The UK response to Covid-19 [MOD WARNING 1ST POST]

Memnoch · 13-04-2020 10:12PM

Aegir wrote: »

Not as much as I’d be concerned if they were not being recorded at all.

You were not concerned when they were not being included initially. Nor have you shown any concern at the whistleblower account mentioned on Channel 4 News.

You are also unconcerned that a lot of people are clearly dying without being tested and so there is no way to know if their deaths will be counted or not.

Memnoch · 13-04-2020 10:13PM

Aegir wrote: »

GPs are under pressure because there are a lot of sick people at the moment, not pressure from the government to falsify the figures.

The government was putting pressure on NHS staff to not point out about the lack of PPE a couple of weeks ago.

What is to say they won't interfere in the ONS statistics considering their repeated lies on virtually every facet of this crisis?

devnull · 13-04-2020 10:30PM

The Government have announced that they are going to discontinue the Covid Data and Reporting Dashboard system with effect from 14th April 2020 in favour of a new one.

The message sent out says

From Tuesday 14 April the Dashboard will be moving, and the data download will be in the form of a CSV file from the new Dashboard.

Details of the new location will be at: https://www.gov.uk/government/publications/covid-19-track-coronavirus-cases

The data downloaded from the new dashboard will updated daily with corrected figures for the time series.
Data will be presented by specimen date, not by reporting date

This Dashboard shows graphs and a regional breakdown and the number of deaths by day for the whole period, along with regional, trust and country breakdowns of deaths and offers a full Excel download with comprehensive full data.

From this date forward a new tracker will be brought in which no longer contains the number of new deaths and new cases reported each day. Instead it will simply count the number of deaths by specimen date and update the figures for the previous days, every day. The detailed Excel file will be replaced by a more basic CSV file.

For the Government it probably looks far better to add 800 cases spread over 12 days where they're less noticed rather than have a big headline figure for the number reported in the last 24 hours.

13-04-2020 10:30PM

Memnoch wrote: »

The government was putting pressure on NHS staff to not point out about the lack of PPE a couple of weeks ago.

What is to say they won't interfere in the ONS statistics considering their repeated lies on virtually every facet of this crisis?

I did hear that Matt Hancock is following each of the 28,000 general practitioners in England to make sure they comply.

Harry Palmr · 13-04-2020 10:31PM

The UK media has decided Ireland is the best boy in class, or at least a better boy in class I see.

devnull · 13-04-2020 10:35PM

Aegir wrote: »

From what I can gather, The issues aren’t so much with the NHS staff, more with GPS, care homes and care visitors. The PPE is in stock, but it is a massive logistical problem getting it to where it is needed. I can’t remember the exact numbers, but Matt Hancock said NHS Supply Chain normally supplies to 32 hospital trusts, they are now supply to over 56,000 individual establishments. That is why the army have been brought in to shift some of this stuff, because the logistics companies just can’t cope.

They stocked up because of Brexit and replenishment is happening, but fulfillment is still an issue.

There are also issues with community nurses in some areas as well who have been told that they can only use a shield and a mask if the patient has or may have Covid-19. Otherwise they are only allowed to have one or the other, most of which opt for a mask.

Previously they were wearing the full kit but because of a shortage of supplies there was a directive from the trust management that they had to cut back as they were worried that they were run out. Some of the quality of some of the equipment as well is very poor, thin and cheap looking.

By the way, there are a lot more than 32 Hospital Trusts in the UK, There are 179 in England alone, so not sure how Hancock thinks the other 147 in England alone are coping?

13-04-2020 10:42PM

devnull wrote: »

There are also issues with community nurses in some areas as well who have been told that they can only use a shield and a mask if the patient has or may have Covid-19. Otherwise they are only allowed to have one or the other, most of which opt for a mask.

Previously they were wearing the full kit but because of a shortage of supplies there was a directive from the trust management that they had to cut back as they were worried that they were run out. Some of the quality of some of the equipment as well is very poor, thin and cheap looking.

By the way, there are a lot more than 32 Hospital Trusts in the UK, There are 179 in England alone, so not sure how Hancock thinks the other 147 in England alone are coping?

Like I said, I couldn’t remember the actual numbers, but it was a huge leap. NHS supply chain are delivering Specialist PPE to premises that would never have used it previously, like GP surgeries, care homes and the community nurses you mentioned.

I think anyone can appreciate what a huge logistical issue that is.

Memnoch · 13-04-2020 10:43PM

Aegir wrote: »

I did hear that Matt Hancock is following each of the 28,000 general practitioners in England to make sure they comply.

It's nice that you can be glib about potentially thousands or if we estimate deaths in the community to be at the same rate as deaths in hospital as we are seeing from Italy etc, then 10,000+ who are simply not counted.

You must really be invested in some personal emotional or practical way to have to stretch so far to deflect from the horrible results of the incompetence of this administration.

GetWithIt · 13-04-2020 10:44PM

devnull wrote: »

The Government have announced that they are going to discontinue the Covid Data and Reporting Dashboard system with effect from 14th April 2020 in favour of a new one.....

Isn't that the dashboard that is linked gov.uk site. It currently contains all the features mentioned. The only difference seems to be to the xls available and the numbers represented historically.

Enzokk · 13-04-2020 10:48PM

Telegraph tomorrow,

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You can see at the bottom, a third of NHS staff is testing positive.

About the strategy to get people sick to build up immunity until a vaccine is ready,

https://twitter.com/J_Bloodworth/status/1249794092634124293?s=20

And then on PPE again, it seems the stories of shortages just doesn't stop really,

https://twitter.com/LiamThorpECHO/status/1249809689921142784?s=20

devnull · 13-04-2020 10:51PM

GetWithIt wrote: »

Isn't that the dashboard that is linked gov.uk site. It currently contains all the features mentioned. The only difference seems to be to the xls available and the numbers represented historically.

The Dashboard linked from the GOV.UK site is being discontinued from tomorrow.

XLSX files are far better as they can contain multiple tabs and present data significantly better and support vastly more features and also support formatting etc which is not supported from CSV files.

Putting in 7 tab spreadsheet into one CSV file will make the data harder to access but putting it in multiple CSV files rather than one XLSX file makes the data harder to analyse and access versus having it all in it's own tab.

The current Dashboard and the Excel file distributed with the data from it is pretty transparent (whilst not perfect) and contains a wealth of useful data, graphs and potential to analyse the situation, perhaps this is why it is being removed.

13-04-2020 10:56PM

Memnoch wrote: »

It's nice that you can be glib about potentially thousands or if we estimate deaths in the community to be at the same rate as deaths in hospital as we are seeing from Italy etc, then 10,000+ who are simply not counted.

You must really be invested in some personal emotional or practical way to have to stretch so far to deflect from the horrible results of the incompetence of this administration.

I was being glib about your stupid posts actually.

declanflynn · 13-04-2020 10:59PM

Aegir wrote: »

I did hear that Matt Hancock is following each of the 28,000 general practitioners in England to make sure they comply.

How many Matt hancocks are there

Joe_ Public · 13-04-2020 11:02PM

Enzokk wrote: »

Telegraph tomorrow,

You can see at the bottom, a third of NHS staff is testing positive

I'm curious. It says one third have tested positive out of 16,888 tests but doesn't say what time frame. Can that be the total number of nhs staff tested? Less than 17,000 out of a workforce of 500,000. That's less than 3% if my rudimentary maths isnt letting me down. Thats pretty shocking.

13-04-2020 11:02PM

declanflynn wrote: »

How many Matt hancocks are there

28,000 apparently. Each of them looking over a general practitioners shoulder.

GetWithIt · 13-04-2020 11:05PM

devnull wrote: »

.....
The current Dashboard and the Excel file distributed with the data from it is pretty transparent (whilst not perfect) and contains a wealth of useful data, graphs and potential to analyse the situation, perhaps this is why it is being removed.

Are you saying the dashboard is being discontinued because it's too good? Genuinely sorry if I'm taking you up wrong.

Enzokk · 13-04-2020 11:12PM

Joe_ Public wrote: »

I'm curious. It says one third have tested positive out of 16,888 tests but doesn't say what time frame. Can that be the total number of nhs staff tested? Less than 17,000 out of a workforce of 500,000. That's less than 3% if my rudimentary maths isnt letting me down. Thats pretty shocking.

Well at the start of the month it was only 2000 so in 12 days they have done 15 000 tests on NHS staff. That is at least an improvement, and seeing as those who has been off work due to showing symptoms were probably the first to get tested you expect the positive results to be quite high. The problem has always been those that are asymptomatic or had mild symptoms and pushed through it to continue working and who could have spread the virus.

But at least Johnson is out of the ICU. He has shown great character in fighting this disease and defeating it. That should make up for any shortcomings the UK may have made.

declanflynn · 13-04-2020 11:19PM

Looks like the US, the uk, Russia and Brazil are going to the 4 worst effected first world countries in the world, it's no coincidence that their leaders are disconnected from reality

Joe_ Public · 13-04-2020 11:23PM

Enzokk wrote: »

Well at the start of the month it was only 2000 so in 12 days they have done 15 000 tests on NHS staff. That is at least an improvement, and seeing as those who has been off work due to showing symptoms were probably the first to get tested you expect the positive results to be quite high. The problem has always been those that are asymptomatic or had mild symptoms and pushed through it to continue working and who could have spread the virus.

But at least Johnson is out of the ICU. He has shown great character in fighting this disease and defeating it. That should make up for any shortcomings the UK may have made.

In fairness that is an improvement. Only another 15 months and that nhs backlog will be entirely cleared. Although when their great british pluck enables them to overcome their institutional incompetence to up testing to 100,000 a day, they'll have it sorted well before then.

And if not and a few pensioners have to cop it well, yeah, it'll be alright because boris took one for the team and still made it and thats all that really matters for now.

13-04-2020 11:27PM

Joe_ Public wrote: »

In fairness that is an improvement. Only another 15 months and that nhs backlog will be entirely cleared. Although when their great british pluck enables them to overcome their institutional incompetence to up testing to 100,000 a day, they'll have it sorted well before then.

And if not and a few pensioners have to cop it well, yeah, it'll be alright because boris took one for the team and still made it and thats all that really matters for now.

Yeah, I think that post says everything we need to know about your “concerns”.

declanflynn · 13-04-2020 11:42PM

Joe_ Public wrote: »

In fairness that is an improvement. Only another 15 months and that nhs backlog will be entirely cleared. Although when their great british pluck enables them to overcome their institutional incompetence to up testing to 100,000 a day, they'll have it sorted well before then.

And if not and a few pensioners have to cop it well, yeah, it'll be alright because boris took one for the team and still made it and thats all that really matters for now.

He would have taken one for team save for the work of those 2 foreigners and that German ventilator

pod49 · 14-04-2020 12:28AM

declanflynn wrote: »

He would have taken one for team save for the work of those 2 foreigners and that German ventilator

Waiting to hear the Brexiteers say: "Vorsprung durch Technik".

Blueshoe · 14-04-2020 01:35AM

UK police have lost the run of themselves

https://twitter.com/BanTheBBC/status/1249598512427347969?s=19

AllForIt · 14-04-2020 03:03AM

Aegir wrote: »

Yeah, I think that post says everything we need to know about your “concerns”.

It's laughable what is going on on this thread.

Socialist pretending to talk seriously about the pandemic but just using it as way to attach the UK Gov. All the same posters you'll see on the politics Brexit thread.

What is more laughable as seen on the Brexit thread, is the the way they so casually express their views as if everyone else is in total agreement with what they say. Oh yes yes, totally agree, here here.

But his space is just a hiding place for ppl with such views, and it's a bit sad that one comes here for the warm feeling from ppl agreeing with you, when they don't get it in real life.

Let me stick the knife in - Boris Johnson is an extremely likable character no matter how much socialist's have tried to vilify him. And the best part is - no one likes socialists, not least that horrible Jeremy Corbyn. What an extremely unlikable character he is/was. And even better not only did he ensure Labour wasn't elected under his watch but his legacy is that Labour won't be elected again in my lifetime, because he showed to the world what dowdy socialist's are really like. Ha.

VinLieger · 14-04-2020 04:31AM

AllForIt wrote: »

It's laughable what is going on on this thread.

Socialist pretending to talk seriously about the pandemic but just using it as way to attach the UK Gov. All the same posters you'll see on the politics Brexit thread.

What is more laughable as seen on the Brexit thread, is the the way they so casually express their views as if everyone else is in total agreement with what they say. Oh yes yes, totally agree, here here.

But his space is just a hiding place for ppl with such views, and it's a bit sad that one comes here for the warm feeling from ppl agreeing with you, when they don't get it in real life.

Let me stick the knife in - Boris Johnson is an extremely likable character no matter how much socialist's have tried to vilify him. And the best part is - no one likes socialists, not least that horrible Jeremy Corbyn. What an extremely unlikable character he is/was. And even better not only did he ensure Labour wasn't elected under his watch but his legacy is that Labour won't be elected again in my lifetime, because he showed to the world what dowdy socialist's are really like. Ha.

None of which has to do with the topic of the UK response which is what the threads about but good for you honey getting all that off your chest, pointless and rambling though it may have been.

blinding · 14-04-2020 06:08AM

biko wrote: »

Police smashed a residents door in looking for 'social gatherings'.
https://twitter.com/BanTheBBC/status/1249598512427347969

The Spanish Police would have dealt with him differently. They would not put up with that for 1 second ! !:eek:

declanflynn · 14-04-2020 06:55AM

AllForIt wrote: »

It's laughable what is going on on this thread.

Socialist pretending to talk seriously about the pandemic but just using it as way to attach the UK Gov. All the same posters you'll see on the politics Brexit thread.

What is more laughable as seen on the Brexit thread, is the the way they so casually express their views as if everyone else is in total agreement with what they say. Oh yes yes, totally agree, here here.

But his space is just a hiding place for ppl with such views, and it's a bit sad that one comes here for the warm feeling from ppl agreeing with you, when they don't get it in real life.

Let me stick the knife in - Boris Johnson is an extremely likable character no matter how much socialist's have tried to vilify him. And the best part is - no one likes socialists, not least that horrible Jeremy Corbyn. What an extremely unlikable character he is/was. And even better not only did he ensure Labour wasn't elected under his watch but his legacy is that Labour won't be elected again in my lifetime, because he showed to the world what dowdy socialist's are really like. Ha.

National front

Enzokk · 14-04-2020 07:22AM

AllForIt wrote: »

It's laughable what is going on on this thread.

Socialist pretending to talk seriously about the pandemic but just using it as way to attach the UK Gov. All the same posters you'll see on the politics Brexit thread.

What is more laughable as seen on the Brexit thread, is the the way they so casually express their views as if everyone else is in total agreement with what they say. Oh yes yes, totally agree, here here.

But his space is just a hiding place for ppl with such views, and it's a bit sad that one comes here for the warm feeling from ppl agreeing with you, when they don't get it in real life.

Let me stick the knife in - Boris Johnson is an extremely likable character no matter how much socialist's have tried to vilify him. And the best part is - no one likes socialists, not least that horrible Jeremy Corbyn. What an extremely unlikable character he is/was. And even better not only did he ensure Labour wasn't elected under his watch but his legacy is that Labour won't be elected again in my lifetime, because he showed to the world what dowdy socialist's are really like. Ha.

Okay, but where is the evidence that the policy followed by Boris Johnson and his advisers in No.10 was the right one before they made their u-turn? There has been numerous links showing other countries going down the same route as the UK eventually did but earlier is having a better outcome in terms of deaths in the population.

Johnson may be a great guy, funny and the soul of the party, but just because he has some ambition and the privilege of a prominent family it doesn't make him a good leader. You can see this by the people he has surrounded himself with to get into power. It also doesn't take a lot of time to find him showing his true colours when it comes to having to defend his record,

It is no secret the NHS is stretched, he even used it during the Brexit campaign as his team knew it resonated with the public, but it was a lie.

His party has been behind the cuts on the NHS for the last 10 years and that is why you are seeing a shortage of staff and a shortage of equipment. But they will still try to tell you that they are the right ones to tackle any crises and they are the only ones that know how to fix things, because it is never their fault. It just happens to be the heroes in the NHS's fault before they will take any responsibility.

NHS workers angered at Hancock's warning not to overuse PPE

The health secretary, Matt Hancock, has urged NHS staff not to overuse personal protective equipment, sparking criticism from doctors’ and nurses’ leaders.

“We need everyone to treat PPE like the precious resource it is,” he said on Friday. “Everyone should use the equipment they clinically need, in line with the guidelines: no more and no less.”

I can go on and on and on, but you and others would use that as an example of the "Boris bashing" from the socialists on here, without addressing the substance of what is posted.

The people I feel the saddest for are not his supporters blindly defending him and his parties actions, it is the voters that has fallen for his lies. They are the ones paying for this, not those Johnson and those he socializes with. When all is said and done it will be those in London that cannot afford the £1m homes who pays with their lives for this. But yeah, he is a great guy and screw socialists...hahaha

:rolleyes:

14-04-2020 07:34AM

Blueshoe wrote: »

UK police have lost the run of themselves

https://twitter.com/BanTheBBC/status/1249598512427347969?s=19

Doesn't say police were there for anything covid related.
The policewoman said they got a call of a disturbance, that's why they were there.
Should police not do their normal duties because of a virus?
Do you take everything on the internet at face value...............

Idbatterim · 14-04-2020 07:39AM

blinding wrote: »

The Spanish Police would have dealt with him differently. They would not put up with that for 1 second ! !:eek:

Spanish German Americans. Hed be ****ed , still the uk police would be hard line compared to him. If they have reason to suspect he had a group over andcwasnt opening door , break it down , who cares?

The UK response to Covid-19 [MOD WARNING 1ST POST]

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