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Covid19 Part XV - 15,251 in ROI (610 deaths) 2,645 in NI (194 deaths) (19/04) Read OP

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  • #1172
    Westernyelp
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 2,420 ✭✭✭Westernyelp


    WTF is going on with the women of Sligo? Savages.


  • #1173
    easypazz
    Closed Accounts Posts: 2,346 ✭✭✭easypazz


    cloudatlas wrote: »
    It's funny as usual Irish media/ social media obsessed with U.K.
    U.K couldn't give a ****e about what is happening in Ireland and are more interested in what is happening in U.S.

    They don't want to be comparing themselves to the island next door that is doing way better than them.


  • #1174
    Andrew00
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 2,484 ✭✭✭Andrew00


    Westernyelp wrote: »
    WTF is going on with the women of Sligo? Savages.

    Tis our culture boss


  • #1175
    Strazdas
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 22,431 ✭✭✭✭Strazdas


    Away With The Fairies wrote: »
    Would you really want a vaccine that's been rushed through?

    You could probably make a case for the sick and frail being given it first (as they would be by far the most vulnerable group for Covid-19)

    Not sure though how fit and healthy people would feel about a vaccine which had been rush released


  • #1176
    derossi
    Closed Accounts Posts: 231 ✭✭derossi


    A family member got results back as inconclusive. Had to be retested and susequently tested positive. Has been isolating and the family showed no symptoms so all good from that point of view. They work in a hospital setting and an individual was allowed in to work after being in a high risk area, that person tested positive hence what happened since. Their whole department is isolating atm. On a plus side, the original wait for a test was long and results the same. The new test was gotten a lot quicker and the result was 4 days after.

    Obviously there has been issues and still are but only from that maybe there is some hope that they are getting their act together and the time between tests and results are getting shorter. It's without doubt that for any restriction to be lessened, we need there to be as little time as possible between, showing symptoms, contact GP, test organised, contact tracing starts and results are available.


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  • #1177
    BarryD2
    Closed Accounts Posts: 4,717 ✭✭✭BarryD2


    caveat emptor wrote: »
    Nursing home situation needs investigation. God knows how many people who could have pulled through were signed away by well wishing family who stood to gain financially. Horrible to think but I've seen this first hand with family and houses.

    Well that is one of the more despicable views I've read on these matters recently.

    Firstly I'd believe that the vast majority of families would only have their relatives best interests at heart, when they go into a nursing home. It's often only after living at home becomes untenable that such residential support is usually sought. To suggest that people can't wait to get rid of them so as to benefit from inheritances is pretty disgusting.

    Secondly nursing homes aren't hospitals. There's an acceptance and a realisation that for many, that the nursing home is their last abode - where they die. The doctor does the rounds and occasionally residents are referred to a hospital for some procedure or other. But not the sort of life saving treatments that might be applied to younger people.


  • #1178
    Valhallapt
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 1,222 ✭✭✭Valhallapt


    cloudatlas wrote: »
    It's funny as usual Irish media/ social media obsessed with U.K.
    U.K couldn't give a ****e about what is happening in Ireland and are more interested in what is happening in U.S.

    Can’t understand this myself, far more similar sized countries in our union I’m interested in


  • #1179
    grouchyman
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 211 ✭✭grouchyman


    macmahon wrote: »
    I suggest you watch this daily! https://countrymeters.info/en/Ireland
    Relax a little.

    Interesting read. Thanks for posting.


  • #1180
    Away With The Fairies
    Banned (with Prison Access) Posts: 4,077 ✭✭✭Away With The Fairies


    Strazdas wrote: »
    You could probably make a case for the sick and frail being given it first (as they would be by far the most vulnerable group for Covid-19)

    Not sure though how fit and healthy people would feel about a vaccine which had been rush released

    Also September isn't even a guaranteed timeframe. We would probably all have caught the virus by next year.


  • #1181
    davemckenna25
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 1,338 ✭✭✭davemckenna25


    cloudatlas wrote: »
    It's funny as usual Irish media/ social media obsessed with U.K.
    U.K couldn't give a ****e about what is happening in Ireland and are more interested in what is happening in U.S.

    Of course they are, people always look to what makes them look good.... (or less bad)


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  • #1182
    Class MayDresser
    Closed Accounts Posts: 395 ✭✭Class MayDresser


    Strazdas wrote: »
    You could probably make a case for the sick and frail being given it first (as they would be by far the most vulnerable group for Covid-19)

    Not sure though how fit and healthy people would feel about a vaccine which had been rush released

    Would you take an out and out cure with side effects attached or wait for better?.... On deaths bed, 100%, otherwise, you're in the megapharma's range. And boy, will they profit.


  • #1183
    weldoninhio
    Closed Accounts Posts: 14,311 ✭✭✭✭weldoninhio


    Away With The Fairies wrote: »
    I think fergal bowers wrote something yesterday that a healthcare worker was told they were negative and a few days later a phone call saying they were positive.

    A doctor I work with was telling me that there are 30% false negatives from the tests we use.


  • #1184
    Danzy
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 15,242 ✭✭✭✭Danzy


    Jinglejangle69 wrote: »
    We're actually a nation of morons who think we're loved all over the world.

    We aren't and we are selfish ****ers pampered for too long.

    The whole thing is very bad.


  • #1185
    weldoninhio
    Closed Accounts Posts: 14,311 ✭✭✭✭weldoninhio


    Away With The Fairies wrote: »
    I think fergal bowers wrote something yesterday that a healthcare worker was told they were negative and a few days later a phone call saying they were positive.

    A doctor I work with was telling me that there are 30% false negatives from the tests we use.


  • #1186
    FishOnABike
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 5,214 ✭✭✭FishOnABike


    US2 wrote: »
    Ireland has the 3rd highest death rate in the world per million people. You won't hear tony tell you that though.

    Because it's a meaningless comparison until the pandemic has burned itself out in all the countries being compared. It will take more time to spread through a larger population.


  • #1187
    macmahon
    Banned (with Prison Access) Posts: 83 ✭✭macmahon


    grouchyman wrote: »
    Interesting read. Thanks for posting.

    No problem grouchyman...its my pleasure! https://countrymeters.info/en/Ireland


  • #1188
    coastwatch
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 911 ✭✭✭coastwatch


    weldoninhio wrote: »
    A doctor I work with was telling me that there are 30% false negatives from the tests we use.

    I cant belive that, I'd say it's complete BS


  • #1189
    1641
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 1,342 ✭✭✭1641


    caveat emptor wrote: »
    Initially I was terrified what would happen if we didn't bring in restrictions. We managed to bring them in but it was always slightly after the fact.
    I've been impressed with how society are rallying around vulnerable but if I look at the situation coldly I'm not so happy. At every step there has been people on here doing their best to raise awareness fighting pitched battles with the wilfully ignorant. It's great to see so many like minded people on here but I've spent most of my time pointing out utter horsesho!t written by people who are clearly working for some vested interest in a volunteer or professional capacity.
    • cancel the match / parade => leave pubs open so people travelled anyway
    • open glamour testing centres => no possibility of processing them => massive testing backlog to this way
    • transparency through obfuscation => It should not take that long to explain a number
    • Proper PPE for front-line staff => highest rate of HCW infected AFIK (as a percentage of total cases) All you need to do is compare how our staff look compared to other countries to know we were given run around.
    • Talking AROUND numbers has turned into a national sport
    • Nursing home situation needs investigation. God knows how many people who could have pulled through were signed away by well wishing family who stood to gain financially. Horrible to think but I've seen this first hand with family and houses.

    I wasn't surprised in the least that extensions were extended. I'm still not happy about not having a clear exit strategy. Strategy has been weak throughout. We were more concerned with cowing EU, vintners , Bord failte than getting ahead of this curve.

    Getting to the stage of just getting on with the new reality. This will be hear for a very long time if the whole international community doesn't work together. Best just get used to new normal and keep yourself and loved ones happy and safe.

    Happy Saturday. :)


    Just the highlighted points. It did not take that long to explain the numbers. It took quite a while for a few people to grasp the explanation. It took quite a while longer for those who did not want to accept the explanation - those determined to show that there is a "cover-up" or keen to present everything in the most negative light. There have been some of these around here from the start and they still pop up. So yes, they have turned talking about numbers into a sport - on here anyway.


    Regarding nursing homes. I have no doubt that there may be some older people in nursing homes who have relatives keen to get at the inheritance. As there are with older people at home. But to suggest that this is the general and pervasive situation is offensive and insulting to most of those who have relatives in nursing homes - and to those who have lost family members in nursing homes during this crisis.



    I know of nowhere that has a clear exit strategy (short of a vaccine). Some countries have put tentative opening into place. But it is tentative and it is, in a way, an experiment. They and we do not know how the infection rate will respond. Luckily some are further along the curve than us so we should be able to learn from them.

    .


  • #1190
    Tippex
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 2,960 ✭✭✭Tippex


    US2 wrote: »
    We are failing miserably. A month now since social distancing, pubs schools close and still increase in cases every night. We are on course to be the worst affected country in the world

    Jim Corr & Gemma O'Doherty's lovechild?


  • #1191
    Away With The Fairies
    Banned (with Prison Access) Posts: 4,077 ✭✭✭Away With The Fairies


    weldoninhio wrote: »
    A doctor I work with was telling me that there are 30% false negatives from the tests we use.

    That is quite alot. Means we all have to isolate if we get a negative result and have symptoms. There's no way of knowing if your mild cold is just a cold... But it also means there will be assholes who would be out there the minute they get a negative result.


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  • #1192
    davemckenna25
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 1,338 ✭✭✭davemckenna25


    weldoninhio wrote: »
    A doctor I work with was telling me that there are 30% false negatives from the tests we use.

    Can you back this up with actual facts?


  • #1193
    Quantum Erasure
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 10,442 ✭✭✭✭Quantum Erasure


    JP Liz V1 wrote: »
    Sinead has a truly unique stunning voice



  • #1194
    caveat emptor
    Closed Accounts Posts: 5,134 ✭✭✭caveat emptor


    BarryD2 wrote: »
    Well that is one of the more despicable views I've read on these matters recently.

    Firstly I'd believe that the vast majority of families would only have their relatives best interests at heart, when they go into a nursing home. It's often only after living at home becomes untenable that such residential support is usually sought. To suggest that people can't wait to get rid of them so as to benefit from inheritances is pretty disgusting.

    Secondly nursing homes aren't hospitals. There's an acceptance and a realisation that for many, that the nursing home is their last abode - where they die. The doctor does the rounds and occasionally residents are referred to a hospital for some procedure or other. But not the sort of life saving treatments that might be applied to younger people.

    I simply said it needs investigation. People are very quick to sign DNRs these days.


  • #1195
    Away With The Fairies
    Banned (with Prison Access) Posts: 4,077 ✭✭✭Away With The Fairies


    davemckenna25 wrote: »
    Can you back this up with actual facts?

    https://www.google.ie/amp/s/www.livescience.com/amp/covid19-coronavirus-tests-false-negatives.html


  • #1196
    caveat emptor
    Closed Accounts Posts: 5,134 ✭✭✭caveat emptor


    1641 wrote: »
    Just the highlighted points. It did not take that long to explain the numbers. It took quite a while for a few people to grasp the explanation. It took quite a while longer for those who did not want to accept the explanation - those determined to show that there is a "cover-up" or keen to present everything in the most negative light. There have been some of these around here from the start and they still pop up. So yes, they have turned talking about numbers into a sport - on here anyway.


    Regarding nursing homes. I have no doubt that there may be some older people in nursing homes who have relatives keen to get at the inheritance. As there are with older people at home. But to suggest that this is the general and pervasive situation is offensive and insulting to most of those who have relatives in nursing homes - and to those who have lost family members in nursing homes during this crisis.



    I know of nowhere that has a clear exit strategy (short of a vaccine). Some countries have put tentative opening into place. But it is tentative and it is, in a way, an experiment. They and we do not know how the infection rate will respond. Luckily some are further along the curve than us so we should be able to learn from them.

    .

    Needs investigation. We don’t know. It’s not all lollipops in the land of inheritance. I didn’t suggest pervasive or general. Thanks for mischaracterising.


  • #1197
    fullstop
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2, Paid Member Posts: 12,468 ✭✭✭✭fullstop


    smelly sock wrote: »
    Wow that light in the window ****e is a joke. **** off. Some actually enjoying this lockdown crap.

    You always have to see the absolute worst in everything, don't you? ffs :rolleyes:


  • #1198
    Tea Shock
    Banned (with Prison Access) Posts: 345 ✭✭Tea Shock


    weldoninhio wrote: »
    A doctor I work with was telling me that there are 30% false negatives from the tests we use.

    I believe it

    Read something yesterday or the day before that South Korea only regards a patient as having recovered when they test negative twice and at least 24 hours apart


  • #1199
    davemckenna25
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 1,338 ✭✭✭davemckenna25


    Away With The Fairies wrote: »
    https://www.google.ie/amp/s/www.livescience.com/amp/covid19-coronavirus-tests-false-negatives.html

    "Unfortunately, we have very little public data on the false-negative rate for these tests in clinical practice," Dr. Harlan M. Krumholz, a professor of medicine at Yale University and director of the Yale New Haven Hospital Center for Outcomes Research and Evaluation, wrote in an opinion piece in The New York Times. However, preliminary research from China suggests that the most common type of COVID-19 test, known as a reverse transcriptase polymerase chain reaction (RT-PCR) test, may give false-negative results about 30% of the time.

    The 2nd paragraph in that piece. So no facts... a few maybes and we don't know.


  • #1200
    Beasty
    Administrators, Social & Fun Moderators, Sports Moderators, Paid Member Posts: 78,513 Admin ✭✭✭✭✭Beasty


    Logan Roy wrote: »
    Where are all these accounts coming from? Posters with less than 200 posts in 10 years.

    If you have an issue with a post or poster report it and the mods will have a look

    On your specific question, it's common sense to me. A lot of people who have drifted away from the site now have a topic they want to discuss. Same as loads of people signing up in the past few months

    Do not respond to this post in-thread


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  • #1201
    gabeeg
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 1,591 ✭✭✭gabeeg


    coastwatch wrote: »
    I cant belive that, I'd say it's complete BS

    Well you're not going to enjoy this source so

    https://www.livescience.com/covid19-coronavirus-tests-false-negatives.html


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