Covid19 Part XV - 15,251 in ROI (610 deaths) 2,645 in NI (194 deaths) (19/04) Read OP

Ace2007 · 13-04-2020 12:04AM

wakka12 wrote: »

That is ridiculous because COVID wasnt even here in January, so I have no idea why you would combine the total number of people who typically die within the months of January, February and March when COVID was only here for one of the three months. Surely you would just compare the 334 figure to the number who typically die in March, and in that case a pretty sizeable number of Irish people have died from this new virus in this given timeframe and it has caused a significant increase in national mortality rates over that period

You don't actually know this, like it could have been here, but because it wasn't given a name, a doctor for instance might have just given you steroids or treated you for pneumonia.

Jeff2 · 13-04-2020 12:04AM

Probably been asked before but can you get the virus from having sex.....

With a unwashed hand.

Kermit.de.frog · 13-04-2020 12:04AM

V8 Interceptor wrote: »

The graph itself was fine but it was used to suggest the USA was riddled because of the confirmed cases they had. I said that's because they've tested more than most and you said a load of other Countries tested more than the US. But that was per capita and because they were considerably smaller Countries it made the original point balderdash!

Oh dear.

How do you think countries are compared to each other?

It's done on a per capita basis for obvious reasons.

You want to dispute that, do you?

wakka12 · 13-04-2020 12:04AM

Jenbach110 wrote: »

The most at risk category (over 65) in the UK is more populated than ours.

Would be the equivalent of about 500 deaths here if one adjusts the figure's in the at risk category

It is not directly translatable like that. Otherwise New York with it's average age of 32.8 years, much younger than every single member of the EU, would have a significantly lower number of deaths when it has the highest in the world per capita

tobefrank321 · 13-04-2020 12:05AM

cloudatlas wrote: »

How many times.... WHO says closing boarders at this stage does not matter! Virus already very much present in Ireland, very much so, worry about that.

Ridiculous comment. Every imported case causes extra problems that we don't need. When you are fighting a fire the last thing you need is new fires and fuel on the fire.

Had the Irish government listened to those who said close down travel to hotspots early we'd be in a much better spot and might actually have been able to ease restrictions internally.

And quoting the WHO on borders? Seriously? The reason cv19 went from 1 case in China to infect almost every country in the world was a failure to ground flights in and out of hotspots quickly. Had that been done many countries would not have had to close down.

Its obvious the WHO are lackies of China and did their bidding.

Nonoperational · 13-04-2020 12:05AM

DevilsHaircut wrote: »

One of the few of us who is actually doing something useful!

fallen01angel wrote: »

I am thrilled to hear this really good news. Thank you for all you do and that your recovery is going well!!!!

Stheno wrote: »

Continued best wishes for you.

It's interesting to hear you say how mild your symptoms are. Did you even have a temperature?

Thanks again

No, but my wife who is also positive has a constant temp of 37.8. I feel persistently under the weather. Like i had a big drinking session but I haven't had a drink in 2 weeks. I have completely lost my sense of smell.

Yeah I feel lucky, have a big shop coming Tuesday with some treats and then one more week or so and hopefully it'll be behind me.

I must say I'd be one of the most cynical ******* out there but the support of healthcare and other front line workers has been heartening and indeed the general way the Irish people have conducted themselves. It's easy to take a negative view, but even in my neighbourhood the offers of shopping, the lights in the windows, the keeping to themselves, its a real reminder that at heart we are decent people. From the start I've maintained that all front line workers are equally as important in keeping us going through this. The Lidl checkout worker is as important as the infectious disease professor and that is a genuine sentiment. We have a ****ty few months ahead but hopefully we can get through it stronger.

V8 Interceptor · 13-04-2020 12:06AM

I have cried for Italy, I have cried for Spain, I have cried for America, I have cried for Ireland... How does someone switch off from this and the news?

You're doing a hell of a lot of crying Mam. That is not normal nor is it right. Where are your friends? You're clearly in need of assistance.

smelly sock · 13-04-2020 12:07AM

Imho as every day passes the lockdown seems to be overly severe and draconian.

I cant see the benefit to anyone but a few of extending it like the Tshock did. It smacks of them not knowing what to do next.

Some of the dooms day preppers on here are hard at the thought of the economy and peoples lives going to ****e.

This needs to be lifted and restrictions phased down.

Its absolutely and over reaction to something which affects a tiny number of people in reality yet the measure imposed are indirectly destroying peoples lives.

#liftthelockdown

V8 Interceptor · 13-04-2020 12:09AM

tobefrank321 wrote: »

And quoting the WHO on borders? Seriously? The reason cv19 went from 1 case in China to infect almost every country in the world was a failure to ground flights in and out of hotspots quickly. Had that been done many countries would not have had to close down.

The WHO didn't recommend the one thing which would've halted the spread.

It doesn't matter if Conor McGregor is the Devil incarnate himself. He's right about closing your borders when a pandemic breaks out. FFS its not that hard to figure out.

declanflynn · 13-04-2020 12:09AM

Jenbach110 wrote: »

The most at risk category (over 65) in the UK is more populated than ours.

Would be the equivalent of about 500 deaths here if one adjusts the figure's in the at risk category

you have over adjusted by my calculations, based on population numbers for 2019 the equivalent is 780, so more than double

Dozyart · 13-04-2020 12:10AM

smelly sock wrote: »

Imho as every day passes the lockdown seems to be overly severe and draconian.

I cant see the benefit to anyone but a few of extending it like the Tshock did. It smacks of them not knowing what to do next.

Some of the dooms day preppers on here are hard at the thought of the economy and peoples lives going to ****e.

This needs to be lifted and restrictions phased down.

Its absolutely and over reaction to something which affects a tiny number of people in reality yet the measure imposed are indirectly destroying peoples lives.

#liftthelockdown

Dont be a bellend ffs

froog · 13-04-2020 12:10AM

smelly sock wrote: »

Imho as every day passes the lockdown seems to be overly severe and draconian.

I cant see the benefit to anyone but a few of extending it like the Tshock did. It smacks of them not knowing what to do next.

Some of the dooms day preppers on here are hard at the thought of the economy and peoples lives going to ****e.

This needs to be lifted and restrictions phased down.

Its absolutely and over reaction to something which affects a tiny number of people in reality yet the measure imposed are indirectly destroying peoples lives.

#liftthelockdown

there's thousands of people dying every day. and that's with the entire world almost completely shut down.

Kermit.de.frog · 13-04-2020 12:10AM

smelly sock wrote: »

#liftthelockdown

#no

Ace2007 · 13-04-2020 12:10AM

V8 Interceptor wrote: »

You're doing a hell of a lot of crying Mam. That is not normal nor is it right. Where are your friends? You're clearly in need of assistance.

Why don't you pick up the phone and call your mam, instead of replying on boards

MipMap · 13-04-2020 12:11AM

joe_99 wrote: »

Just remember there have been 9k deaths in Ireland since this began in January. 334 relate to Covid 19. It is a terrible situation we are in but people will continue to die for all sorts of reasons. It is the most fundamental part of life.

wakka12 wrote: »

That is ridiculous because COVID wasnt even here in January, so I have no idea why you would combine the total number of people who typically die within the months of January, February and March when COVID was only here for one of the three months. Surely you would just compare the 334 figure to the number who typically die in March, and in that case a pretty sizeable number of Irish people have died from this new virus in this given timeframe and it has caused a significant increase in national mortality rates over that period

6.5 deaths per 1,000 = 32,500 per annum for a population of 5million
= average of 2,708 per month
= 8,125 for three months

Joe99 is pretty much on the spot there!

Ace2007 · 13-04-2020 12:11AM

froog wrote: »

there's thousands of people dying every day. and that's with the entire world almost completely shut down.

Are ICU Beds over flowing on a daily basis?

smelly sock · 13-04-2020 12:12AM

froog wrote: »

there's thousands of people dying every day. and that's with the entire world almost completely shut down.

My point is if the country enters into a another downturn it will cause more damage to families and codt more lives than covid.

V8 Interceptor · 13-04-2020 12:12AM

Kermit.de.frog wrote: »

Oh dear. How do you think countries are compared to each other? It's done on a per capita basis for obvious reasons.
You want to dispute that, do you?

You've forgotten the graph you put up. It was in total numbers, not per capita.

Which was why your subsequent point re the other Countries was redundant because you did those per capita and not the original, the USA, who you did in total numbers.

DebDynamite · 13-04-2020 12:12AM

tobefrank321 wrote: »

Ridiculous comment. Every imoorted case causes extra problems that we don't need. When you are fighting a fire the last thing you need is new fires and fuel on the fire.

Had the Irish government listened to those who said close down travel to hotspots early we'd be in a much better spot and might actually have been able to ease restrictions internally.

And quoting the WHO on borders? Seriously? The reason cv19 went from 1 case in China to infect almost every country in the world was a failure to ground flights in and out of hotspots quickly. Had that been done many countries would not have had to close down.

Its obvious the WHO are lackies of China and did their bidding.

I don’t understand the reluctance of people for us to close out borders. It’s bizarre. Obviously we wouldn’t be denying entry for Irish citizens, but there should be forced quarantine upon arrival. Our hotels are empty, and if the numbers are as low as people say they are, there shouldn’t be a capacity issue. The state could cover the cost for Irish citizens, but non Irish should cover their own cost. Obviously there will be essential workers coming into the country - both Irish and non Irish, and we could make exceptions for these people once they should their relevant papers/letters.

Stheno · 13-04-2020 12:13AM

Nonoperational wrote: »

No, but my wife who is also positive has a constant temp of 37.8. I feel persistently under the weather. Like i had a big drinking session but I haven't had a drink in 2 weeks. I have completely lost my sense of smell.

Yeah I feel lucky, have a big shop coming Tuesday with some treats and then one more week or so and hopefully it'll be behind me.

I must say I'd be one of the most cynical ******* out there but the support of healthcare and other front line workers has been heartening and indeed the general way the Irish people have conducted themselves. It's easy to take a negative view, but even in my neighbourhood the offers of shopping, the lights in the windows, the keeping to themselves, its a real reminder that at heart we are decent people. From the start I've maintained that all front line workers are equally as important in keeping us going through this. The Lidl checkout worker is as important as the infectious disease professor and that is a genuine sentiment. We have a ****ty few months ahead but hopefully we can get through it stronger.

Thanks

Hopefully we get to a stage of testing where we can test the true level in the community be that antibodies or whatever

I dont know how frontline workers are keeping going tbh

All my neighbours are 70 plus and cocooning and when this started we gave a few our numbers and they were fierce reluctant to ask for anything

Now next door will shout when they need a litre of milk, petrol for the lawnmower or whatever

Its nice

V8 Interceptor · 13-04-2020 12:14AM

Ace2007 wrote: »

Why don't you pick up the phone and call your mam, instead of replying on boards

I meant no disrespect to Away with the Fairies who's clearly in considerable grief. Hopefully she has friends or family she'll reach out to who might be able to cheer her up.

froog · 13-04-2020 12:17AM

Ace2007 wrote: »

Are ICU Beds over flowing on a daily basis?

i suggest you google "triage and italy".

Tandey · 13-04-2020 12:17AM

smelly sock wrote: »

My point is if the country enters into a another downturn it will cause more damage to families and codt more lives than covid.

Clearly you’ve not heard of the saying that your health is your wealth.

anewme · 13-04-2020 12:18AM

V8 Interceptor wrote: »

I meant no disrespect to Away with the Fairies who's clearly in considerable grief. Hopefully she has friends or family she'll reach out to who might be able to cheer her up.

It read very disrespectful and patronising to that poster.

And did you mean no disrespect to the people with relatives in nursing homes by saying they could not give a toss if they got it it or not?

Dont project your own negativity onto others.

smelly sock · 13-04-2020 12:18AM

Tandey wrote: »

Clearly you’ve not heard of the saying that your health is your wealth.

Wow. Practical.

smelly sock · 13-04-2020 12:18AM

froog wrote: »

i suggest you google "triage and italy".

Google triage and Ireland.

V8 Interceptor · 13-04-2020 12:18AM

DebDynamite wrote: »

I don’t understand the reluctance of people for us to close out borders. It’s bizarre.

Don't underestimate the power of the "Open Borders" mindset. They'd willingly invite a killer virus in to uphold a political notion. Just like Simon A and Simon B did when they admitted as much before we even had a single confirmed case here in Ireland.

Tandey · 13-04-2020 12:18AM

smelly sock wrote: »

Wow. Practical.

And logical.

froog · 13-04-2020 12:19AM

smelly sock wrote: »

My point is if the country enters into a another downturn it will cause more damage to families and codt more lives than covid.

really? how many deaths do you reckon?

i've seen this bandied about quite a bit but no one seems to have any actual figures. if your basis for relaxing a lockdown is to avoid recession related deaths you better be pretty damn sure of the maths.

smelly sock · 13-04-2020 12:21AM

Tandey wrote: »

And logical.

So people cant afford healthcare, food ,fuel amd bills.

80 per cent will have mild symptoms. Lets wisen up here. The restrictions should be eased.

Ye very logical.

Covid19 Part XV - 15,251 in ROI (610 deaths) 2,645 in NI (194 deaths) (19/04) Read OP

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