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Covid19 Part XV - 15,251 in ROI (610 deaths) 2,645 in NI (194 deaths) (19/04) Read OP

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  • #1172
    SnrInfant
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 86 ✭✭SnrInfant


    Ace2007 wrote: »
    If the 5 adult men live in the house, then they are doing nothing wrong. Maybe shout over to them the next time and ask them. Like people can have BBQ play football etc in their own property if they live together.


    They appear to be the carers. Thanks for the reply 👍


  • #1173
    easypazz
    Closed Accounts Posts: 2,346 ✭✭✭easypazz


    caveat emptor wrote: »


    (we are neglecting to say we have no way to process the samples)

    .

    Are they lying about sending them to Germany:rolleyes:


  • #1174
    Wombatman
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 3,347 ✭✭✭Wombatman


    FVP3 wrote: »
    All of them in the early stages, the US is a good example.

    At the early stages. Yes.

    That's why I said growth rate is higher at the beginning and slows as the numbers get bigger. This is what you disagreed with and now you are agreeing with it????

    At the beginning a jump from 2 to 6 is a 200% increase but nobody bat an eyelid. 4 cases in number.

    A four case increase at the beginning can be massive. A four case increase now would be less than 1% growth.


  • #1175
    cloudatlas
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 3,711 ✭✭✭cloudatlas


    It's funny as usual Irish media/ social media obsessed with U.K.
    U.K couldn't give a ****e about what is happening in Ireland and are more interested in what is happening in U.S.


  • #1176
    normanoffside
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 10,229 ✭✭✭✭normanoffside


    Wombatman wrote: »
    The numbers going in each day are still growing.

    People are leaving at the same time.

    Total number of cases requiring ICU is not the same as number of people currently in ICU.

    As long as the current number in ICU is not growing too highly then we are Ok for now and if it starts to drop we are doing great.


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  • #1177
    macmahon
    Banned (with Prison Access) Posts: 83 ✭✭macmahon


    Gretas Gonna Get Ya! wrote: »
    What the hell are talking about?

    Look at our death toll... I mean really look at it... now look at our population and our population density. And the fact that we are an Island nation on the edge of Europe!

    I'm no maths genius, but you don't need to be one to figure out that we are not faring too well in this thing.

    I'm no doom-monger - I'm just honest... but some of you guys are definitely trying too hard to put a positive spin on something that is not positive! I don't see why so many people on here that simply tell the truth, get labelled a doom-monger... it's a very dumb way to categorize people or their points. It's childish tbh.

    (And where did I say anything about climate change... or being anti-science ?? You must be confusing me with someone else!)

    Yes...look at our death toll! I suggest you watch this daily! https://countrymeters.info/en/Ireland
    Relax a little.


  • #1178
    Westernyelp
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 2,410 ✭✭✭Westernyelp


    WTF is going on with the women of Sligo? Savages.


  • #1179
    easypazz
    Closed Accounts Posts: 2,346 ✭✭✭easypazz


    cloudatlas wrote: »
    It's funny as usual Irish media/ social media obsessed with U.K.
    U.K couldn't give a ****e about what is happening in Ireland and are more interested in what is happening in U.S.

    They don't want to be comparing themselves to the island next door that is doing way better than them.


  • #1180
    Andrew00
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 2,484 ✭✭✭Andrew00


    Westernyelp wrote: »
    WTF is going on with the women of Sligo? Savages.

    Tis our culture boss


  • #1181
    Strazdas
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 20,331 ✭✭✭✭Strazdas


    Away With The Fairies wrote: »
    Would you really want a vaccine that's been rushed through?

    You could probably make a case for the sick and frail being given it first (as they would be by far the most vulnerable group for Covid-19)

    Not sure though how fit and healthy people would feel about a vaccine which had been rush released


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  • #1182
    derossi
    Closed Accounts Posts: 231 ✭✭derossi


    A family member got results back as inconclusive. Had to be retested and susequently tested positive. Has been isolating and the family showed no symptoms so all good from that point of view. They work in a hospital setting and an individual was allowed in to work after being in a high risk area, that person tested positive hence what happened since. Their whole department is isolating atm. On a plus side, the original wait for a test was long and results the same. The new test was gotten a lot quicker and the result was 4 days after.

    Obviously there has been issues and still are but only from that maybe there is some hope that they are getting their act together and the time between tests and results are getting shorter. It's without doubt that for any restriction to be lessened, we need there to be as little time as possible between, showing symptoms, contact GP, test organised, contact tracing starts and results are available.


  • #1183
    BarryD2
    Closed Accounts Posts: 4,732 ✭✭✭BarryD2


    caveat emptor wrote: »
    Nursing home situation needs investigation. God knows how many people who could have pulled through were signed away by well wishing family who stood to gain financially. Horrible to think but I've seen this first hand with family and houses.

    Well that is one of the more despicable views I've read on these matters recently.

    Firstly I'd believe that the vast majority of families would only have their relatives best interests at heart, when they go into a nursing home. It's often only after living at home becomes untenable that such residential support is usually sought. To suggest that people can't wait to get rid of them so as to benefit from inheritances is pretty disgusting.

    Secondly nursing homes aren't hospitals. There's an acceptance and a realisation that for many, that the nursing home is their last abode - where they die. The doctor does the rounds and occasionally residents are referred to a hospital for some procedure or other. But not the sort of life saving treatments that might be applied to younger people.


  • #1184
    Valhallapt
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 1,226 ✭✭✭Valhallapt


    cloudatlas wrote: »
    It's funny as usual Irish media/ social media obsessed with U.K.
    U.K couldn't give a ****e about what is happening in Ireland and are more interested in what is happening in U.S.

    Can’t understand this myself, far more similar sized countries in our union I’m interested in


  • #1185
    grouchyman
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 211 ✭✭grouchyman


    macmahon wrote: »
    I suggest you watch this daily! https://countrymeters.info/en/Ireland
    Relax a little.

    Interesting read. Thanks for posting.


  • #1186
    Away With The Fairies
    Banned (with Prison Access) Posts: 4,077 ✭✭✭Away With The Fairies


    Strazdas wrote: »
    You could probably make a case for the sick and frail being given it first (as they would be by far the most vulnerable group for Covid-19)

    Not sure though how fit and healthy people would feel about a vaccine which had been rush released

    Also September isn't even a guaranteed timeframe. We would probably all have caught the virus by next year.


  • #1187
    davemckenna25
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 1,253 ✭✭✭davemckenna25


    cloudatlas wrote: »
    It's funny as usual Irish media/ social media obsessed with U.K.
    U.K couldn't give a ****e about what is happening in Ireland and are more interested in what is happening in U.S.

    Of course they are, people always look to what makes them look good.... (or less bad)


  • #1188
    Class MayDresser
    Closed Accounts Posts: 395 ✭✭Class MayDresser


    Strazdas wrote: »
    You could probably make a case for the sick and frail being given it first (as they would be by far the most vulnerable group for Covid-19)

    Not sure though how fit and healthy people would feel about a vaccine which had been rush released

    Would you take an out and out cure with side effects attached or wait for better?.... On deaths bed, 100%, otherwise, you're in the megapharma's range. And boy, will they profit.


  • #1189
    weldoninhio
    Closed Accounts Posts: 14,311 ✭✭✭✭weldoninhio


    Away With The Fairies wrote: »
    I think fergal bowers wrote something yesterday that a healthcare worker was told they were negative and a few days later a phone call saying they were positive.

    A doctor I work with was telling me that there are 30% false negatives from the tests we use.


  • #1190
    Danzy
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 15,065 ✭✭✭✭Danzy


    Jinglejangle69 wrote: »
    We're actually a nation of morons who think we're loved all over the world.

    We aren't and we are selfish ****ers pampered for too long.

    The whole thing is very bad.


  • #1191
    weldoninhio
    Closed Accounts Posts: 14,311 ✭✭✭✭weldoninhio


    Away With The Fairies wrote: »
    I think fergal bowers wrote something yesterday that a healthcare worker was told they were negative and a few days later a phone call saying they were positive.

    A doctor I work with was telling me that there are 30% false negatives from the tests we use.


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  • #1192
    FishOnABike
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 4,846 ✭✭✭FishOnABike


    US2 wrote: »
    Ireland has the 3rd highest death rate in the world per million people. You won't hear tony tell you that though.

    Because it's a meaningless comparison until the pandemic has burned itself out in all the countries being compared. It will take more time to spread through a larger population.


  • #1193
    macmahon
    Banned (with Prison Access) Posts: 83 ✭✭macmahon


    grouchyman wrote: »
    Interesting read. Thanks for posting.

    No problem grouchyman...its my pleasure! https://countrymeters.info/en/Ireland


  • #1194
    coastwatch
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 909 ✭✭✭coastwatch


    weldoninhio wrote: »
    A doctor I work with was telling me that there are 30% false negatives from the tests we use.

    I cant belive that, I'd say it's complete BS


  • #1195
    1641
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 1,292 ✭✭✭1641


    caveat emptor wrote: »
    Initially I was terrified what would happen if we didn't bring in restrictions. We managed to bring them in but it was always slightly after the fact.
    I've been impressed with how society are rallying around vulnerable but if I look at the situation coldly I'm not so happy. At every step there has been people on here doing their best to raise awareness fighting pitched battles with the wilfully ignorant. It's great to see so many like minded people on here but I've spent most of my time pointing out utter horsesho!t written by people who are clearly working for some vested interest in a volunteer or professional capacity.
    • cancel the match / parade => leave pubs open so people travelled anyway
    • open glamour testing centres => no possibility of processing them => massive testing backlog to this way
    • transparency through obfuscation => It should not take that long to explain a number
    • Proper PPE for front-line staff => highest rate of HCW infected AFIK (as a percentage of total cases) All you need to do is compare how our staff look compared to other countries to know we were given run around.
    • Talking AROUND numbers has turned into a national sport
    • Nursing home situation needs investigation. God knows how many people who could have pulled through were signed away by well wishing family who stood to gain financially. Horrible to think but I've seen this first hand with family and houses.

    I wasn't surprised in the least that extensions were extended. I'm still not happy about not having a clear exit strategy. Strategy has been weak throughout. We were more concerned with cowing EU, vintners , Bord failte than getting ahead of this curve.

    Getting to the stage of just getting on with the new reality. This will be hear for a very long time if the whole international community doesn't work together. Best just get used to new normal and keep yourself and loved ones happy and safe.

    Happy Saturday. :)


    Just the highlighted points. It did not take that long to explain the numbers. It took quite a while for a few people to grasp the explanation. It took quite a while longer for those who did not want to accept the explanation - those determined to show that there is a "cover-up" or keen to present everything in the most negative light. There have been some of these around here from the start and they still pop up. So yes, they have turned talking about numbers into a sport - on here anyway.


    Regarding nursing homes. I have no doubt that there may be some older people in nursing homes who have relatives keen to get at the inheritance. As there are with older people at home. But to suggest that this is the general and pervasive situation is offensive and insulting to most of those who have relatives in nursing homes - and to those who have lost family members in nursing homes during this crisis.



    I know of nowhere that has a clear exit strategy (short of a vaccine). Some countries have put tentative opening into place. But it is tentative and it is, in a way, an experiment. They and we do not know how the infection rate will respond. Luckily some are further along the curve than us so we should be able to learn from them.

    .


  • #1196
    Tippex
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 2,958 ✭✭✭Tippex


    US2 wrote: »
    We are failing miserably. A month now since social distancing, pubs schools close and still increase in cases every night. We are on course to be the worst affected country in the world

    Jim Corr & Gemma O'Doherty's lovechild?


  • #1197
    Away With The Fairies
    Banned (with Prison Access) Posts: 4,077 ✭✭✭Away With The Fairies


    weldoninhio wrote: »
    A doctor I work with was telling me that there are 30% false negatives from the tests we use.

    That is quite alot. Means we all have to isolate if we get a negative result and have symptoms. There's no way of knowing if your mild cold is just a cold... But it also means there will be assholes who would be out there the minute they get a negative result.


  • #1198
    davemckenna25
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 1,253 ✭✭✭davemckenna25


    weldoninhio wrote: »
    A doctor I work with was telling me that there are 30% false negatives from the tests we use.

    Can you back this up with actual facts?


  • #1199
    Quantum Erasure
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 9,615 ✭✭✭Quantum Erasure


    JP Liz V1 wrote: »
    Sinead has a truly unique stunning voice



  • #1200
    caveat emptor
    Closed Accounts Posts: 5,134 ✭✭✭caveat emptor


    BarryD2 wrote: »
    Well that is one of the more despicable views I've read on these matters recently.

    Firstly I'd believe that the vast majority of families would only have their relatives best interests at heart, when they go into a nursing home. It's often only after living at home becomes untenable that such residential support is usually sought. To suggest that people can't wait to get rid of them so as to benefit from inheritances is pretty disgusting.

    Secondly nursing homes aren't hospitals. There's an acceptance and a realisation that for many, that the nursing home is their last abode - where they die. The doctor does the rounds and occasionally residents are referred to a hospital for some procedure or other. But not the sort of life saving treatments that might be applied to younger people.

    I simply said it needs investigation. People are very quick to sign DNRs these days.


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  • #1201
    Away With The Fairies
    Banned (with Prison Access) Posts: 4,077 ✭✭✭Away With The Fairies


    davemckenna25 wrote: »
    Can you back this up with actual facts?

    https://www.google.ie/amp/s/www.livescience.com/amp/covid19-coronavirus-tests-false-negatives.html


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