Is it just me or have SF vanished?

Hamsterchops · 13-04-2020 09:41AM

Easter Monday!

SF normally have their "alternative" march and commemoration today, (the day after the official 1916 commemorations), so I wonder will they have an online 'virtual' march down O'Connell Street today?

Actually, going forward after the virus has been kept under control, will SF abandon their Monday event in favour of the official event on the Sunday?

Could they be in government and still retain their unofficial Easter Monday march?

all about the mane · 13-04-2020 09:43AM

Hamsterchops wrote: »

Easter Monday!

SF normally have their "alternative" march and commemoration today, (the day after the official 1916 commemorations), so I wonder will they have an online 'virtual' march down O'Connell Street today?

Actually, going forward after the virus has been kept under control, will SF abandon their Monday event in favour of the official event on the Sunday?

Could they be in government and still retain their unofficial Easter Monday march?

why do they have the alternative march?

13-04-2020 09:44AM

jimmycrackcorm wrote: »

But I did... It sounds so dreamy. Obviously costed as can usually be expected.

It's almost as if the brothers Grimm wrote the policy document. How does Cluid housing work when it gets tenants like Sinn Feins own Violet Anne Wynn? Apparently the argument is that private housing doesn't provide an asset at the end . But SF won't end that - there's no way they will stop council tenants buying out our public housing.

234k per house is what is quoted on what you have linked - so how many houses will the extra 6.5bn provide. Not 100k houses for sure.

They wouldn't be tenants. It's an asset-transfer. The state gives away an asset (land) for free and doesn't seek rates (taxes) on the development.

Opens the issue of when should the State give away assets for free though. Housing is essential, but so are things like water, broadband etc. How far should the State be able to go in divesting itself of assets?

The broader point of how the State should deal with tenants who don't pay rent was asked a day ago, still waiting for an answer on it. As pointed out, DCC alone is owned 33 million euro in backrent.
https://www.thejournal.ie/dublin-city-council-5-4956180-Jan2020/

Interesting that Lorcan Sirr also calls for tax equalisation between small landlords and big landlords. As big landlords pay less taxes than small ones, bringing small landlords into line with them would have the effect of reducing the tax take.

Whatever else they are, neither O'Cualann or tax relief for small landlords are left wing policies.

Hamsterchops · 13-04-2020 09:57AM

all about the mane wrote: »

why do they have the alternative march?

I have no idea why, do you?

smurgen · 13-04-2020 10:16AM

all about the mane wrote: »

why do they have the alternative march?

Why does Lieo have an alternative flag for Easter?What has the U.N got to do with Easter?

https://twitter.com/LeoVaradkar/status/1249278839466983424?s=19

all about the mane · 13-04-2020 10:18AM

smurgen wrote: »

Why does Lieo have an alternative flag for Easter?What has the U.N got to do with Easter?

https://twitter.com/LeoVaradkar/status/1249278839466983424?s=19

you just answered your own question. now how about answering the original one?

all about the mane · 13-04-2020 10:18AM

Hamsterchops wrote: »

I have no idea why, do you?

nope

Hamsterchops · 13-04-2020 10:19AM

But why traditionally do SF have an alternative march on Easter Monday. Any takers?

all about the mane · 13-04-2020 10:20AM

Hamsterchops wrote: »

But why traditionally do SF have an alternative march in Easter Monday. Any takers?

must be a pretty poor reason considering how touchy smurgen is about it

Sultan_of_Ping · 13-04-2020 10:25AM

smurgen wrote: »

Why does Lieo have an alternative flag for Easter?What has the U.N got to do with Easter?

https://twitter.com/LeoVaradkar/status/1249278839466983424?s=19

Because Óglaigh na hÉireann have been engaged in humanitarian and peacekeeping missions as part of our UN commitment for longer than any other military in the world.

No harm in recognising their professionalism and commitment at a time and place critical in their and our history.

Jinglejangle69 · 13-04-2020 10:27AM

smurgen wrote: »

Why does Lieo have an alternative flag for Easter?What has the U.N got to do with Easter?

https://twitter.com/LeoVaradkar/status/1249278839466983424?s=19

Oh dear.

Pat yourself on the back there.

smurgen · 13-04-2020 10:28AM

Sultan_of_Ping wrote: »

Because Óglaigh na hÉireann have been engaged in humanitarian and peacekeeping missions as part of our UN commitment for longer than any other military in the world.

No harm in recognising their professionalism and commitment at a time and place critical in their and our history.

Not in dispute. But wouldn't December 14th be more appropriate for celebrating this? They had nothing to do with Easter in Ireland.

Jinglejangle69 · 13-04-2020 10:31AM

Yurt! wrote: »

You obviously didn't read the policy document or listen to the linked item from Morning Ireland

The vast majority of builds are intended to be affordable purchase under the Cluid model. Another significant portion will be affordable rental, and the minority of units social housing as we now know it.

So yes, you're spouting complete political guff.

Did we ever get an answer from Mary Lou who would build these homes other than tradespeople will come home from Australia and NZ when they see their country needs them!!!

Oh and the other nugget she came up with was we stop building hotels and tell builders they have to build social housing because she said so!!!!

Ah lads come on, let's be realistic here...

Sultan_of_Ping · 13-04-2020 10:32AM

smurgen wrote: »

Not in dispute. But wouldn't December 14th be more appropriate for celebrating this? They had nothing to do with Easter in Ireland.

Neither did the Dutch and yet we've tulips in the photo too

To be honest, the reason the UN flag was hoisted had to do with something SF will never understand.......us being an outward looking country. Why not share the moment with the wider world?

And yes, there probably was a political dimension to it, given the upcoming vote on our SC membership.

But really, when it comes to the politicisation of symbols, dates, "flegs" and even language, SF really have no ground to stand on when it comes to questioning others.

smurgen · 13-04-2020 10:32AM

Jinglejangle69 wrote: »

Oh dear.

Pat yourself on the back there.

Well if you lads want to take digs we can engage in that. I've no problem. I'm curious however at to why is Leo the liar making a song and dance about the U.N flag when the Tricolour is one of main ceremonial symbols during the Easter celebrations and has been since 1916?

Busterie · 13-04-2020 10:33AM

SF are back complaining about the British army helping in the battle against Covid-19.Maybe Michelle O'Neill should spend her time doing what she does best, doing her hair and make up.

all about the mane · 13-04-2020 10:33AM

smurgen wrote: »

Well if you lads want to take digs we can engage in that. I've no problem. I'm curious however at to why is Leo the liar making a song and dance about the U.N flag when the Tricolour is one of main ceremonial symbols during the Easter celebrations and has been since 1916?

What day in 1916?

all about the mane · 13-04-2020 10:34AM

Busterie wrote: »

SF are back complaining about the British army helping in the battle against Covid-19.Maybe Michelle O'Neill should spend her time doing what she does best, doing her hair and make up.

Thats what she does best...:eek:

smurgen · 13-04-2020 10:35AM

all about the mane wrote: »

must be a pretty poor reason considering how touchy smurgen is about it

Do you ever post anything of substance. I notice you as some sort of self appointed ref between posters? If you're not getting paid to do this it's some truly bizarre behaviour.

13-04-2020 10:36AM

Jinglejangle69 wrote: »

Did we ever get an answer from Mary Lou who would build these homes other than tradespeople will come home from Australia and NZ when they see their country needs them!!!

Oh and the other nugget she came up with was we stop building hotels and tell builders they have to build social housing because she said so!!!!

Ah lads come on, let's be realistic here...

Serious bang of snobbery off ladz here....every factory line is full of tradesmen aswell

I know literally dozens lada qualified,who are working in factories,driving trucks,working at milking cows etc etc,whether these wpuld return to building is another qs....

.i seriously wonder do people posting here,ever meet anyone outside their office.....theres rake of tradesmen who never set foot in oz/nz as many again have returned....people are returning from canada in their droves (serious pinch coming on rental properties in next few months there too)

As for stopping people building x....just introduce tax breaks/penalties for drive building towards targeted areas

smurgen · 13-04-2020 10:37AM

Sultan_of_Ping wrote: »

Neither did the Dutch and yet we've tulips in the photo too

To be honest, the reason the UN flag was hoisted had to do with something SF will never understand.......us being an outward looking country. Why not share the moment with the wider world?

And yes, there probably was a political dimension to it, given the upcoming vote on our SC membership.

But really, when it comes to the politicisation of symbols, dates, "flegs" and even language, SF really have no ground to stand on when it comes to questioning others.

Let me get this straight, are you saying Sinn Fein are only insular and have no international links?

piplip87 · 13-04-2020 10:37AM

Hamsterchops wrote: »

But why traditionally do SF have an alternative march on Easter Monday. Any takers?

Because SF honour more than those killed during 1916-1923.

Alot if their Easter commerations locally take place at gravesides of fallen Provos.

I'm friends with a Pro of a SF cumman and she had up that she took a walk to the Cavan Monument for 1916 to lay some Lillie's for all those who died in Ireland's fight for freedom from 1798-1998

Jinglejangle69 · 13-04-2020 10:38AM

[Deleted User] wrote: »

Serious bang of snobbery off ladz here....every factory line is full of tradesmen aswell

I know literally dozens lada qualified,who are working in factories,driving trucks,working at milking cows etc etc,whether these wpuld return to building is another qs....

.i seriously wonder do people posting here,ever meet anyone outside their office.....theres rake of tradesmen who never set foot in oz/nz as many again have returned....people are returning from canada in their droves (serious pinch coming on rental properties in next few months there too)

As for stopping people building x....just introduce tax breaks/penalties for drive building towards targeted areas

I am self employed in the trade business.

Every day I get calls from people looking for sparks, plumbers, fitters etc.

They can't be found.

You Sir are lying.

Every factory line is full of tradespeople?

Milking cows????????

Can I even ask for some small but of evidence?

all about the mane · 13-04-2020 10:40AM

smurgen wrote: »

Do you ever post anything of substance. I notice you as some sort of self appointed ref between posters? If you're not getting paid to do this it's some truly bizarre behaviour.

yes I'm getting paid to do this...jesus wept...

13-04-2020 10:41AM

Jinglejangle69 wrote: »

I am self employed in the plumbing business.

Every day I get calls from people looking for sparks, plumbers, fitters etc.

They can't be found.

You Sir are lying.

I am not.....i know dozens of lads working in factories etc,pay enough and you'll soon find em

Well out where i is anyway....but i know several civils companies who cant get staff to work in dublin alright and no longer price for jobs there....lads wont travel to work there,becuase its a sh1thole

Hamsterchops · 13-04-2020 10:42AM

piplip87 wrote: »

Because SF honour more than those killed during 1916-1923.

Alot if their Easter commerations locally take place at gravesides of fallen Provos.

I'm friends with a Pro of a SF cumman and she had up that she took a walk to the Cavan Monument for 1916 to lay some Lillie's for all those who died in Ireland's fight for freedom from 1798-1998

Fallen Provos, right :cool:

Which leads me to the 2nd part of my question. If SF get into government can they continue to have their Easter Monday march (in commemoration of the Provos)?

Phoebas · 13-04-2020 10:42AM

smurgen wrote: »

Why does Lieo have ...

smurgen wrote: »

Do you ever post anything of substance.

Have you no self awareness!

Jinglejangle69 · 13-04-2020 10:42AM

[Deleted User] wrote: »

I am not.....i know dozens of lads working in factories etc,pay enough and you'll soon find em

Well out where i is anyway....but i know several civils companies who cant get staff to work in dublin alright and no longer price for jobs there....lads wont travel to work there,becuase its a sh1thole

Oh so Dublin is a ****hole now and that's the reason a lad won't work?????

Back to bed for you.

You SF lads are something else.

Sultan_of_Ping · 13-04-2020 10:44AM

smurgen wrote: »

Let me get this straight, are you saying Sinn Fein are only insular and have no international links?

No, I'm saying they are not globalist in their outlook.

Just because they take money from all sorts, and fetishise failed parties and failed countries around the world, and have historically courted despots and dictators, it doesn't make them internationalist

They're Europhilia is only very recently acquired, they're hardly continentalist or Atlanticist, let alone internationalist.

They're opportunists.

13-04-2020 10:44AM

Hamsterchops wrote: »

Fallen Provos, right :cool:

Which leads me to the 2nd part of my question. If SF get into government can they continue to have their Easter Monday march (in commemoration of the Provos)?

When or where have SF ever held an easter monday march....you and i both know this hasnt occured....your blowing smoke,where theres no fire mate

Is it just me or have SF vanished?

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