The UK response to Covid-19 [MOD WARNING 1ST POST]

Joe_ Public · 11-04-2020 04:47PM

Then she gives the comditional apology, her handlers will be groaning at that.

Enzokk · 11-04-2020 04:49PM

I don't think she apologised. She apologised if people feel that the government has let them down and not for the government actually letting people down. So she is sorry that people think the government has been ****e, not that they actually have been.

bilston · 11-04-2020 04:49PM

Professor Moriarty wrote: »

I wonder were SF consulted? I wonder was the historical significance of British soldiers driving around Derry and Belfast acknowledged? Or did Swann just make a unilateral decision and announce it?

If not being consulted (if that's what happened) is their issue, then they can make that point.

If they are unhappy with the decision for historical reasons then as I say they need to realise there is a bigger picture here.

dfx- · 11-04-2020 04:49PM

Joe_ Public wrote: »

Asking Patel to give a commitment on a date for delivering ppe to hospitals. I mean, if Raab or Hancock cant answer that, how can we expect her to? Only going to get waffle.

She's the fourth most senior government representative, she's got to be more adaptable than that. She was obviously going to be asked about non-department stuff, she's got to be better than this or coming across irritated by the question.

She was asked about the delivery of PPE to NHS and started talking about delivery to the fire service.

Joe_ Public · 11-04-2020 04:53PM

Enzokk wrote: »

I don't think she apologised. She apologised if people feel that the government has let them down and not for the government actually letting people down. So she is sorry that people think the government has been ****e, not that they actually have been.

It was a non apology apology. Twice.

Call me Al · 11-04-2020 04:54PM

Can someone clarify for me.... are UK figures for covid deaths inclusive of those covid deaths occurring outside hospitals?
BBC news earlier had a correspondent who said that today's figure of 917 are those within the hospital setting.

Joe_ Public · 11-04-2020 04:56PM

dfx- wrote: »

She's the fourth most senior government representative, she's got to be more adaptable than that. She was obviously going to be asked about non-department stuff, she's got to be better than this or coming across irritated by the question.

She was asked about the delivery of PPE to NHS and started talking about delivery to the fire service.

This is all just symptomatic of the general failure in leadership since the start. She's no worse than raab anyway and these medical guys dont give comprehensive answers either. Sunak alone has appeared reasonably competent but the bar is low.

Joe_ Public · 11-04-2020 04:58PM

Call me Al wrote: »

Can someone clarify for me.... are UK figures for covid deaths inclusive of those covid deaths occurring outside hospitals?
BBC news earlier had a correspondent who said that today's figure of 917 are those within the hospital setting.

Only include hospital deaths in which covid-19 is clearly listed as cause of death.

robinph · 11-04-2020 04:58PM

dfx- wrote: »

She's the fourth most senior government representative, she's got to be more adaptable than that. She was obviously going to be asked about non-department stuff, she's got to be better than this or coming across irritated by the question.

She was asked about the delivery of PPE to NHS and started talking about delivery to the fire service.

I'd have thought that Home Secretary would normally be considered to out rank Foreign Secretary, especially on something related to the UK rather than other countries.

Chancellor would be number 2, but only in that they hold the purse strings. For this it should be PM - Health - Home - Chancellor (because he's got to pay for it) - then somewhere further down the line Foreign but its not really anything to do with him. Defence if anything would be more useful in providing support personnel and equipment.

That Patel has only just emerged from hibernation this far in shows how much respect the rest of the cabinet has for her.

Harry Palmr · 11-04-2020 05:04PM

Patel has the emotional intelligence of a police batton. There's a reason she has been kept away from the media.

blinding · 11-04-2020 05:05PM

robinph wrote: »

I'd have thought that Home Secretary would normally be considered to out rank Foreign Secretary, especially on something related to the UK rather than other countries.

Chancellor would be number 2, but only in that they hold the purse strings. For this it should be PM - Health - Home - Chancellor (because he's got to pay for it) - then somewhere further down the line Foreign but its not really anything to do with him. Defence if anything would be more useful in providing support personnel and equipment.

That Patel has only just emerged from hibernation this far in shows how much respect the rest of the cabinet has for her.

Covid-19 came from China = Certainly the Foreign Secretary’s Bailiwick.

The Foreign Secretary should have been all over this from the start as should have been the Irish Foreign Minister !

Professor Moriarty · 11-04-2020 05:08PM

bilston wrote: »

If not being consulted (if that's what happened) is their issue, then they can make that point.

If they are unhappy with the decision for historical reasons then as I say they need to realise there is a bigger picture here.

Often, it is how things are said, not what is said. If it was a unilateral decision and just announced, then that is grossly insensitive and downright insulting.

Harry Palmr · 11-04-2020 05:08PM

What?! It's a virus not a foreign governments policy they are reacting to!

robinph · 11-04-2020 05:10PM

blinding wrote: »

Covid-19 came from China = Certainly the Foreign Secretary’s Bailiwick.

The Foreign Secretary should have been all over this from the start as should have been the Irish Foreign Minister !

Maybe if it was all about sending aid and support to China. If its about stopping it getting into the country and then dealing with it once it's there then it is down to the Home and Health departments.

dfx- · 11-04-2020 05:12PM

Raab is bumped up the ranks by being the nominated deputy leader than the role as Foreign Secretary. Then it's Sunak and then Patel..

devnull · 11-04-2020 05:12PM

Had to laugh at the bit where Patel said she's not been presenting the conferences as she's been working very hard non stop in the Home Office all day 7 days a week before correcting herself to 3 days a week.

Seems like her mouth was working quicker than her brain.

dfx- wrote: »

Raab is bumped up the ranks by being the nominated deputy leader than the role as Foreign Secretary. Then it's Sunak and then Patel..

Both Raab and Patel are terrible, The one that Raab gave 3 days ago and this one are the worst conferences so far.

Sunak at least sounds like a leader and can speak authoritatively, unlike the other two who care little about the public.

blinding · 11-04-2020 05:16PM

Harry Palmr wrote: »

What?! It's a virus not a foreign governments policy they are reacting to!

The Foreign Secretary is not to keep an eye on what is going on in Foreign Countries ! ! ! :eek::eek:

This Virus has come from China. It was the Foreign Secretary’s Job to know what is going on in Foreign Countries. Were the British one and the Irish one asleep at the wheel ? ?:eek::eek:

blinding · 11-04-2020 05:18PM

robinph wrote: »

Maybe if it was all about sending aid and support to China. If its about stopping it getting into the country and then dealing with it once it's there then it is down to the Home and Health departments.

The Foreign Secretary is in charge of the First Ministry that should have know what was going to come from China . Raab and Coveney must have been asleep.

A Dub in Glasgo · 11-04-2020 05:21PM

Patel is very poor, remember her counter terrorism offences interview

Joe_ Public · 11-04-2020 05:22PM

devnull wrote: »

Had to laugh at the bit where Patel said she's not been presenting the conferences as she's been working very hard non stop in the Home Office all day 7 days a week before correcting herself to 3 days a week.

Seems like her mouth was working quicker than her brain.

Both Raab and Patel are terrible, The one that Raab gave 3 days ago and this one are the worst conferences so far.

Sunak at least sounds like a leader and can speak authoritatively, unlike the other two who care little about the public.

Just reading The Body by Bill Bryson and came to this bit: "True smiles are brief - between two-thirds of a second and four seconds. That's why a held smile begins to look menacing. A true smile is the one expression we cannot fake.".

Couldnt help thinking instantly of Dominic "Rictus" Raab.

A Dub in Glasgo · 11-04-2020 05:26PM

blinding wrote: »

The Foreign Secretary is not to keep an eye on what is going on in Foreign Countries ! ! ! :eek::eek:

This Virus has come from China. It was the Foreign Secretary’s Job to know what is going on in Foreign Countries. Were the British one and the Irish one asleep at the wheel ? ?:eek::eek:

From the video I posted earlier, the UK Govt treated COVID-19 as a foreign issue rather than a public health issue. This is from February

dfx- · 11-04-2020 05:26PM

devnull wrote: »

Both Raab and Patel are terrible, The one that Raab gave 3 days ago and this one are the worst conferences so far.

Sunak at least sounds like a leader and can speak authoritatively, unlike the other two who care little about the public.

The wealth of difference between Johnson and Sunak to Raab and Patel are cavernous. Sunak has an advantage because he is delivering the job retention act and charity/self employed support which gives a lot of credibility and trust. He can then admit that he can't solve every problem or save every job.

It's not fobbing answers off with 'it's not my department' or 'Actually I have been working hard' or "We'll do the right thing at the right time" type non answers.

Enzokk · 11-04-2020 05:27PM

For a data comparison, here is a chart showing how countries progressed from 100 deaths.

https://twitter.com/EdConwaySky/status/1248981804104716289?s=20

So the UK is on the same path as Italy. The same Italy where we saw news reports of the overwhelmed health service and the acknowledgement that they severely mishandled this crises. If only the UK had more time, or is me pointing this out hurting some people's feelings?

Here is two more charts, one showing that had the death rate increase not been halted somewhat they would have been closer to 20 000 instead of 10 000 death this weekend. So some good news, but with the caveat that they are only including death in hospital. France numbers do include deaths outside of hospitals and if they were recorded the same as the UK they would have probably been below the UK.

https://twitter.com/EdConwaySky/status/1248991630171963392?s=20

millb · 11-04-2020 05:27PM

duffman13 wrote: »

Jesus thats a tough read. The father daughter dieing within 24 hours of each other

The vast majority of them are from ethnic minorities, I know the NHS is generally heavily supported from overseas workers however I wonder is there something in their genetic make up that makes them more prone to a serious dose. In the states they were saying it seems to be disproportianetly affecting ethnic backgrounds. Initially thought it might be a wealth/poverty divide there but a bit of a trend.

Not sure but could there be a BCG vaccination angle? IRRC I saw somewhere that the first 10 NHS doctors to have died were "all non-uk born" ..

kyote00 · 11-04-2020 05:40PM

Here is mine

robinph wrote: »

Priti Patel asking people to tweet a picture of a hand print in order to save the world, this could be a turning point. Political attempts at viral social media campaigns tend to go wrong...

Larbre34 · 11-04-2020 05:47PM

That has gone about as badly for Patel as the No. 10 spin merchants could have feared.

The virus was a personal and political Godsend for her as it guillotined the Philip Rutnam / Home Office story. Now its taken her about 5 minutes to show how inept and narcissistic she is at the same time.

Again her only saving grace is that only Boris can sack her and he's otherwise occupied. I expect Keir Starmer to open the batting on her before the day is out.

Beechwoodspark · 11-04-2020 05:48PM

Patel is woeful. She’ll be sacked soon enough once she’s outstayed her usefulness to BJ

Professor Moriarty · 11-04-2020 06:48PM

Beechwoodspark wrote: »

Patel is woeful. She’ll be sacked soon enough once she’s outstayed her usefulness to BJ

To paraphrase Oscar Wilde, to lose one cabinet post may be regarded as misfortune, to lose two looks like stupidity.

Enzokk · 11-04-2020 07:01PM

At least the UK isn't the US though, imagine having doctors doing their own studies on unproven medication because the man in charge has a bee in his bonnet about it,

COVID-19 Patients Given Unproven Drug In Texas Nursing Home In 'Disconcerting' Move

The most interesting part of this story is here,

In total, 87 people at The Resort tested positive — 56 of 135 residents as well as 31 staffers. One patient has since died.

"We know how it happened," Armstrong said, explaining that after one staffer tested positive for COVID-19, Galveston County officials tested all other people at the facility on April 2. What they uncovered was one of the largest outbreaks in the Houston region.

"One staffer spread it to other staffers ... and each of them could work with 20 to 30 patients a day," Armstrong said.

So unless the UK starts testing in the hospital and care homes, not just patients but staff, I fear it is just an exercise to manage the damage or hide behind the truth.

REXER · 11-04-2020 07:59PM

Professor Moriarty wrote: »

Whichever way you look at it, the UK government has grossly mismanaged the crisis. An underfunded and unprepared health service, lack of equipment, complacency, lies and under-reporting.

Boris has been consistently behind the curve from day one and it has got worse the longer it has gone on! Think back to the cruise ship off Japan, the Brits had to wait for what seemed like weeks after everyone else repatriated their own citizens and conditions on board were causing infections to run wild. At least one death if not more of people infected during delay was as a result of the Boris's team of yes men dithering!

The UK response to Covid-19 [MOD WARNING 1ST POST]

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