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The UK response to Covid-19 [MOD WARNING 1ST POST]

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  • #2582
    gmisk
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 34,912 ✭✭✭✭gmisk


    Risteard81 wrote: »
    Leo is a liar. His unelected regime must go. He is an affront to this country. No respect for him. Utter charlatan.
    It is not a regime ffs.
    No other party/parties have formed a new government. An affront? How so?
    You don't have to respect him.

    I am no fan of him but FG have coped relatively well with a pandemic imo.


  • #2583
    theological
    Closed Accounts Posts: 1,831 ✭✭✭theological


    Enzokk wrote: »
    You do realize that some cases of people working from home and some practicing social distancing early doesn't mean it was widespread or policy? Did you not see the story of police in Greater Manchester having to break up 600 parties since the start of the lockdown? Do you think they got to all of the parties held?

    There are idiots everywhere. They aren't just confined to the UK.


  • #2584
    Risteard81
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 2,566 ✭✭✭Risteard81


    gmisk wrote: »
    It is not a regime ffs.
    No other party/parties have formed a new government. An affront? How so?
    You don't have to respect him.

    I am no fan of him but FG have coped relatively well with a pandemic imo.

    Totalitarianism is not a good way of dealing with it.

    Ruling by diktat - and you seriously think this is an acceptable way to run things?

    He belongs in jail.


  • #2585
    gmisk
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 34,912 ✭✭✭✭gmisk


    theological wrote: »
    There are idiots everywhere. They aren't just confined to the UK.
    The UK does seem to have a high number per head though.
    https://www.bbc.com/news/uk-england-manchester-52221688


  • #2586
    meeeeh
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 11,612 ✭✭✭✭meeeeh


    theological wrote: »
    I disagree that the measures were radically different. I explained this in this post. A large portion of people were distancing from March 9th. Working from home was officially encouraged on March 16th before being made legally mandatory on March 23rd.

    It doesn't matter who was working at home. Hundreds of thousands of people attended sporting events where there was no social distancing. No working environment is as dangerous as a football match and celebrations in pubs.


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  • #2587
    gmisk
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 34,912 ✭✭✭✭gmisk


    Enzokk wrote: »
    You do realize that some cases of people working from home and some practicing social distancing early doesn't mean it was widespread or policy? Did you not see the story of police in Greater Manchester having to break up 600 parties since the start of the lockdown? Do you think they got to all of the parties held?
    It wasn't 600 since the lockdown...it was 660 in one weekend...so even worse.


  • #2588
    gmisk
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 34,912 ✭✭✭✭gmisk


    Risteard81 wrote: »
    Totalitarianism is not a good way of dealing with it.

    Ruling by diktat - and you seriously think this is an acceptable way to run things?

    He belongs in jail.
    I don't think you understand the meaning of most of those words.
    What exactly would he be in jail for? Absolute nonsense.


  • #2589
    Risteard81
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 2,566 ✭✭✭Risteard81


    gmisk wrote: »
    I don't think you understand the meaning of most of those words.
    What exactly would he be in jail for? Absolute nonsense.

    For treason.

    And I know what all of the words mean. I'm much more intelligent than you.


  • #2590
    A Dub in Glasgo
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 18,459 ✭✭✭✭A Dub in Glasgo


    theological wrote: »
    I disagree that the measures were radically different. I explained this in this post. A large portion of people were distancing from March 9th. Working from home was officially encouraged on March 16th before being made legally mandatory on March 23rd.

    Sensible folk who were watching the news were implementing their own measures well before the official guidance

    The 'encouragement' on the 16th to work from home was just that, my team were texting me in the evening of the 16th asking about wfh and I waited for our company announcement which never came so I told them to stay at home the next day (Tuesday). Emails went around from the senior team on the 17th to get everyone back in the office which we did on Wednesday 18th until the end of the week. I had assertive discussions about what we should be doing but the response was the govt has only suggested. It was not until the 23rd that they listened


  • #2591
    Joe_ Public
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 13,023 ✭✭✭✭Joe_ Public


    Professor Moriarty wrote: »
    It's almost as if this Tory government were scrambling for cover. No, we weren't too late in implementing containment measures. No, our healthcare infrastructure is adequate. No, our numbers are correct. No, I'll wander around a Covid-19 ward and shake everybody's hands.

    Although not made explicit, i think it's interesting observing how their strategy is evolving. They have effectively made the care sector a "second front", having seen how the hospitals in Italy and elsewhere broke under the strain, they hope by ensuring elderly patients (over 75 seems to be some kind of arbitrary cut off point) are kept out of hospitals, they can avoid them being swamped and protect doctors from having to make the kind of harrowing decisions we've seen elsewhere.

    The issue with that is not only what value it puts on elderly lives, it also means just putting the chain of risk lower down as care workers struggle with chronic ppe shortages and lack of training for the responsibilities being asked of them. Two care workers died last tuesday, one of them 25 years old. People in this "second front" speak of being abandoned and put in a dangerous and hopeless position.

    And one obvious side effect of this policy is that official figures are likely to look more artificially positive. Obviously not the main purpose but i doubt they'd complain too much about it.


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  • #2592
    meeeeh
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 11,612 ✭✭✭✭meeeeh


    gmisk wrote: »
    It wasn't 600 since the lockdown...it was 660 in one weekend...so even worse.

    In fairness that could be also just police doing their job.

    I'm not overly bothered about people slightly breaking the rules where I live because it's not overrun and neither we are in the area with high rate of infection but there is no way I only meet people from inside 2km going for a walk. And quite a few over 70 or not members of the same household .


  • #2593
    Enzokk
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 6,070 ✭✭✭Enzokk


    theological wrote: »
    There are idiots everywhere. They aren't just confined to the UK.


    Sure, look at the idiots in the pubs in Ireland when the government here tried sensible measures and they totally disregarded it and it led to the pubs being closed. Yet you are trying to tell us that people will be idiots and disregard rules of the lockdown to save lives but there was widespread and effective common sense being applied all over the UK before the UK government even realized themselves they were either not listening or got new information or realized they were wrong and made a massive u-turn.

    When close to 1000 people are officially, for now, dying in the hospitals every day and people cannot realize the seriousness of what is happening and will disregard the rules, then you will have to be the greatest salesmen in the world to sell to me that the measures some people took before the government told them was in any way widespread or effective in the UK.


  • #2594
    gmisk
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 34,912 ✭✭✭✭gmisk


    Risteard81 wrote: »
    For treason.

    And I know what all of the words mean. I'm much more intelligent than you.

    Treason shall consist only in levying war against the State, or assisting any State or person or inciting or conspiring with any person to levy war against the State, or attempting by force of arms or other violent means to overthrow the organs of government established by this Constitution, or taking part or being concerned in or inciting or conspiring with any person to make or to take part or be concerned in any such attempt.

    So yeah......good luck with that.
    You don't half type a lot of tosh.


  • #2595
    Risteard81
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 2,566 ✭✭✭Risteard81


    gmisk wrote: »
    Treason shall consist only in levying war against the State, or assisting any State or person or inciting or conspiring with any person to levy war against the State, or attempting by force of arms or other violent means to overthrow the organs of government established by this Constitution, or taking part or being concerned in or inciting or conspiring with any person to make or to take part or be concerned in any such attempt.

    So yeah......good luck with that.
    You don't half type a lot of tosh.

    He's subverting his own beloved 1937 Constitution.

    Also the 1937 Constitution does not permit an emergency to be declared for a medical reason.


  • #2596
    Salary Negotiator
    Closed Accounts Posts: 1,138 ✭✭✭Salary Negotiator


    Risteard81 wrote: »
    For treason.

    And I know what all of the words mean. I'm much more intelligent than you.

    All of the words or all of those words?

    I find it hard to believe that you understand all of the words and the fact that you would make such a claim makes me doubt your intelligence.


  • #2597
    Risteard81
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 2,566 ✭✭✭Risteard81


    Salary Negotiator wrote: »
    All of the words or all of those words?

    I find it hard to believe that you understand all of the words and the fact that you would make such a claim makes me doubt your intelligence.

    Don't doubt my intelligence. it grossly exceeds yours.


  • #2598
    Salary Negotiator
    Closed Accounts Posts: 1,138 ✭✭✭Salary Negotiator


    Risteard81 wrote: »
    Don't doubt my intelligence. it grossly exceeds yours.

    I think you mean vastly :rolleyes:


  • #2599
    Seth Brundle
    Moderators, Politics Moderators, Paid Member Posts: 43,926 Mod ✭✭✭✭Seth Brundle


    Risteard81 wrote: »
    The totalitarian state is unacceptable.
    Ok goodbye!


  • #2600
    Seth Brundle
    Moderators, Politics Moderators, Paid Member Posts: 43,926 Mod ✭✭✭✭Seth Brundle


    Risteard81 wrote: »
    Totalitarianism is not a good way of dealing with it.

    Ruling by diktat - and you seriously think this is an acceptable way to run things?

    He belongs in jail.
    Are you bored now that the schools are closed?


  • #2601
    Risteard81
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 2,566 ✭✭✭Risteard81


    Seth Brundle wrote: »
    Are you bored now that the schools are closed?

    No. It's not me who sits outside the playgrounds at lunchtime peeking.


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  • #2602
    Professor Moriarty
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 14,392 ✭✭✭✭Professor Moriarty


    Risteard81 wrote: »
    No. It's not me who sits outside the playgrounds at lunchtime peeking.

    Risteard, this isn't a NI thread. Just let it go.


  • #2603
    Tokyo
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 22,655 ✭✭✭✭Tokyo


    Mod:

    This is getting ridiculous.

    @Risteard81 - quit it with the rhetoric. Provide some sort of backup for your claims instead of going over the same ground again and again.

    Also, your last post came very close to earning you an infraction. Post like that again, and it will earn you a threadban.

    @everyone else - quit it with the snarky one-liners, sly digs and actually discuss. Threadbans will be handed out if it continues.


  • #2604
    bob mcbob
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 970 ✭✭✭bob mcbob


    Joe_ Public wrote: »
    Patients have been sent back to care homes even after they have tested positive too.

    https://www.theguardian.com/society/2020/apr/02/uk-care-home-bosses-threaten-quit-over-return-coronavirus-patients

    Ok where in the article does it say that? Can you supply the quote please.

    For me there is only this -

    She currently has two residents in hospital who doctors want to return to the home, without testing them. “I’m going to give both residents notice tomorrow morning so we don’t have to take them back,” she said.

    It does not even state why they were in hospital far less state that they tested positive.


  • #2605
    Enzokk
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 6,070 ✭✭✭Enzokk


    bob mcbob wrote: »
    It does not even state why they were in hospital far less state that they tested positive.


    Does it matter why they were admitted to hospital for?


  • #2606
    Joe_ Public
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 13,023 ✭✭✭✭Joe_ Public


    bob mcbob wrote: »
    Ok where in the article does it say that? Can you supply the quote please.

    For me there is only this -

    She currently has two residents in hospital who doctors want to return to the home, without testing them. “I’m going to give both residents notice tomorrow morning so we don’t have to take them back,” she said.

    It does not even state why they were in hospital far less state that they tested positive.

    Ok, we'll accept that and correct the record. If care homes are not accepting confirmed covid-19 patients it is due to care home leaders refusing to bow to official pressure for them to do so. Let's see how things develop here.


  • #2607
    A Dub in Glasgo
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 18,459 ✭✭✭✭A Dub in Glasgo


    Scotland:
    In hospital: 1,832 (+51)
    In ICU: 207 (-5)
    Total confirmed cases: 5,275 (+318)
    Total deaths with confirmed COVID-19: 495 (+48)


  • #2608
    bob mcbob
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 970 ✭✭✭bob mcbob


    Enzokk wrote: »
    Does it matter why they were admitted to hospital for?

    Here's one scenario for you -

    2 OAPs are admitted to hospital due to fractures after falling. They are held in hospital for observation for a while and are now ready to be released back to their care home as usual. The doctors are trying to release them as normal but care homes refuse without a Covid test.

    So they remain in hospital - great result all round !!!!


  • #2609
    Professor Moriarty
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 14,392 ✭✭✭✭Professor Moriarty


    bob mcbob wrote: »
    Here's one scenario for you -

    2 OAPs are admitted to hospital due to fractures after falling. They are held in hospital for observation for a while and are now ready to be released back to their care home as usual. The doctors are trying to release them as normal but care homes refuse without a Covid test.

    So they remain in hospital - great result all round !!!!

    What happens if they pick up Covid-19 in hospital and are returned back to the care home?


  • #2610
    bob mcbob
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 970 ✭✭✭bob mcbob


    Professor Moriarty wrote: »
    What happens if they pick up Covid-19 in hospital and are returned back to the care home?

    What happens to the next 2 OAPs with fractures who cannot be admitted to hospital because there are no free beds?

    I am sure then the care homes will then be on to the press will be on saying NHS is breaking down because OAPs can no longer be admitted to hospital.

    In the current world we live in, all decisions have consequences.


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  • #2611
    Professor Moriarty
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 14,392 ✭✭✭✭Professor Moriarty


    bob mcbob wrote: »
    What happens to the next 2 OAPs with fractures who cannot be admitted to hospital because there are no free beds?

    I am sure then the care homes will then be on to the press will be on saying NHS is breaking down because OAPs can no longer be admitted to hospital.

    In the current world we live in, all decisions have consequences.

    Which is the lesser of two evils? Or perhaps they could just test the elderly people before sending them back. Wouldn't that make perfect sense?


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