Coronavirus Pandemic Information- Local and Worldwide

Buford T. Justice XIX · 07-04-2020 03:16PM

Atmospheric pollution leads to higher mortality in Covid19 patients. Northern Italy would have a larger industrial base and more pollution and has much higher mortality rates than the rest of Italy for Covid19.
https://www.sciencedirect.com/science/article/pii/S0269749120320601?via%3Dihub

Buford T. Justice XIX · 07-04-2020 03:19PM

And a nice gesture from FBD through the FRS.
https://twitter.com/FJDairy/status/1247523694240583680?s=19

whelan2 · 07-04-2020 08:44PM

36 deaths today

Reggie. · 07-04-2020 08:44PM

whelan2 wrote: »

36 deaths today

Fair jump

Birdnuts · 08-04-2020 01:25AM

Just watching Al Jaazera atm and the spread of Covid in the likes of South America and Africa is really starting to take off - given the already poor state of most health facilities in these regions things will get ugly very fast eg Ecuador has already run out of coffins for victims!!:(

yosemitesam1 · 08-04-2020 10:09AM

https://www.irishtimes.com/opinion/consultants-want-private-business-exempt-from-national-effort-to-save-lives-1.4221982?mode=amp

Quite a bit of bias creeping into the media. Contrast that article with the examiner...

https://amp.irishexaminer.com/breakingnews/ireland/private-doctors-warn-proposed-covid-contract-will-create-new-public-waiting-list-problem-992452.html

08-04-2020 12:12PM

Birdnuts wrote: »

Just watching Al Jaazera atm and the spread of Covid in the likes of South America and Africa is really starting to take off - given the already poor state of most health facilities in these regions things will get ugly very fast eg Ecuador has already run out of coffins for victims!!:(

Maybe a week ago there was a piece on radio wondering whether we will have a two tier world in relation to travel soon. The countries that get C19 under control and those that can't or don't. That travel to the latter may be restricted or banned due to the risk of bringing C19 on to a plane and spreading it God knows where.

alps · 08-04-2020 12:16PM

Daughter has had a small operation cancelled for the Mater Cork and cant get any answer if it will be rescheduled or if she now has to go on a public waiting list. Meanwhile a neighbour, nurse in the Mater has been told to take holidays as they have only 4 inpatients..
Michael OKeeffe, consultant, on the tonight show last night claims the Bons has only 6 in patients....wtf is up!!
Surely you would keep these hospitals working up to the point you commandeer them.

HSE obviously paying now to keep them idle..

Is there a move to nationalise the whole service now, as in never waste a good crisis..?

yosemitesam1 · 08-04-2020 12:38PM

alps wrote: »

Daughter has had a small operation cancelled for the Mater Cork and cant get any answer if it will be rescheduled or if she now has to go on a public waiting list. Meanwhile a neighbour, nurse in the Mater has been told to take holidays as they have only 4 inpatients..
Michael OKeeffe, consultant, on the tonight show last night claims the Bons has only 6 in patients....wtf is up!!
Surely you would keep these hospitals working up to the point you commandeer them.

HSE obviously paying now to keep them idle..

Is there a move to nationalise the whole service now, as in never waste a good crisis..?

Cue

"This week will be critical"

"The surge is yet to hit"

"Keep flattening the curve"

Similar situations in hospitals being reported around the world

arctictree · 08-04-2020 01:04PM

whelan2 wrote: »

36 deaths today

I wonder how does that compare to the same day last year?

A bit crude but I did a quick search on rip.ie

3600 died in March 2019
3920 died in March 2020

I wonder what the April figures will be like?

Dakota Dan · 08-04-2020 01:41PM

yosemitesam1 wrote: »

Cue

"This week will be critical"

"The surge is yet to hit"

"Keep flattening the curve"

Similar situations in hospitals being reported around the world

Hospitals are practically empty nurses laid off and the media wanting people to believe there are emigrants coming home to help out.

carrollsno1 · 08-04-2020 03:10PM

[Deleted User] wrote: »

Maybe a week ago there was a piece on radio wondering whether we will have a two tier world in relation to travel soon. The countries that get C19 under control and those that can't or don't. That travel to the latter may be restricted or banned due to the risk of bringing C19 on to a plane and spreading it God knows where.

Somerhing im petrified of in case it stops me getting back into Australia.

emaherx · 08-04-2020 03:24PM

arctictree wrote: »

I wonder how does that compare to the same day last year?

A bit crude but I did a quick search on rip.ie

3600 died in March 2019
3920 died in March 2020

I wonder what the April figures will be like?

Yes lucky we've acted quickly to keep deaths down (or maybe they are just yet to come). Compare deaths of March 2019 with March 2020 in northern Italy and you will see a significant difference.

yosemitesam1 · 08-04-2020 03:35PM

emaherx wrote: »

Yes lucky we've acted quickly to keep deaths down (or maybe they are just yet to come). Compare deaths of March 2019 with March 2020 in northern Italy and you will see a significant difference.

But compare 2019/20 European winter deaths with 2016/17, 2017/18 or 2018/19 and we are still well below all of them

Dakota Dan · 08-04-2020 04:13PM

yosemitesam1 wrote: »

But compare 2019/20 European winter deaths with 2016/17, 2017/18 or 2018/19 and we are still well below all of them

Here’s an interesting video,

https://m.youtube.com/watch?fbclid=IwAR0bUaDKCkI1exFoa82Af5TdLQGopMW9IasAR8OhrvdQjvhNXH6nHomeUqE&v=_5wn1qs_bBk&feature=youtu.be

emaherx · 08-04-2020 04:55PM

yosemitesam1 wrote: »

But compare 2019/20 European winter deaths with 2016/17, 2017/18 or 2018/19 and we are still well below all of them

Yes but an entire winters worth of death in a few weeks is a major issue and it's no where near finished yet and that's with all of these social distancing measures would be much worse if we had of continued as normal.

yosemitesam1 · 08-04-2020 05:30PM

emaherx wrote: »

Yes but an entire winters worth of death in a few weeks is a major issue and it's no where near finished yet and that's with all of these social distancing measures would be much worse if we had of continued as normal.

This winter had a lower amount of deaths than other years and even in Italy and Spain they've a long way to go to get near a bad flu season. The death rate might not be dropping down as quick as it might usually after winter but maybe after a low mortality winter that would be the case anyway. Coronavirus has a very long way to go to look like making a significant impact.

emaherx · 08-04-2020 05:33PM

yosemitesam1 wrote: »

This winter had a lower amount of deaths than other years and even in Italy and Spain they've a long way to go to get near a bad flu season. The death rate might not be dropping down as quick as it might usually after winter but maybe after a low mortality winter that would be the case anyway. Coronavirus has a very long way to go to look like making a significant impact.

What a load of bollocks

Italy's death rate is about 150% of normal. Hospital system is literally overwhelmed. How you can claim this is anything like normal is mind boggling.

yosemitesam1 · 08-04-2020 05:38PM

emaherx wrote: »

What a load of bollocks

Italy's death rate is about 150% of normal. Hospital system is literally overwhelmed. How you can claim this is anything like normal is mind boggling.

I'm basing what I said on the euromomo published data, what are you basing your post on?

emaherx · 08-04-2020 05:42PM

yosemitesam1 wrote: »

I'm basing what I said on the euromomo published data, what are you basing your post on?

What published data says this is normal?
Are Italian hospitals making up that they are overwhelmed way beyond any seasonal flu?

yosemitesam1 · 08-04-2020 05:47PM

emaherx wrote: »

What published data says this is normal?
Are Italian hospitals making up that they are overwhelmed way beyond any seasonal flu?

https://www.euromomo.eu/outputs/number.html

Have a look around there. Maybe you'll get an idea of why I am more of the opinion that panic and staff shortages are to be feared more than the virus. They've had much worse years for flu/pneumonia deaths.

emaherx · 08-04-2020 05:58PM

yosemitesam1 wrote: »

https://www.euromomo.eu/outputs/number.html

Have a look around there. Maybe you'll get an idea of why I am more of the opinion that panic and staff shortages are to be feared more than the virus. They've had much worse years for flu/pneumonia deaths.

Staff shortages don't account for the increased number of ventilators required.

yosemitesam1 · 08-04-2020 06:05PM

emaherx wrote: »

Staff shortages don't account for the increased number of ventilators required.

What do you make of the data on previous years deaths?

arctictree · 08-04-2020 06:32PM

I thought this week was supposed to be at or near peak. How come our hospitals are half empty?

emaherx · 08-04-2020 06:35PM

yosemitesam1 wrote: »

What do you make of the data on previous years deaths?

Can't pick Italy's data out of that can you? Many of the other countries are only being hit now.

yosemitesam1 · 08-04-2020 06:43PM

emaherx wrote: »

Can't pick Italy's data out of that can you? Many of the other countries are only being hit now.

https://www.euromomo.eu/outputs/images/Multicountry-zscore-Total.png

yosemitesam1 · 08-04-2020 06:52PM

arctictree wrote: »

I thought this week was supposed to be at or near peak. How come our hospitals are half empty?

The hype is all based on models, the models are based on a large amount of assumptions and assumptions are often wrong. The majority of people in hospital now we're infected before the lockdown started.

arctictree · 08-04-2020 07:25PM

yosemitesam1 wrote: »

The hype is all based on models, the models are based on a large amount of assumptions and assumptions are often wrong. The majority of people in hospital now we're infected before the lockdown started.

And also a large percentage of the fatalities are in nursing homes.

Mooooo · 08-04-2020 07:26PM

arctictree wrote: »

I thought this week was supposed to be at or near peak. How come our hospitals are half empty?

The private hospitals and consultant hours are being taken over by the public system so there are no private procedures happening. Already doctors on saying the administrators or whoever drafted it messed up, should have allowed procedures to work away until the extra capacity is needed as it will in turn create more of an unnesseccary back log

emaherx · 08-04-2020 07:39PM

yosemitesam1 wrote: »

The hype is all based on models, the models are based on a large amount of assumptions and assumptions are often wrong. The majority of people in hospital now we're infected before the lockdown started.

Or just because we all stayed at home?

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