Covid19 Part XV - 15,251 in ROI (610 deaths) 2,645 in NI (194 deaths) (19/04) Read OP

bunderoon · 13-04-2020 12:41AM

What I cant understand but not surprised at the amount of people that think that when we get one or two days figures that are below the previous day or two, that somehow we are at the top of the curve. They dont realise that besides that german tests, we dont know how slow or fast this ocean liner is turning until we have 1-2 weeks of change (in the same direction.....)

Mervyn Skidmore · 13-04-2020 12:42AM

Another "essential" public servant here. Just to let everyone know, my agency is operating a more limited service but we're open to the public every day and we're trying our very best to provide almost a full service. We're social distancing as best we can, lots of signs etc. Anyway, as usual we're still getting abuse, some things never change.

MipMap · 13-04-2020 12:42AM

Wolf359f wrote: »

The government here can control our economy, of course the rest of the world/every country economy is in for a **** storm.
Local businesses, hiring local people, selling local things etc... Are less affected to the worldwide economy than a large exporter depending on a certain country/industry for exporting.

You are right but we are always being told that we have an open economy, reliant on trade with the rest of the world.

If the exporters cannot export then their employers cannot pay them.
Unemployment sours and people cut back on what they buy from local businesses so they fold too.

This happened in 2008.

Micky 32 · 13-04-2020 12:43AM

bunderoon wrote: »

What I cant understand but not surprised at the amount of people that think that when we get one or two days figures that are below the previous day or two, that somehow we are at the top of the curve. They dont realise that besides that german tests, we dont know how slow or fast this ocean liner is turning until we have 1-2 weeks of change (in the same direction.....)

Either way people should be grateful that today only half the people died from the previous day.

Wolf359f · 13-04-2020 12:44AM

bunderoon wrote: »

What I cant understand but not surprised at the amount of people that think that when we get one or two days figures that are below the previous day or two, that somehow we are at the top of the curve. They dont realise that besides that german tests, we dont know how slow or fast this ocean liner is turning until we have 1-2 weeks of change (in the same direction.....)

Most people are looking at the hospitalized and ICU
Capacity as a guide. Both are on an downward trend, % wise. The new case figures depend on testing capacity and how old a certain test was taken

Micky 32 · 13-04-2020 12:45AM

Wolf359f wrote: »

Most people are looking at the hospitalized and ICU
Capacity as a guide. Both are on an downward trend, % wise. The new case figures depend on testing capacity and how old a certain test was taken

Exactly but it falls on deaf ears.

10000maniacs · 13-04-2020 12:46AM

smelly sock wrote: »

Less deaths. 14. Less cases also.

The Easter skew.

Wolf359f · 13-04-2020 12:49AM

MipMap wrote: »

You are right but we are always being told that we have an open economy, reliant on trade with the rest of the world.

If the exporters cannot export then their employers cannot pay them.
Unemployment sours and people cut back on what they buy from local businesses so they fold too.

This happened in 2008.

Thats true. But if we never had a case or death and we're Corona free, we do export a lot, if those countrys are in lockdown and not buying, then despite everything here being normal, companies would still suffer.
So if the whole world is in lockdown, there's not much benefit for us at the moment to want to come out of it prematurely. I just think for some businesses that sell within Ireland, they would be eager to reopen ASAP

MipMap · 13-04-2020 12:53AM

Wolf359f wrote: »

Thats true. But if we never had a case or death and we're Corona free, we do export a lot, if those countrys are in lockdown and not buying, then despite everything here being normal, companies would still suffer.
So if the whole world is in lockdown, there's not much benefit for us at the moment to want to come out of it prematurely. I just think for some businesses that sell within Ireland, they would be eager to reopen ASAP

Nobody disagrees that we have to get back to normal life. The only thing people seem to disagree with is the timing.

Maestro85 · 13-04-2020 12:54AM

Wolf359f wrote: »

Thats true. But if we never had a case or death and we're Corona free, we do export a lot, if those countrys are in lockdown and not buying, then despite everything here being normal, companies would still suffer.
So if the whole world is in lockdown, there's not much benefit for us at the moment to want to come out of it prematurely. I just think for some businesses that sell within Ireland, they would be eager to reopen ASAP

It's all very intricate and I am no expert but everything is connected in some shape or way so there will be a fair bit of pain ahead. Tourism, hospitality will take a huge hit and as an offshoot all the various different elements such as supply and demand of products, good and services will have a know on effect in other areas. By May I hope we are in a position to restart the domestic economy and let exports, tourism and gradually adjust/restart in a slower but positive pace. So many unknowns though.

eagle eye · 13-04-2020 12:55AM

smelly sock wrote:

Absolutely not. Lockdown isnt going to be sustainable. A different approach will be needed asap. We need to get people focusing on that now.

No, we need to stay locked down until we have control of this thing. Otherwise it's going to be way worse than it has been already.
Greed and stupidity are the things standing in our way.
Lives are much more important than money or people being free to go where they like.

Kermit.de.frog · 13-04-2020 12:55AM

China reports 108 new cases of coronavirus and 2 new deaths.

It's their highest number of reported new cases since March 6th.

Wolf359f · 13-04-2020 01:01AM

MipMap wrote: »

Nobody disagrees that we have to get back to normal life. The only thing people seem to disagree with is the timing.

I think nothing is going to be changed until the hospital and ICU capacity can take it. Then the question is what opens first etc...
Also what precautions are taken (fast testing, contact tracing, I'd also like to see masks being worn, obviously social distancing has to stay)
The other issue the public have to be made aware of is, if people get lazy and cases and ICU capacity increase too much, it's back to a lockdown. I think the government are now putting out the warnings about a second wave to make people aware of what is ahead

freshpopcorn · 13-04-2020 01:02AM

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MipMap · 13-04-2020 01:05AM

Here's a thing.
A guy was turned back by the Guards for driving from Kerry to Limerick to buy a Trampoline. This was BAD.

The folks beside me bought a trampoline online and had it delivered.
This was OK.
In the first case the guy was going to drive to a shop. Pay for it. Put in his car and go home.

In the second case it was going to be packed in the shop. Collected by a delivery guy.
Brought to a distribution center. Loaded to another van. Another Guy would deliver it to a hub etc. etc.

I'm not criticizing the rules. They are being made on the fly. This is what happens when you do things by the seat of your pants.

Micky 32 · 13-04-2020 01:06AM

freshpopcorn wrote: »

Someone i know in his 70’s used one of those phones up until last month. Still works perfectly :-)

MrMusician18 · 13-04-2020 01:07AM

smelly sock wrote: »

Hang on pal. My brother is frontline too. Ive had plenty of bad experiences in irish hospitals with both nurses and doctors. The people like myself who stay at home and watch Netflix will save thousamds of lives directly.

My mother was left in her own excrement for 3 hours while 5 nurses were at the station drinking tea. I had to ask 6 times for her to be looked after and the attitude was appalling. I really hope those people dont work in the hospitals anymore.

I fully respect the hard workers putting the hours in to look after the poorly but the system is ****e for mulitple reasons. Not just over admin or governance issue but frontline problems too

Covid 19 hasnt changed the fact the health service is shocking.

There is a tendency to lionise the entire front line which I think can be somewhat misplaced at times.

Covid gets all the headlines now, but to be honest, patients present with similarly life threatening conditions all the time - and are often not that well treated by the frontline. I wouldn't have believed it until my wife suddenly presented with a potential life threatening condition (she could've taken a turn at any point) and was left waiting 9 hours in A and E for the necessary medication. This was after being triaged as an emergency. Yes it was full and busy that night, but there was still time for the nurses to chat about the new years party the week before.

We also witnessed some appalling behaviour that night, but one incident that stood out was a doctor who chose to undermine a nurse in front of us all. It was completely unprofessional.

It might be unpopular now to say this but there are problems throughout the health service and the frontline is no exception.

Kermit.de.frog · 13-04-2020 01:08AM

Meanwhile in Russia (which sent shoddy equipment to Italy for propaganda purposes)

The Kremlin said on Saturday a “huge influx” of coronavirus patients was beginning to put a strain on hospitals in Moscow as Russia’s death toll rose to more than 100, Reuters reports.

Moscow and many other regions have been in lockdown for nearly two weeks to stem the contagion, but hospitals in the capital are still being pushed to their limit, officials said.

On Saturday, a Reuters witness saw a tailback of dozens of ambulances queuing outside a hospital handling coronavirus cases in the region immediately outside Moscow, waiting to drop off patients.

One ambulance driver said he had been waiting 15 hours outside the hospital to drop off a patient suspected of having the virus.

“The situation in both Moscow and St. Petersburg, but mostly in Moscow, is quite tense because the number of sick people is growing,” Kremlin Spokesman Dmitry Peskov said in an interview on state television, Russian news agencies reported.

“There is a huge influx of patients. We are seeing hospitals in Moscow working extremely intensely, in heroic, emergency mode.”

Russia’s coronavirus crisis response centre said hospitals were taking all possible measures to ensure rapid admissions and that cases of ambulances needing to wait hours to drop off patients was not a systemic issue.

https://www.theguardian.com/world/live/2020/apr/13/coronavirus-live-news-global-cases-italy-new-york-death-tolls-slow-latest-updates

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The virus doesn't come for Putin, Putin comes for the virus.

Wolf359f · 13-04-2020 01:09AM

freshpopcorn wrote: »

I always think, what if it was WWII and like London and the blitz, we had to have blackout blinds at night.
Just takes one person to open the blind or have a nighttime BBQ for a bomber to see the light and flatten the town.
One person's action affects many!

owlbethere · 13-04-2020 01:11AM

freshpopcorn wrote: »

That's brilliant.

cameramonkey · 13-04-2020 01:11AM

Kermit.de.frog wrote: »

China reports 108 new cases of coronavirus and 2 new deaths.

It's their highest number of reported new cases since March 6th.

Do you believe them?

Quantum Erasure · 13-04-2020 01:12AM

Micky 32 wrote: »

Exactly but it falls on deaf ears.

what's this now?

Wolf359f · 13-04-2020 01:12AM

Micky 32 wrote: »

Someone i know in his 70’s used one of those phones up until last month. Still works perfectly :-)

These days a phone may be seized as it contains material evidence, back then it was seized as it could be a murder weapon!

Kermit.de.frog · 13-04-2020 01:13AM

cameramonkey wrote: »

Do you believe them?

"reported" new cases

No, of course I don't believe them.

cameramonkey · 13-04-2020 01:14AM

Kermit.de.frog wrote: »

"reported" new cases

No, of course I don't believe them.

So you think they have none?

Wolf359f · 13-04-2020 01:15AM

Kermit.de.frog wrote: »

Meanwhile in Russia (which sent shoddy equipment to Italy for propaganda purposes)

https://www.theguardian.com/world/live/2020/apr/13/coronavirus-live-news-global-cases-italy-new-york-death-tolls-slow-latest-updates

The virus doesn't come for Putin, Putin comes for the virus.

Someone earlier posted a link to a video with over 40 ambulances waiting outside a hospital in Moscow. With one driver saying he was waiting over 15hrs to deliver a patient. Bloody heartbreaking

Jenbach110 · 13-04-2020 01:16AM

Wolf359f wrote: »

I always think, what if it was WWII and like London and the blitz, we had to have blackout blinds at night.
Just takes one person to open the blind or have a nighttime BBQ for a bomber to see the light and flatten the town.
One person's action affects many!

Absolutely no way would a Folkewolfe pilot have spotted someone who had opened a blind on Shepards bush

Wolf359f · 13-04-2020 01:18AM

Jenbach110 wrote: »

Absolutely no way would a Folkewolfe pilot have spotted someone who had opened a blind on Shepards bush

Maybe, but he would have spotted the DJ with the strobe light and the tacky 80's music at the street party!

Jenbach110 · 13-04-2020 01:20AM

Wolf359f wrote: »

Maybe, but he would have spotted the DJ with the strobe light and the tacky 80's music at the street party!

Spitfire incomming

Quantum Erasure · 13-04-2020 01:21AM

Jenbach110 wrote: »

Spitfire incomming

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=bSNyTxIVxa8

Covid19 Part XV - 15,251 in ROI (610 deaths) 2,645 in NI (194 deaths) (19/04) Read OP

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