd40299423467b48e9ecf6

mandrake04 · 14-04-2020 12:16AM

autumnbelle wrote: »

Why is Australia doing so much better then here?

They are taking it more seriously, they went balls deep testing consistently from start with a 24hr turnaround and locked down the border. Anyone coming in to the country is made to quarantine in a hotel for 14 days and not given a room key and the army and navy are guarding their rooms.

Although lot of businesses like hardware stores, shops etc still open they operate strict social distance policies now like only limited to 2- 4 people per aisle. They also handing out $1100 fines if you not doing the right thing in public or making unnecessary trips. A lot of families out walking yesterday getting fresh air but all play equipment is closed, city beaches are closed and 90% of people are doing the right thing.

They are also testing sewage for levels of virus and then blanket testing those hot spot communities with anyone with even the mildest symptoms or anyone who would like tested. Now able to give same day results.

owlbethere · 14-04-2020 12:24AM

mandrake04 wrote: »

They are taking it more seriously, they went balls deep testing consistently from start with a 24hr turnaround and locked down the border. Anyone coming in to the country is made to quarantine in a hotel for 14 days and not given a room key and the army and navy are guarding their rooms.

Although lot of businesses like hardware stores, shops etc still open they operate strict social distance policies now like only limited to 2- 4 people per aisle. They also handing out $1100 fines if you not doing the right thing in public or making unnecessary trips. A lot of families out walking yesterday getting fresh air but all play equipment is closed, city beaches are closed and 90% of people are doing the right thing.

They are also testing sewage for levels of virus and then blanket testing those hot spot communities with anyone with even the mildest symptoms or anyone who would like tested. Now able to give same day results.

Australia and New Zealand approach is remarkable. There's no messing about in any of them countries.

kowloon · 14-04-2020 12:26AM

autumnbelle wrote: »

Why is Australia doing so much better then here?

The virus itself has trouble surviving in Australia, the place is that hazardous.

kilkenny31 · 14-04-2020 12:34AM

wakka12 wrote: »

No you dont have a clue, you havnt looked beyond the vague classification of 'urban ' vs' rural' when it differs drastically by country.
In ireland any town or village with a population below 1500 is listed as rural
https://www.cso.ie/en/releasesandpublications/ep/p-urli/urbanandrurallifeinireland2019/introduction/

In sweden anywhere with a population above 200 is considered urban
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Urban_areas_in_Sweden

Anyway, you need only go and actually see the countries of sweden and scotland yourself to know well they are no more urbanised than Ireland is, I assume youve never visited then. And yet, they are experiencing huge numbers more deaths than us.
As I have said before, the only reason we are not experiencing the same fallout from this virus as the rest of europe is government intervention.

Now see this is again where you have shown you are wrong. Greater than 80% of the population of Sweden live in a city of more than 5000 people. https://worldpopulationreview.com/countries/sweden-population/cities/
I have been to both countires and I have seen first hand that they don't have many one off rural housing like we do here. There planning system don't allow it. Sweden is one of the most heavily urbanised countries in Europe. Ireland is one of the least. Fact.

fin12 · 14-04-2020 12:40AM

The number of confirmed cases here is a joke. Was speaking to a friend from South Korea who used live here and she couldn’t get over it when I told her the number of cases we have here.

lmimmfn · 14-04-2020 12:40AM

kilkenny31 wrote: »

Now see this is again where you have shown you are wrong. Greater than 80% of the population of Sweden live in a city of more than 5000 people. https://worldpopulationreview.com/countries/sweden-population/cities/
I have been to both countires and I have seen first hand that they don't have many one off rural housing like we do here. There planning system don't allow it. Sweden is one of the most heavily urbanised countries in Europe. Ireland is one of the least. Fact.

There's plenty of one offs outside Stockholm in the archipelago's.

wakka12 · 14-04-2020 12:42AM

kilkenny31 wrote: »

Now see this is again where you have shown you are wrong. Greater than 80% of the population of Sweden live in a city of more than 5000 people. https://worldpopulationreview.com/countries/sweden-population/cities/
I have been to both countires and I have seen first hand that they don't have many one off rural housing like we do here. There planning system don't allow it. Sweden is one of the most heavily urbanised countries in Europe. Ireland is one of the least. Fact.

You are massively exaggerating how rural Ireland is. Youd think we all live in country manors surrounded by a hundred acres the way youre going on

2.5 million people in Ireland live in urban areas with populations greater than 10,000, with hundreds of thousands more in towns over 5000
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/List_of_urban_areas_in_the_Republic_of_Ireland_by_population

Anyway, my main point is Ireland has more than enough urbanity that coronavirus could wreak havoc,and it would have if not for government intervention

wakka12 · 14-04-2020 12:47AM

fin12 wrote: »

The number of confirmed cases here is a joke. Was speaking to a friend from South Korea who used live here and she couldn’t get over it when I told her the number of cases we have here.

She'll fall off her chair when you tell her how many cases the rest of europe has

kilkenny31 · 14-04-2020 12:48AM

wakka12 wrote: »

You are massively exaggerating how rural Ireland is

2.5 million people in Ireland live in urban areas with populations greater than 10,000
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/List_of_urban_areas_in_the_Republic_of_Ireland_by_population

It is a very rural country by western standards, which thankfully is standing to us during this crisis. Scotland has a greater proportion of its population living in cities of more that 15000 inhabitants than we do in cities of more than 3000 inhabitants. Even when it comes to out cities we have realtivly low levels of apartment living.

wakka12 · 14-04-2020 12:53AM

kilkenny31 wrote: »

It is a very rural country by western standards, which thankfully is standing to us during this crisis. Scotland has a greater proportion of its population living in cities of more that 15000 inhabitants than we do in cities of more than 3000 inhabitants. Even when it comes to out cities we have realtivly low levels of apartment living.

Yes, I have no doubt it is a major benefit in this scenario but is is absolutely not the only reason as you make out. We still have ten thousand cases (likely thousands more undected), and thats with an extreme lockdown, not hard to see how many hundreds of thousands of cases we would have by now if not for government intervention

ILoveYourVibes · 14-04-2020 12:56AM

wakka12 wrote: »

She'll fall off her chair when you tell her how many cases the rest of europe has

And south korea is a lot more densely populated than many cities in Europe.

kilkenny31 · 14-04-2020 01:00AM

wakka12 wrote: »

Yes, I have no doubt it is a major benefit in this scenario but is is absolutely not the only reason as you make out. We still have ten thousand cases (likely thousands more undected), and thats with an extreme lockdown, not hard to see how many hundreds of thousands of cases we would have by now if not for government intervention

I think hundreds of thousands is extreme. Look ay Sweden. They have very light restrictions compared to the rest of Europe but 900 deaths. I'd imagine without the restrictions we would be maybe double the cases we have now treble at most not 10 or 20 times the cases.

wakka12 · 14-04-2020 01:06AM

kilkenny31 wrote: »

I think hundreds of thousands is extreme. Look ay Sweden. They have very light restrictions compared to the rest of Europe but 900 deaths. I'd imagine without the restrictions we would be maybe double the cases we have now treble at most not 10 or 20 times the cases.

Sweden has significantly more than 900 deaths as nursing home and home deaths are not counted, they account for a third of deaths usually so its likely about 1200 deaths. with 1% mortality, Sweden likely has about 120,000 cases. While Sweden has comparatively light restrictions there are still pretty major social distancing initiatives in place(such as ban on very large gatherings, people working fromhome if they can) which have a huge effect too

The original large estimates of how many people would be infected were based on absolutely no social distancing measurs in place, so I dont think its hard to see at all how Ireland would have 100,000 cases by now at all, Dublin would easily have 50,000 by now alone

fritzelly · 14-04-2020 01:13AM

IrishStuff09 wrote: »

JHU reporting over 2m now

https://www.arcgis.com/apps/opsdashboard/index.html#/bda7594740fd40299423467b48e9ecf6

Looks like someone messed up entering figures

kingshankly · 14-04-2020 06:25AM

No posts in over 5 hours crikey😱

14-04-2020 06:42AM

Just waking up to see the headline “Coronavirus Ireland: No end to restrictions until vaccine for Covid-19 is found” in the Indo. It’s behind the paywall so can’t see the detail but looks like it’s Holohan saying that we’ll be in lockdown for the rest of the year, and I hope to God it’s more nuanced than that. I was going to get to work but can’t see myself doing anything now other than staying in bed and sleeping the day away

(And, also, it’s f****** shocking that the Independent still has its Coronavirus coverage behind the paywall)

AlmightyCushion · 14-04-2020 06:56AM

[Deleted User] wrote: »

Just waking up to see the headline “Coronavirus Ireland: No end to restrictions until vaccine for Covid-19 is found” in the Indo. It’s behind the paywall so can’t see the detail but looks like it’s Holohan saying that we’ll be in lockdown for the rest of the year, and I hope to God it’s more nuanced than that. I was going to get to work but can’t see myself doing anything now other than staying in bed and sleeping the day away

(And, also, it’s f****** shocking that the Independent still has its Coronavirus coverage behind the paywall)

https://www.google.com/amp/s/amp.breakingnews.ie/ireland/simon-harris-social-distancing-could-be-part-of-irish-life-until-vaccine-available-993783.html

JPCN1 · 14-04-2020 06:57AM

Deleted User wrote: »

Just waking up to see the headline “Coronavirus Ireland: No end to restrictions until vaccine for Covid-19 is found” in the Indo. It’s behind the paywall so can’t see the detail but looks like it’s Holohan saying that we’ll be in lockdown for the rest of the year, and I hope to God it’s more nuanced than that. I was going to get to work but can’t see myself doing anything now other than staying in bed and sleeping the day away

(And, also, it’s f****** shocking that the Independent still has its Coronavirus coverage behind the paywall)

We simply cannot lock down for a year, the resultant economic wasteland would be unimaginable.

Government will need people back to work where possible observing social distancing and the vulnerable cocooning. Sadly for some industries, Pubs, Events, aviation etc it'll be very difficult to come back from. Please try to spend your money in Ireland where you can.

Indo looking to scare people into paying to see the article.

Covid19 Part XV - 15,251 in ROI (610 deaths) 2,645 in NI (194 deaths) (19/04) Read OP

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