The UK response to Covid-19 [MOD WARNING 1ST POST]

VinLieger · 13-04-2020 07:16PM

Aegir wrote: »

I’m sure the FG shills will soon start pointing eastwards though to deflect attention.

Its a thread about the UK response.....

VinLieger · 13-04-2020 07:19PM

Aegir wrote: »

Look away folks, nothing to see here.

https://www.thejournal.ie/covid-19-deaths-5073495-Apr2020/

So the HSE are looking into it thats good isn't it? Are the NHS or UK government looking into the reportrd massive under reporting in UK nursing homes or hospitals where people dying who havent been tested but likely had it are not being added to figures or even tested posthumously

13-04-2020 07:21PM

VinLieger wrote: »

Its a thread about the UK response.....

Aah yes. The UK response that people spend far more time analyzing than they do their own governments response. The same posters that are more worried about Tory “cutbacks” and “selling off” of the NHS than they are the scores of people forced to sleep on trolllies in Irish hospitals.

Oddly, the same posters who created the echo chambers that are the Brexit threads.

Strange.

Enzokk · 13-04-2020 07:21PM

Aegir wrote: »

Look away folks, nothing to see here.

https://www.thejournal.ie/covid-19-deaths-5073495-Apr2020/

You posted the link as I was replying. We will have to see if this is the case, but there is the Irish thread you can post on to let people know we are screwing up. Seems like it is just a attempt at distraction to deflect from us discussing the UK not including deaths in care homes in their figures.

As for the UK, Channel 4 just had it that deaths in care homes was 25% of the total in April 2019 and is currently around 41% of the total. That is quite an increase of deaths in care homes with the most vulnerable to this virus. That would be some coincidence that it was just a bad month that happen to be at the same time as the virus.

VinLieger · 13-04-2020 07:23PM

Aegir wrote: »

Aah yes. The UK response that people spend far more time analyzing than they do their own governments response. The same posters that are more worried about Tory “cutbacks” and “selling off” of the NHS than they are the scores of people forced to sleep on trolllies in Irish hospitals.

Oddly, the same posters who created the echo chambers that are the Brexit threads.

Strange.

Again uts a thread on the UK response, theres literally probably hundreds of other threads at this stage in this very forum discusing the Irish response. If you want to discuss the irish response then those threads are available for you so you could maybe stop all your whataboutery in here.

13-04-2020 07:24PM

VinLieger wrote: »

So the HSE are looking into it thats good isn't it? Are the NHS or UK government looking into the reportrd massive under reporting in UK nursing homes or hospitals where people dying who havent been tested but likely had it are not being added to figures or even tested posthumously

Yes.the ONS do it on a weekly basis.

RobMc59 · 13-04-2020 07:25PM

VinLieger wrote: »

So the HSE are looking into it thats good isn't it? Are the NHS or UK government looking into the reportrd massive under reporting in UK nursing homes or hospitals where people dying who havent been tested but likely had it are not being added to figures or even tested posthumously

The UK has said the recorded fatalities are a couple of days behind,especially over a weekend.-I heard Nicola Sturgeon and Raab saying that earlier today-this has been the same throughout Europe(I`ve no idea about the US).
Why are you implying this is unique to the UK?

Professor Moriarty · 13-04-2020 07:27PM

Aegir wrote: »

Read the article. It seems to be gathering speed.

I’m sure the FG shills will soon start pointing eastwards though to deflect attention.

And the Shinnerbots will be on to point this out.

Professor Moriarty · 13-04-2020 07:29PM

Enzokk wrote: »

You posted the link as I was replying. We will have to see if this is the case, but there is the Irish thread you can post on to let people know we are screwing up. Seems like it is just a attempt at distraction to deflect from us discussing the UK not including deaths in care homes in their figures.

As for the UK, Channel 4 just had it that deaths in care homes was 25% of the total in April 2019 and is currently around 41% of the total. That is quite an increase of deaths in care homes with the most vulnerable to this virus. That would be some coincidence that it was just a bad month that happen to be at the same time as the virus.

Am I right in saying that this means that the UK is under-reporting Covid-19 deaths by 41%?

13-04-2020 07:32PM

Professor Moriarty wrote: »

Am I right in saying that this means that the UK is under-reporting Covid-19 deaths by 41%?

The ONS figures include care homes, private homes and hospices and also include where the certifying doctor mentions that covid 19 is likely a factor.

Donald Trump · 13-04-2020 07:32PM

RobMc59 wrote: »

Apologies donald,I had heard it suggested you were shouting because you`re a loud mouthed buffoon who talks through his ring piece,but obviously that is purely anecdotal.

Lol. You don't like facts then? Just waffle from Boris and co?

What are ye up at over there now? 10k dead?

Still a long way to go before you current lot of betters can get their rocks off by matching the "sacrifices" their great ancestors made of the lower classes

Still, ya better not question them even if it's your own family that suffer or are sacrificed.

Enzokk · 13-04-2020 07:33PM

Aegir wrote: »

Aah yes. The UK response that people spend far more time analyzing than they do their own governments response. The same posters that are more worried about Tory “cutbacks” and “selling off” of the NHS than they are the scores of people forced to sleep on trolllies in Irish hospitals.

Oddly, the same posters who created the echo chambers that are the Brexit threads.

Strange.

Funny that attempts are made to divert the attention away from the UK response as soon as the criticism gets ramped up here. As for the same people posting here and the Brexit thread, funny that the same posters who has focused on the UK and their response to Brexit for the last 4 years are the same ones taking an interest in the UK response to the crises. It's almost like we have an interest in the UK?

As for those on trolley numbers in Ireland, what does that have to do with the current crises? Let's derail this thread a little and tell me what the current trolley number has to do with the coronavirus response?

Let me show some data, last year on the 17th April there was 478 people waiting for beds on trolleys. Why the 17th April 2019, well it was the Wednesday before Easter. So this year on the Wednesday before the Easter weekend we had 23 people waiting for a bed.

So please enlighten me what was your supposed point about trolley numbers and what impact you wanted to show it is having on the HSE response to the pandemic?

13-04-2020 07:33PM

Donald Trump wrote: »

Lol. You don't like facts then? Just waffle from Boris and co?

What are ye up at over there now? 10k dead?

Still a long way to go before you current lot of betters can get their rocks off by matching the "sacrifices" their great ancestors made of the lower classes

Still, ya better not question them even if it's your own family that suffer or are sacrificed.

Well done Donald. If in doubt, troll like ****.

Donald Trump · 13-04-2020 07:34PM

Aegir wrote: »

Look away folks, nothing to see here.

https://www.thejournal.ie/covid-19-deaths-5073495-Apr2020/

oh, oh oh. Another chance to deflect by Mr. Whaddabout himself

VinLieger · 13-04-2020 07:35PM

Aegir wrote: »

The ONS figures include care homes, private homes and hospices and also include where the certifying doctor mentions that covid 19 is likely a factor.

Are they included in the official total once they are reported?

13-04-2020 07:35PM

Enzokk wrote: »

Funny that attempts are made to divert the attention away from the UK response as soon as the criticism gets ramped up here. As for the same people posting here and the Brexit thread, funny that the same posters who has focused on the UK and their response to Brexit for the last 4 years are the same ones taking an interest in the UK response to the crises. It's almost like we have an interest in the UK?

As for those on trolley numbers in Ireland, what does that have to do with the current crises? Let's derail this thread a little and tell me what the current trolley number has to do with the coronavirus response?

Let me show some data, last year on the 17th April there was 478 people waiting for beds on trolleys. Why the 17th April 2019, well it was the Wednesday before Easter. So this year on the Wednesday before the Easter weekend we had 23 people waiting for a bed.

So please enlighten me what was your supposed point about trolley numbers and what impact you wanted to show it is having on the HSE response to the pandemic?

You worry about the UK as much as you like. I just find it very very odd that people who live in Ireland are more worried about the UK than they are their own country.

It’s like they have an agenda or something.

VinLieger · 13-04-2020 07:39PM

Aegir wrote: »

You worry about the UK as much as you like. I just find it very very odd that people who live in Ireland are more worried about the UK than they are their own country.

It’s like they have an agenda or something.

I have family there as do many others and the UK is our closest neighbour and our economies and cuktures are intertwined.

Im much more worried about my own country if you must know but if your looking for someone with an agenda i know of 1 poster who seems intent on stopping all discussion about the topic the thread is dedicated too.... Maybe you should talk to them?

s1ippy · 13-04-2020 07:39PM

Aegir wrote: »

You worry about the UK as much as you like. I just find it very very odd that people who live in Ireland are more worried about the UK than they are their own country.

It’s like they have an agenda or something.

I'm not more worried about them than us, but I'd be fairly worried alright because part of the island is belong to them so that impacts us. Also their numbers are pretty fuçkin high right now.

Joe_ Public · 13-04-2020 07:40PM

VinLieger wrote: »

Are they included in the official total once they are reported?

No they are not.

And ONS are not reporting every week, no updates at all past March 27. Supposedly an update tomorrow.

Whistlebower on C4 saying covid-19 suspected deaths being passed off as something else so there's another factor too.

Seth Brundle · 13-04-2020 07:45PM

Aegir wrote: »

You worry about the UK as much as you like. I just find it very very odd that people who live in Ireland are more worried about the UK than they are their own country.

It’s like they have an agenda or something.

Or maybe there’s a genuine concern for the UK given the poor leadership being shown in terms of CV-19 so far. I have friends and relations who live in NI and Britain. I have a relative working for the NHS. Of course I’m scared at the general incompetence of the UK government.
Even Jeremy Farrar, chairman of the Wellcome Trust and a member of SAGE, said this week that Britain’s death toll could surpass Italy’s and Spain’s to become the worst in Europe”. Strange that people still think that the UK’s actions so far are on a par with Ireland’s.

That’s my agenda! What's yours?

https://www.irishtimes.com/news/world/uk/uk-death-toll-s-plateau-could-last-weeks-says-scientific-adviser-1.4228004

Dave0301 · 13-04-2020 07:48PM

Aegir wrote: »

You worry about the UK as much as you like. I just find it very very odd that people who live in Ireland are more worried about the UK than they are their own country.

It’s like they have an agenda or something.

Or maybe they have an actual vested interest in the response as they have family in the UK or live there themselves?

Using your logic you shouldn't be bothering your boll*x to be on an Irish discussion forum defending the British response...yet here you are.

RobMc59 · 13-04-2020 07:49PM

VinLieger wrote: »

I have family there as do many others and the UK is our closest neighbour and our economies and cuktures are intertwined.

Im much more worried about my own country if you must know but if your looking for someone with an agenda i know of 1 poster who seems intent on stopping all discussion about the topic the thread is dedicated too.... Maybe you should talk to them?

I have family in Spain but think it would be difficult to find a British forum obsessed with the Spanish response to the virus or other Spanish matters.

theological · 13-04-2020 07:50PM

Experts divided over comparison of UK and Ireland's coronavirus records. In the Guardian.

This is experts responding to that Twitter thread posted by Elaine Doyle yesterday pointing out why it doesn't make sense to directly compare the numbers.

RasTa · 13-04-2020 07:51PM

How dare anyone question the British mentality.

Dave0301 · 13-04-2020 07:55PM

theological wrote: »

Experts divided over comparison of UK and Ireland's coronavirus records. In the Guardian.

This is experts responding to that Twitter thread posted by Elaine Doyle yesterday pointing out why it doesn't make sense to directly compare the numbers.

“Third,” she said, “[is] urbanisation versus rurality of the respective populations – 83% urban for UK, 63% for Ireland.” In other words, a greater proportion of people in the UK live in towns or cities, which may contribute to the spread of a disease.

I do think that this is a factor that will favour countries with low population densities in terms of urban populations. High density housing will contribute to the spread of it, of which the UK certainly has more of than Ireland.

VinLieger · 13-04-2020 07:56PM

RobMc59 wrote: »

I have family in Spain but think it would be difficult to find a British forum obsessed with the Spanish response to the virus or other Spanish matters.

Forum? Obsessed? There's nearly 550 odd threads in this forum dedicated to the corona virus, 1 thread is about the UK response.

BonnieSituation · 13-04-2020 07:58PM

RobMc59 wrote: »

I have family in Spain but think it would be difficult to find a British forum obsessed with the Spanish response to the virus or other Spanish matters.

There isn't a Spanish border in Ireland. Nor are we as culturally intertwined.

But you knew that.

It's also likely the British are a bit more self-absorbed than we are. I mean, just look at your reaction to any criticism.

13-04-2020 07:59PM

Joe_ Public wrote: »

No they are not.

And ONS are not reporting every week, no updates at all past March 27. Supposedly an update tomorrow.

Whistlebower on C4 saying covid-19 suspected deaths being passed off as something else so there's another factor too.

The numbers are there for all to see https://www.ons.gov.uk/peoplepopulationandcommunity/birthsdeathsandmarriages/deaths/bulletins/deathsregisteredweeklyinenglandandwalesprovisional/weekending27march2020#deaths-data

The ONS were tasked with doing this by the government so it stands to reason they are attempting to be as open and honest as possible.

It is a far far better way of doing things than having to rely on journalists to trawl through RIP.ie. Don’t you think?

13-04-2020 08:00PM

"BonnieSituation wrote: »

It's also likely the British are a bit more self-absorbed than we are.

That has to be one of the funniest comments ever made on boards.ie

BonnieSituation · 13-04-2020 08:03PM

Aegir wrote: »

That has to be one of the funniest comments ever made on boards.ie

You have a sense of humour?

Everyday's a school day.

The UK response to Covid-19 [MOD WARNING 1ST POST]

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