Covid19 Part XV - 15,251 in ROI (610 deaths) 2,645 in NI (194 deaths) (19/04) Read OP

Kermit.de.frog · 11-04-2020 04:15PM

Away With The Fairies wrote: »

Why is their lockdown not working?

It is working clearly in that it's restricting it.

But it seems they are struggling to make inroads beyond that.

11-04-2020 04:15PM

Nermal wrote: »

I think it’s you who doesn’t get that people will not tolerate restrictions as we have now persisting until a vaccine is developed.

If you want evidence, go down to your local park.

Lifting restrictions even a little will cause a spike. Suppression is a failure. Singapore proves it. Let’s stop wasting hundreds of millions a week on it.

The park in the closet town to where I live has been empty any time I've had to pass it for the last two weeks, including today.

I have however seem a good few runners and cyclists around during the same time on the roads around my area.

Obvious Desperate Breakfasts · 11-04-2020 04:16PM

cnocbui wrote: »

Source?

Far too lazy to search for it. But it makes sense anyway because you should be balancing getting enough vitamin D with protecting your skin from UV damage. Skin with suncream on it might not be good for topping up your vitamin D levels so what do you want - less vitamin D or melanoma? Melanoma is a sneaky hoor of a cancer. I know which I'd rather avoid.

cnocbui · 11-04-2020 04:18PM

Away With The Fairies wrote: »

Why is their lockdown not working?

Probably because the reasoning behind the lock down was fallacious and was done for the sake of expediency.

The Chinese found that roughly 70% of infections were withing family groups, so they set up fever clinics so that the infected were separated from healthy family members and not locked up with them to ensure they infected them also.

Western governments didn't want internment camps/fever hospitals.

Wibbs · 11-04-2020 04:21PM

cnocbui wrote: »

The Italians certainly could give lessons on presenting data in an aesthtically pleasing way: https://www.epicentro.iss.it/en/coronavirus/bollettino/Infografica_10aprile%20ENG.pdf

In fairness C the Italians could give lessons on presenting most things in an aesthetically pleasing way.

Nermal · 11-04-2020 04:22PM

Away With The Fairies wrote: »

Why is their lockdown not working?

It’s working very well at depleting their treasury and sending their living standards back to the 1950s.

cnocbui · 11-04-2020 04:23PM

Obvious Desperate Breakfasts wrote: »

Far too lazy to search for it. But it makes sense anyway because you should be balancing getting enough vitamin D with protecting your skin from UV damage. Skin with suncream on it might not be good for topping up your vitamin D levels so what do you want - less vitamin D or melanoma? Melanoma is a sneaky hoor of a cancer. I know which I'd rather avoid.

I know all about melanoma, and much more than I would like to, thanks. Not getting enough vitamin D is probably more likely to lead to negative health consequences than getting 15-20 min of sun exposure on your skin daily.

Away With The Fairies · 11-04-2020 04:23PM

cnocbui wrote: »

Probably because the reasoning behind the lock down was fallacious and was done for the sake of expediency.

The Chinese found that roughly 70% of infections were withing family groups, so they set up fever clinics so that the infected were separated from healthy family members and not locked up with them to ensure they infected them also.

Western governments didn't want internment camps/fever hospitals.

Would we not be better with isolation centers and isolate everybody with symptoms? I'd preferably like everybody to be tested and all positives isolated but the HSE thinks differently.

Strumms · 11-04-2020 04:25PM

Mr.S wrote: »

Guards need to seriously have a presence in parks are on days like this with sun, still some idiots ruining it for everyone.

I'm just back from a park in Glasnevin where for the duration of my walk there were two Gardai on bikes who were proactive in approaching anyone and everyone who were not practicing social distancing...

There was a large group maybe 10-12, adults and younger people sitting in the middle of the football pitch just sitting in a circle enjoying drinks and chatting. It looked a bit close from a distance but obviously it was hard to tell but as soon as the Gardai approached they spread out further.

kalkat2002 · 11-04-2020 04:26PM

When you try a partial lockdown in a country without garda what you get is an easter bank holiday out there
Well done for the ones staying home

cnocbui · 11-04-2020 04:27PM

Away With The Fairies wrote: »

Would we not be better with isolation centers and isolate everybody with symptoms? I'd preferably like everybody to be tested and all positives isolated but the HSE thinks differently.

Almost certainly would, but suitable venues are probably in short supply.

0gac3yjefb5sv7 · 11-04-2020 04:27PM

Are any figures released today? Assuming there's no press conference..

cloudatlas · 11-04-2020 04:28PM

munsterlegend wrote: »

Ireland and Scotland have similar populations but their dead numbers are extremely high in comparison.

Meh what’s a million between friends when it doesn’t support my argument....

Kermit.de.frog · 11-04-2020 04:28PM

The US is taking up an ever bigger presence when looking at daily fatalities alone in global terms

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Their total deaths have actually just passed Italy's.

Strazdas · 11-04-2020 04:30PM

Ivy Big Looter wrote: »

Are any figures released today? Assuming there's no press conference..

Yes, numbers are released every single day no matter what. Not sure about the briefing.

Downlinz · 11-04-2020 04:30PM

Away With The Fairies wrote: »

Why is their lockdown not working?

Deaths will take a while longer to reduce considering it can take 3 weeks of symptoms before many die.
It's being reported the case rates are remaining high as they're able to broaden the testing net rather than just testing those in high risk groups or within serious symptoms. Early indications are that the lockdown is working but it'll be another week before the deaths should start reducing in a major way.

easypazz · 11-04-2020 04:31PM

The UK are going to top the EU current + former members table by the looks of things.

murpho999 · 11-04-2020 04:32PM

beolight wrote: »

Better comparison for deaths is deaths per million of population

Following gleaned from Coronavirusworldometer

Deaths per million is the column to look at ...this is the true barometer of how effective Governments have been in preventing the spread.No government spin master will mention this they would much prefer to direct your attention to testing and how they are according to themselves almost world class

Take a look at the countries and compare the suite of measures they have used to combat the virus ... dare I say masks, transparency on hot spot locations, effective contact tracing , border restrictions, quarantine measures for visitors spring to mind. Would also be interesting to get any information on how good their health system is

https://www.worldometers.info/coronavirus/

Sweden 86
USA 54
Ireland 58
UK 50
Italy 312
France 202
Spain 342
Germany 32
Holland 147
Israel 11
Poland 5

China 2
New Zealand 0.4
Singapore 1
South Korea 4
Taiwan 0.3
Hong Kong 0.5

Your numbers seem to be wrong maybe some have updated since but the UK is 145 per million not 50 as you say.

Rest as below

Holland 154
Sweden 88
USA 60
Ireland 58
UK 145
Italy 322
France 202
Spain 350
Germany 33
Holland 147
Israel 11
Poland 5

In this light I don't think Ireland is doing too bed.

UK bad and probably worse in relaity due to how they record deaths.

Holland really bad when compared to neighbours, they don't really have a lockdown, people can roam about and people being told that children do not carry the virus and it's ok for kids to play with each other.

Sweden's policies starting to show as a failure too.

Ce he sin · 11-04-2020 04:33PM

Nermal wrote: »

I think it’s you who doesn’t get that people will not tolerate restrictions as we have now persisting until a vaccine is developed.

If you want evidence, go down to your local park.

Lifting restrictions even a little will cause a spike. Suppression is a failure. Singapore proves it. Let’s stop wasting hundreds of millions a week on it.

You've obviously got a much better solution. What might it be?

Gynoid · 11-04-2020 04:34PM

Nermal wrote: »

It’s working very well at depleting their treasury and sending their living standards back to the 1950s.

After all this is over I will await your reports back from an Italy that has been reduced to 1950s living standards. Can we make that deal?

Obvious Desperate Breakfasts · 11-04-2020 04:34PM

cnocbui wrote: »

I know all about melanoma, and much more than I would like to, thanks. Not getting enough vitamin D is probably more likely to lead to negative health consequences than getting 15-20 min of sun exposure on your skin daily.

I mean, I said 10 minutes and wasn't really rigid about it so what are you finding issue with?

EDit · 11-04-2020 04:35PM

easypazz wrote: »

The UK are going to top the EU current + former members table by the looks of things.

I actually think Belgium might end up topping it (sadly)

blackcard · 11-04-2020 04:36PM

Am I right in saying that over 50% of deaths in Ireland due to Covid-19 occurred in nursing/residential homes?

Blueshoe · 11-04-2020 04:37PM

Strumms wrote: »

Yes. I know a lot of Brazilians here and they talked about him with a general sense of fear when he was elected. Not a case of just disagreeing with his views and outlook... Worry for the country economy back home, families back home and the overall health of their nation. The word frequently mentioned in describing him.. ‘crazy’.. he certainly ticks most or all of those boxes.

He got 55% of the vote all the same so you must have been talking to people from the other 45%.
Do you know much about the president before him?

You'd swear Brazil was a utopia before he came along

Widdensushi · 11-04-2020 04:37PM

blackcard wrote: »

Am I right in saying that over 50% of deaths in Ireland due to Covid-19 occurred in nursing/residential homes?

54% I think was mentioned

iamwhoiam · 11-04-2020 04:37PM

I will be watching Virgin Media news from now on . Nice positive news as well as the data etc . Not a Mr Gloomy George Lee in sight .

Stheno · 11-04-2020 04:38PM

blackcard wrote: »

Am I right in saying that over 50% of deaths in Ireland due to Covid-19 occurred in nursing/residential homes?

156 of the 288 deaths to date were people who lived in nursing homes

munsterlegend · 11-04-2020 04:39PM

cloudatlas wrote: »

Meh what’s a million between friends when it doesn’t support my argument....

More like half a million!

Nermal · 11-04-2020 04:40PM

Ce he sin wrote: »

You've obviously got a much better solution. What might it be?

I do. Make our peace with the fact that about 10,000 of us will die.

Larbre34 · 11-04-2020 04:41PM

Makes you think, the UK are allegedly not even counting deaths in nursing homes and the like. Where are they at really....

Covid19 Part XV - 15,251 in ROI (610 deaths) 2,645 in NI (194 deaths) (19/04) Read OP

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