Covid19 Part XV - 15,251 in ROI (610 deaths) 2,645 in NI (194 deaths) (19/04) Read OP

threeball · 11-04-2020 09:39AM

Professor Moriarty wrote: »

His 'weaknesses' have caused 1,000s of people to die. His inability to comprehend that this virus would spread and kill meant that he promoted the idea that it was a hoax. Or maybe he just didn't give a sh1t.

He doesnt even know the difference between virus and bacteria. How could he understand how serious the situation is.

Jinglejangle69 · 11-04-2020 09:39AM

jackboy wrote: »

A straight talker would be better who gives the facts without plagiarising quotes from films. Leo is absolutely uninspiring but a good leader does not necessarily have to be inspiring. Being truthful and leading by example can be enough. Leo is playing to his weaknesses rather than his strengths.

As to who would be better, that is hard to answer as how can we judge someone who is not experienced in dealing with a situation like this. The only person we can truly judge at the moment is Leo. That may seem unfair but that’s the way it is.

Do you need a leader to inspire you in life?

Are you that insecure?

Do you need someone to hold your hand?

The message is simple.

Stay at home and put your big boy pants on.

Beasty · 11-04-2020 09:40AM

B9K9 wrote: »

Am I missing something here.
If we (or any country) test less, our statistics will look better as regards infection rate, but worse as regards case fatality rate.
Therefore many comparisons are flawed due to either greater or lesser number of tests per million population.

Infection rates are pretty meaningless in virtually all countries. There's a fair chance that the majority of those infected will never be tested. The number of positives is a factor of the numbers tested and very little else, except for those countries such as Germany and South Korea who have carried out widespread testing

Hamsterchops · 11-04-2020 09:41AM

Rvsmmnps wrote: »

Another day where this has been blown out of proportion.

I know what you mean .... and sometimes I think the same myself like the Brazilian President (RTE News) who has scoffd at such mild symptoms, but then on the other hand we hear about people in an awful state, gasping for breath & dying.

It seems to me that this Covid-19 virus is playing Russian Roulette with us, so God help you if the next shot has a live round in it.

ZX7R · 11-04-2020 09:42AM

US2 wrote: »

Polands population is 8 times that of Ireland.

Poland has 7 land borders.

6000 cases 180 deaths.

Ireland is an island surrounded by water

8000 cases 280 deaths.

Keep those ferrys and planes coming tho, shur it's only irish people coming home, as if they cant be infected because they are irish.

TONY HOLOHAN SAID HE DOES NOT EXPECT COMMUNITY SPREAD AFTER PEOPLE WHO HADNT TRAVELLED OR BEEN IN CONTACT WITH A CONFIRMED CASE TESTED POSITIVE.. AFTER!?

Dont listen to him. Think for yourself,, protect yourself and your family dont listen to this proven liar.

Women waiting 12+ months for cervical cancer tests, and after 12 months waiting told they need to be tested again !

how can you believe this guys figures.

Poland are testing less than Ireland.
Poland are only testing of people who end up in hospital.
Poland are only recording deaths from Poland.
Poland are to open there borders the 5th of may

coastwatch · 11-04-2020 09:42AM

Wombatman wrote: »

The German results should be included in the daily figures. The German lab just needs to send a simple report each day with the number of test completed and the number of positive cases.

No need for any hold up. We need results as quickly as possible so contact tracing can start or patients can get the correct treatment.

Absolutely no need to wait days to include the German numbers in a separate batch. Confusing and unnecessary.

Not if they were for older 3 week old tests, which would make them just history.

The daily updates reported need to be the most recent 2-7 days to be of any use in measuring the rate of spread.

Gretas Gonna Get Ya! · 11-04-2020 09:43AM

Professor Moriarty wrote: »

But if you had to choose. Considering you said that the US are "doing better", US or Ireland over the next two months?

The problem with my answer to this, is that when it comes to my country... the heart will unfortunately rule the head.

If this ship is sinking, I'll be going down with it.

Obviously also depends on where you're living in the U.S... New York is worse hit than many countries. More rural U.S states are relatively unaffected - and may continue to be.

I still think Ireland will likely do worse long term than the U.S. They've been very slow to move, but once the geers have started to turn, I think they'll get a handle on this quicker than many people realise.

The funny thing is, all the ridicule that people aim at America... but guess who will be the most likely to produce a workable vaccine in the near future? (Or a viable therapeutic drug - also most likely to come from the states!) :rolleyes:

jackboy · 11-04-2020 09:43AM

Jinglejangle69 wrote: »

Do you need a leader to inspire you in life?

Are you that insecure?

Do you need someone to hold your hand?

The message is simple.

Stay at home and put your big boy pants on.

We are talking about Leo’s leadership, not whether a leader is required.

fits · 11-04-2020 09:45AM

Wibbs wrote: »

But are there more? Or are people, including GP's more likely to focus on such things in the current crisis? Sudden adult death syndrome, or SADS is common enough already. It's why there's been the drive for defibrillator machines
in public places and a recognition of the condition that kills a fair number of young healthy people every year. I lost a good friend to it twenty years ago, when it wasn't so well known among the public.

I don’t know honestly. But it appears to match those reports of people dropping in the streets in China.. Unfortunately at this stage of pandemic we don’t have much more to go on than anecdotes.

Jinglejangle69 · 11-04-2020 09:45AM

jackboy wrote: »

We are talking about Leo’s leadership, not whether a leader is required.

Just follow the advice and stay at home.

You're not a child, you don't need leadership.

Professor Moriarty · 11-04-2020 09:45AM

Gretas Gonna Get Ya! wrote: »

The problem with my answer to this, is that when it comes to my country... the heart will unfortunately rule the head.

If this ship is sinking, I'll be going down with it.

Obviously also depends on where you're living in the U.S... New York is worse hit than many countries. More rural U.S states are relatively unaffected - and my continue to be.

I still think Ireland will likely do worse long term than the U.S. They've been very slow to move, but once the geers have started to turn, I think they'll get a handle on this quicker than many people realise.

The funny thing is, all the ridicule that people aim at America... but guess who will be the most likely to produce a workable vaccine in the near future? (Or a viable therapeutic drug - also most likely to come from the states!) :rolleyes:

Your patriotism notwithstanding, if your only goal was to live through this pandemic, US or Ireland?

Jinglejangle69 · 11-04-2020 09:45AM

fits wrote: »

I don’t know honestly. But it appears to match those reports of people dropping in the streets in China.. Unfortunately at this stage of pandemic we don’t have much more to go on than anecdotes.

More scaremongering and lies.

Blueshoe · 11-04-2020 09:47AM

Jinglejangle69 wrote: »

Just follow the advice and stay at home.

You're not a child, you don't need leadership.

Is that just during the pandemic or should we not bother with any heads of state going forward?
No more governments figure it out yourself , big boy pants etc.

I like your style but it's not really realistic is it

jackboy · 11-04-2020 09:49AM

Jinglejangle69 wrote: »

Just follow the advice and stay at home.

You're not a child, you don't need leadership.

Sorry to disappoint you but I won’t stay at home.

I will go to work Monday to Friday as always. When I need groceries I will go to the supermarket. When I need petrol I will go to the petrol station. When I want to go for a walk I will walk 2 km from my house.

11-04-2020 09:49AM

Wombatman wrote: »

The German results should be included in the daily figures. The German lab just needs to send a simple report each day with the number of test completed and the number of positive cases.

No need for any hold up. We need results as quickly as possible so contact tracing can start or patients can get the correct treatment.

Absolutely no need to wait days to include the German numbers in a separate batch. Confusing and unnecessary.

What are you talking about? They give the German reports every day (in the last few days when there have been German results). They give the numbers confirmed by Irish labs - the ongoing contemporary tests, which show the daily trend. And they give the combined figures.Two seperate figures.

What would be confusing is just to give the combined figure - as it would give the impression that there has been a huge jump in cases over the past couple of days. An upward acceleration.

Professor Moriarty · 11-04-2020 09:49AM

Blueshoe wrote: »

Is that just during the pandemic or should we not bother with any heads of state going forward?
No more governments figure it out yourself , big boy pants etc.

I like your style but it's not really realistic is it

What was your point about Leo's apartment and mortgage?

Jinglejangle69 · 11-04-2020 09:50AM

Blueshoe wrote: »

Is that just during the pandemic or should we not bother with any heads of state going forward?
No more governments figure it out yourself , big boy pants etc.

I like your style but it's not really realistic is it

Exactly.

I've been clear all along here.

Professor Moriarty · 11-04-2020 09:50AM

jackboy wrote: »

Sorry to disappoint you but I won’t stay at home.

I will go to work Monday to Friday as always. When I need groceries I will go to the supermarket. When I need petrol I will go to the petrol station. When I want to go for a walk I will walk 2 km from my house.

Great. As long as you don't infect anyone and someone dies as a result.

expectationlost · 11-04-2020 09:51AM

jackboy wrote: »

A straight talker would be better who gives the facts without plagiarising quotes from films. Leo is absolutely uninspiring but a good leader does not necessarily have to be inspiring. Being truthful and leading by example can be enough. Leo is playing to his weaknesses rather than his strengths.

As to who would be better, that is hard to answer as how can we judge someone who is not experienced in dealing with a situation like this. The only person we can truly judge at the moment is Leo. That may seem unfair but that’s the way it is.

it could be michael martin soon

Jinglejangle69 · 11-04-2020 09:51AM

jackboy wrote: »

Sorry to disappoint you but I won’t stay at home.

I will go to work Monday to Friday as always. When I need groceries I will go to the supermarket. When I need petrol I will go to the petrol station. When I want to go for a walk I will walk 2 km from my house.

Yep that works.

Blueshoe · 11-04-2020 09:51AM

Jinglejangle69 wrote: »

Exactly.

I've been clear all along here.

Great. So free for all. No government ,taxes, law or any type of centralised system. None of that auld ****e

Sounds good to me.

cloudatlas · 11-04-2020 09:54AM

https://www.google.co.uk/amp/s/globalnews.ca/news/6805414/coronavirus-south-korea-reinfection-canada/amp/

91 re-infected covid 19 patients in South Korea.

Tea Shock · 11-04-2020 09:57AM

Blueshoe wrote: »

Great. So free for all. No government ,taxes, law or any type of centralised system. None of that auld ****e

Sounds good to me.

I look forward to your non-complaining when you're personally paying for your own police, fire brigade, nursing/doctoring, teaching, infrastructure etc services on demand.

Wombatman · 11-04-2020 09:59AM

1641 wrote: »

What are you talking about? They give the German reports every day (in the last few days when there have been German results). They give the numbers confirmed by Irish labs - the ongoing contemporary tests, which show the daily trend. And they give the combined figures.Two seperate figures.

What would be confusing is just to give the combined figure - as it would give the impression that there has been a huge jump in cases over the past couple of days. An upward acceleration.

Do an adjustment for the German backlog and include the rest in daily. There should really be no backlog from today.

Why in the hell does it matter where the bloody lab is?

The swabs as shipped to Germany, hopfully each day. The results should be available after a couple of days.

What ever German completed and confirmed figures they have at the end of the day, should be included with the Irish lab figures.

Gretas Gonna Get Ya! · 11-04-2020 10:02AM

Professor Moriarty wrote: »

Your patriotism notwithstanding, if your only goal was to live through this pandemic, US or Ireland?

I could survive this in either country.

The real question is what will both countries look like, after the bell tolls on this... which will be a country actually worth living in?

We're also locked into the EU, with at least 2 countries in Spain and Italy that were near economic basket cases before this began...

The German finance minister committed suicide, apparently because of deep worries over the state that this will leave the EU in.

So yeah, if I had to hitch my wagon to any federation right now... and I leave patriotism out of the equation, I'd probably take my chances with the good old USofA. Looks like the safer bet right now!

Blueshoe · 11-04-2020 10:02AM

Tea Shock wrote: »

I look forward to your non-complaining when you're personally paying for your own police, fire brigade, nursing/doctoring, teaching, infrastructure etc services on demand.

They won't exist under your man's new world. Put the fire out yourself, there are no laws so no police. There won't be any health system because there won't be any taxes to pay for it. No schools either.
.I won't be paying for anything because I won't have a job.

Akabusi · 11-04-2020 10:04AM

Gretas Gonna Get Ya! wrote: »

I could survive this in either country.

The real question is what will both countries look like, after the bell tolls on this... which will be a country actually worth living in?

We're also locked into the EU, with at least 2 countries in Spain and Italy that were near economic basket cases before this began...

The German finance minister committed suicide, apparently because of deep worries over the state that this will leave the EU in.

So yeah, if I had to hitch my wagon to any federation right now... and I leave patriotism out of the equation, I'd probably take my chances with the good old USofA. Looks like the safer bet right now!

It wasnt the top finance minister. I think he was a finance minister for one of the 16 regions

Drumpot · 11-04-2020 10:05AM

Wombatman wrote: »

Do an adjustment for the German backlog and include the rest in daily. There should really be no backlog from today.

Why in the hell does it matter where the bloody lab is?

The swabs as shipped to Germany, hopfully each day. The results should be available after a couple of days.

What ever German completed and confirmed figures they have at the end of the day, should be included with the Irish lab figures.

Totally agree. This shows why following stats sights and sticking rigidly to official statistics is relatively unreliable. Yes they are interesting for information but it’s incomplete information.

If you can only test 100 people , your rate of infected will rise slower and never go above this figure. The more you can test the more accurate the information. If we are testing more I would be actually trying to include them on daily figures but actually adding them to the day the person went for the test. They don’t have to do this publically but knowing when people went for the test Is more relevant then announcing a person is infected weeks later.

coastwatch · 11-04-2020 10:07AM

Wombatman wrote: »

Do an adjustment for the German backlog and include the rest in daily. There should really be no backlog from today.

Why in the hell does it matter where the bloody lab is?

The swabs as shipped to Germany, hopfully each day. The results should be available after a couple of days.

What ever German completed and confirmed figures they have at the end of the day, should be included with the Irish lab figures.

Not if they are older "backlog" 3 week old tests, which would make them just history.

The daily updates reported need to be the most recent 2-7 days to be of any use in measuring the rate of spread.

blackcard · 11-04-2020 10:08AM

Have I this right?

1) Tony Holohan will give results later today 11/04/20 of all the test results from Irish laboratories up to 12 noon on 10/04/20. Total A.

He will also reveal the number of deaths up to 12 noon on 10/04/20. He will go on to give details about the deaths e.g. males/females, median age, underlying conditions, etc.

2) He will also reveal the amount of positive results from tests that were analyzed by German laboratories. These are added to the total A to give Total B, the total for all laboratories up to 12 noon on 10/4/20. These results are from older tests and if included in the headline figure could give the impression that there was suddenly a huge increase in the number of positive tests.

3) He will also refer to the total number of positive results from Irish laboratories for the period 12 noon on 10/04/20 to 12 noon on 11/4/20. This figure is added to Total A to give Total C, the up to date total.

The HSE has not had time to collate the data relating to this last 24 hour period but will include this when reporting tomorrow 12/04/20

Not sure if 3) above is correct and if we are a day behind in reporting of deaths

Covid19 Part XV - 15,251 in ROI (610 deaths) 2,645 in NI (194 deaths) (19/04) Read OP

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