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Covid19 Part XV - 15,251 in ROI (610 deaths) 2,645 in NI (194 deaths) (19/04) Read OP

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  • #1712
    easypazz
    Closed Accounts Posts: 2,346 ✭✭✭easypazz


    rosiem wrote: »
    To be fair one of them should have explained the running joke that she refers to her husband as the painter/gardener but I think you are overly offended by a LLS segment. I found Amy discussing her worries having her Dad in a nursing home very interesting she also tried to keep positive and upbeat which I think most people appreciate.

    I didn't see it but I didn't need it explained to me that the gardener wasn't really in the hall at 10pm on a Friday night.


  • #1713
    lawred2
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 25,106 ✭✭✭✭lawred2


    easypazz wrote: »
    I didn't see it but I didn't need it explained to me that the gardener wasn't really in the hall at 10pm on a Friday night.

    it wasn't live - all of those are prerecorded segments


  • #1714
    bekker
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 912 ✭✭✭bekker


    Strumms wrote: »
    It’s a terrible indictment of the leadership, Varadkar in particular.

    When all the confetti has blown away, from the ‘ohh look aren’t we modern, we elected a homosexual to be our head of state’ party... what we actually elected was a bunch of horrid right wing fûckers who when they had opportunity and expert information to get ahead of this, be proactive, save lives, their major priority was enabling people who like to make money, to continue doing so... to hell with the wellbeing of the citizens of Ireland their priority is enabling the health and wellbeing of balance sheets.
    To be fair we didn't elect them, after the election they were in a position to do a deal with a hodgepodge collection of TDs to stay in power, and they're trying to pull a similar stunt now, this time with FF, and any other idiots that they can scrape together to hold the fig leaves in place.


  • #1715
    anewme
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 12,202 ✭✭✭✭anewme


    smelly sock wrote: »
    He is advocating for an indefinite lockdown.

    If we lockdown for any longer after the 5th of May a lot of people will have nothing to return too. That is a legitimate concern for many.

    What he is saying is manipulative.

    Im all for protecting the most at risk groups but destroying our economy isnt the way to do it.

    I wouldn't be advocating lockdown infinitely either. Disaster economically. It's frustrating that people wont adhere to it now.

    But its certainly true that our elderly are suffering. Those who raised us. The situation in Nursing Homes is very serious and sad and not too far from what was described.


  • #1716
    KiKi III
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 2,653 ✭✭✭KiKi III


    easypazz wrote: »
    If it goes on much longer the whole aviation industry may never recover.

    Airbus and Boeing will have no customers so what will happen them.

    But lots of people here want to grandstand that everything should be locked down indefinately to protect people in nursing homes.

    They’ll be bailed out, 100%.


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  • #1717
    easypazz
    Closed Accounts Posts: 2,346 ✭✭✭easypazz


    anewme wrote: »
    I wouldn't be advocating lockdown infinitely either.

    But its certainly true that our elderly are suffering. Those who raised us. The situation in Nursing Homes is very serious.

    Nobody is denying the elderly are suffering, but the damage is already done, and moving on in 19 days won't undo it.


  • #1718
    smelly sock
    Closed Accounts Posts: 6,820 ✭✭✭smelly sock


    anewme wrote: »
    I wouldn't be advocating lockdown infinitely either.

    But its certainly true that our elderly are suffering. Those who raised us. The situation in Nursing Homes is very serious and sad and not too far from what was described.

    Put nursing homes in quarantine.


  • #1719
    owlbethere
    Closed Accounts Posts: 2,329 ✭✭✭owlbethere


    Strumms wrote: »
    It’s a terrible indictment of the leadership, Varadkar in particular.

    When all the confetti has blown away, from the ‘ohh look aren’t we modern, we elected a homosexual to be our head of state’ party... what we actually elected was a bunch of horrid right wing fûckers who when they had opportunity and expert information to get ahead of this, be proactive, save lives, their major priority was enabling people who like to make money, to continue doing so... to hell with the wellbeing of the citizens of Ireland their priority is enabling the health and wellbeing of balance sheets.

    Cheap dig having a go at his sexuality. Aside from that I agree with the rest. Australia didn't mess around with this virus and acted fast. They closed borders, implemented other measures, restrictions on home travels between the states, other measures. They have 46 covid deaths out from a population of 25 million.


  • #1720
    smelly sock
    Closed Accounts Posts: 6,820 ✭✭✭smelly sock


    easypazz wrote: »
    Nobody is denying the elderly are suffering, but the damage is already done, and moving on in 19 days won't undo it.

    Not moving on will only make it worse


  • #1721
    rosiem
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 273 ✭✭rosiem


    easypazz wrote: »
    I didn't see it but I didn't need it explained to me that the gardener wasn't really in the hall at 10pm on a Friday night.

    I thought it was obvious also but was just taking into account that some people obviously believed it to be genuine and going by the post I responded to are quite worked up about it.


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  • #1722
    anewme
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 12,202 ✭✭✭✭anewme


    smelly sock wrote: »
    Put nursing homes in quarantine.

    Theres been no visitors to my Dads since end Feb.

    Hopefully I'll get to see him again.


  • #1723
    easypazz
    Closed Accounts Posts: 2,346 ✭✭✭easypazz


    smelly sock wrote: »
    Put nursing homes in quarantine.

    And continue to cocoon the old and vulnerable.


  • #1724
    Jim_Hodge
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 13,011 ✭✭✭✭Jim_Hodge


    Strumms wrote: »

    we elected a homosexual to be our head of state... .

    Never knew that about Michael D.


    Sums up the rest of your ranting rubbish.


  • #1725
    Kermit.de.frog
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 26,163 ✭✭✭✭Kermit.de.frog


    No one is arguing for an indefinite "lock down".

    But certain restrictions are going to be in place one way or another until a vaccine is developed.

    It won't be the same strict measures as now, I suspect we'll end up with openings and closures intermittently in specific areas of the economy.

    Use of public transport will be restricted (maybe only to those with masks), shopping will continue to be restricted by numbers, nursing homes might stay off limits...these sorts of things.

    People will be back to work but society won't be back to what we understand as normal for some time.

    Not only here, the world over.

    We have suffered a global shock that is going to take a lot of getting over.


  • #1726
    KiKi III
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 2,653 ✭✭✭KiKi III


    easypazz wrote: »
    And continue to cocoon the old and vulnerable.

    This is not practical at all. It would be very difficult to put in place long term.

    And if it was possible, it’s pretty cruel.


  • #1727
    lawred2
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 25,106 ✭✭✭✭lawred2


    Strumms wrote: »
    It’s a terrible indictment of the leadership, Varadkar in particular.

    When all the confetti has blown away, from the ‘ohh look aren’t we modern, we elected a homosexual to be our head of state’ party... what we actually elected was a bunch of horrid right wing fûckers who when they had opportunity and expert information to get ahead of this, be proactive, save lives, their major priority was enabling people who like to make money, to continue doing so... to hell with the wellbeing of the citizens of Ireland their priority is enabling the health and wellbeing of balance sheets.

    It's usually only horrid right wing fûckers who take the time to highlight someone's sexual orientation in a context where it is entirely and wholly unrelated..


  • #1728
    tobefrank321
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 4,621 ✭✭✭tobefrank321


    easypazz wrote: »
    They will die far worse if there is no money.

    Like in Ecuador where they dump them on the street for collection.

    Or New York where they are buried in mass graves.

    But lets lockdown forever.

    Its quite simple.

    Had we locked down properly from the start, we'd be able to ease restrictions every so often for a couple of weeks.

    That's impossible now. Shambolic lockdown, testing and contact tracing means lockdown until vaccine.


  • #1729
    Rvsmmnps
    Closed Accounts Posts: 151 ✭✭Rvsmmnps


    Kermit.de.frog wrote: »
    No one is arguing for an indefinite "lock down".

    But certain restrictions are going to be in place one way or another until a vaccine is developed.

    It won't be the same strict measures as now, I suspect we'll end up with openings and closures intermittently in specific areas of the economy.

    Use of public transport will be restricted (maybe only to those with masks), shopping will continue to be restricted by numbers, nursing homes might stay off limits...these sorts of things.

    People will be back to work but society won't be back to what we understand as normal for some time.

    Not only here, the world over.

    We have suffered a global shock that is going to take a lot of getting over.

    There may never be a vaccine, this could be similar to a common cold issue. Except with worse effect


  • #1730
    woohoo!!!
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 801 ✭✭✭woohoo!!!


    tobefrank321 wrote: »
    Its quite simple.

    Had we locked down properly from the start, we'd be able to ease restrictions every so often for a couple of weeks.

    That's impossible now. Shambolic lockdown, testing and contact tracing means lockdown until vaccine.
    Apart from the fact that you've gotten everything wrong, you're right.


  • #1731
    rosiem
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 273 ✭✭rosiem


    Strumms wrote: »
    It’s a terrible indictment of the leadership, Varadkar in particular.

    When all the confetti has blown away, from the ‘ohh look aren’t we modern, we elected a homosexual to be our head of state’ party... what we actually elected was a bunch of horrid right wing fûckers who when they had opportunity and expert information to get ahead of this, be proactive, save lives, their major priority was enabling people who like to make money, to continue doing so... to hell with the wellbeing of the citizens of Ireland their priority is enabling the health and wellbeing of balance sheets.

    I think you true agenda is shown no need to mention his sexuality here it has no relevance to the topic just shows you will exploit any situation to spew homophobia.


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  • #1732
    stephenjmcd
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 15,580 ✭✭✭✭stephenjmcd


    tobefrank321 wrote: »
    Its quite simple.

    Had we locked down properly from the start, we'd be able to ease restrictions every so often for a couple of weeks.

    That's impossible now. Shambolic lockdown, testing and contact tracing means lockdown until vaccine.

    There will not be a lockdown until vaccine. Have you not read anything?
    I'll give you a direct quote from Harris,

    "In relation to the roadmap, there is going to be a point in this country where we will have to live alongside the virus, for want of a better phrase, where sadly people will still get sick and sadly some people will still die but it is at a rate that is sustainable for our doctors to manage,"

    That's clearly been the objective since the start, they wont be waiting for a vaccine. No country will be, it's not sustainable.

    Multiple airlines seem to be giving out the same date in June at the moment for resumption in europe, they've not all plucked that out of thin air, someone somewhere has given it to them.


  • #1733
    kwestfan08
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 1,523 ✭✭✭kwestfan08


    tobefrank321 wrote: »
    Its quite simple.

    Had we locked down properly from the start, we'd be able to ease restrictions every so often for a couple of weeks.

    That's impossible now. Shambolic lockdown, testing and contact tracing means lockdown until vaccine.

    No there wont be lockdown until a vaccine. Why would you put out such scaremongering horse****.


  • #1734
    ZX7R
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 3,396 ✭✭✭ZX7R


    smelly sock wrote: »
    Lockdown will be lifted on a phased basis from May 5th regardless of the status of Covid.

    The Economy needs to be kick started.

    There was an interesting question program on nhk news channel a member of the imf , person from who , EU diplomat and a person from the federal American bank, talking about the world economy and the affects on health systems also.
    Long story short they all agreed that indefinite lockdowns are not viable and could not continue.
    It boils down to controling the virus and getting economy's stimulus rolling and people back to work


  • #1735
    tobefrank321
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 4,621 ✭✭✭tobefrank321


    woohoo!!! wrote: »
    Apart from the fact that you've gotten everything wrong, you're right.

    What parts have I got wrong?


  • #1736
    scamalert
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 3,732 ✭✭✭scamalert


    stephenjmcd wrote: »
    There will not be a lockdown until vaccine. Have you not read anything?
    I'll give you a direct quote from Harris,

    "In relation to the roadmap, there is going to be a point in this country where we will have to live alongside the virus, for want of a better phrase, where sadly people will still get sick and sadly some people will still die but it is at a rate that is sustainable for our doctors to manage,"

    That's clearly been the objective since the start, they wont be waiting for a vaccine. No country will be, it's not sustainable
    thats accurate think mention was to get it down to 5-10 daily deaths that would be acceptable outcome, in grand scheme virus isnt going anywhere, but once supplement pay is gone people will be out themselves and it will be worse since with little jobs going we will face 2 disasters at the same time for hell knows how many years to come.


  • #1737
    bodhrandude
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 13,209 ✭✭✭✭bodhrandude


    Where can I help the Sierra Leone Covid Pandemic, was watching the Late Late Show the other night and the African country only has 2 ventilators which is shocking, was looking at Trocaire but you can't choose the specific country, I want my money to specifically go to Sierra Leone for the Covid Pandemic. If anyone can direct me to that particular charity. I have tweeted Ryan Tubridy as he was the one that mentioned it.

    If you want to get into it, you got to get out of it. (Hawkwind 1982)



  • #1738
    Micky 32
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 6,647 ✭✭✭Micky 32


    ChikiChiki wrote: »

    Jesus wept.

    No he didn’t, he never existed IMO.


  • #1739
    stephenjmcd
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 15,580 ✭✭✭✭stephenjmcd


    scamalert wrote: »
    thats accurate think mention was to get it down to 5-10 daily deaths that would be acceptable outcome, in grand scheme virus isnt going anywhere, but once supplement pay is gone people will be out themselves and it will be worse since with little jobs going we will face 2 disasters at the same time for hell knows how many years to come.

    No death is really acceptable but this cant go on until a vaccine is found. Longer a shutdown goes on, the worse the economic effects and the domino effect then on other services including even more pressure on health in time to come.


  • #1740
    tobefrank321
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 4,621 ✭✭✭tobefrank321


    kwestfan08 wrote: »
    No there wont be lockdown until a vaccine. Why would you put out such scaremongering horse****.

    FFS.

    7500 Irish lab cases.
    1000 German lab cases.

    25,000-30,000 of a backlog to be processed.

    Assuming a 10% positive rate thats 2500-3000 more positives.

    Thats a total of 11000 - 11500 positives. Holahan and Nolan said they expect to only find half of cases.

    So multiply by two we currently have 22 000 cases at a minimum.

    With an R0 of 1. That means 22000 becomes 44000 in about 2 weeks time. And by may 5th may it will likely be 50000 cases in reality.

    Thats before we ease restrictions. If we ease restrictions the R0 will likely jump hugely.

    There's no stopping this until a vaccine.

    All of these stats are not mine - they're government figures.


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  • #1741
    Micky 32
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 6,647 ✭✭✭Micky 32


    BanditLuke wrote: »
    They are off their rocker if they think they will be flying again anytime this summer. Without a vaccine airlines as we know them are finished for the foreseeable.

    There will be un certainty about flights for the rest of the year, no argument there. But in the next year or 2 they will resume and i will bet everything i have they will. Sorry if that disappoints you.


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