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Is it just me or have SF vanished?

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  • #2522
    mattser
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 2,352 ✭✭✭mattser


    hmmm wrote: »
    SF learned their lesson during the financial crisis, and are keeping their mouths shut so they can tell us what they would have done when things inevitably go wrong. It's important they say nothing now just in case they get it wrong themselves.

    The ultimate hurlers on the ditch. Shirk responsibility at all costs, but mouth and perma whinge all the while.


  • #2523
    Mortelaro
    Closed Accounts Posts: 4,431 ✭✭✭Mortelaro


    FrancieBrady wrote: »
    Well that is totally 'fake news' because I don't think I ever typed the word Nphet and if I said they hadn't taken all the public health advice, it was an opinion.
    Ah an opinion was it
    An opinion with no evidence whatsoever
    It was fake news
    I've attached the post,you implied in trumpian fake news style that the government only implement some of the health officials advice (that would be NPHET)
    Fake news arising out of your Sinn fein devotion and FG hate
    As is your opinion that I will always believe they are failing at their job. I direct you to the Brexit threads were I consistently praised the performance of several FG ministers.

    L 0 L


  • #2524
    [Deleted User]
    Posts: 1,478 ✭✭✭ [Deleted User]


    hmmm wrote: »
    SF learned their lesson during the financial crisis, and are keeping their mouths shut so they can tell us what they would have done when things inevitably go wrong. It's important they say nothing now just in case they get it wrong themselves.

    Pretty much. It's terribly depressing but utterly predictable.


  • #2525
    Floppybits
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 8,064 ✭✭✭Floppybits


    Sultan_of_Ping wrote: »
    So, that's still a "no" and as I predicted someone went straight for the whataboutery card and the children's hospital.

    SF have zero track record of successfully delivering major change projects, if they didn't someone would've pointed to an example when asked.

    I wouldn't trust them with a bed pan, don't mind our whole health system.

    tell me what experience do FG and FF have in delivering major change projects on time and within budget?

    All I can see is FG and FF failing in this.


  • #2526
    FrancieBrady
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 74,050 ✭✭✭✭FrancieBrady


    Mortelaro wrote: »
    Ah an opinion was it
    An opinion with no evidence whatsoever
    It was fake news
    I've attached the post,you implied in trumpian fake news style that the government only implement some of the health officials advice (that would be NPHET)
    Fake news arising out of your Sinn fein devotion and FG hate



    L 0 L

    Where is the 'accusation' that they were not taking all the advice?
    That was a quote actually from Holohan or De Gascun on their role...nothing more.

    And if you listened to the Doctor on last night's Tonight show I think it was the O'Leary guy referenced by somebody a few posts ago, he was DEFINITELY saying that the government was ignoring the advice from private consultants/hospitals and forging through damaging measures.


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  • #2527
    aido79
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 5,374 ✭✭✭aido79


    FrancieBrady wrote: »
    No, although he too was fairly critical of what is happening. I was referring to a female doctor on the night before last.

    I didn't see her. He's always critical so hard to take any notice of what he says.


  • #2528
    FrancieBrady
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 74,050 ✭✭✭✭FrancieBrady


    aido79 wrote: »
    I didn't see her. He's always critical so hard to take any notice of what he says.

    Can't think of her name, she is a regular contributor and I think represents a GP body. Blonde lady.


  • #2529
    Ha Long Bay
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 18,444 ✭✭✭✭Ha Long Bay


    FrancieBrady wrote: »
    Can't think of her name, she is a regular contributor and I think represents a GP body. Blonde lady.

    Dr Nina Byrnes

    https://www.nkmanagement.ie/dr-nina-byrnes---profile.html


  • #2530
    FrancieBrady
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 74,050 ✭✭✭✭FrancieBrady


    john4321 wrote: »
    Dr Nina Byrnes

    https://www.nkmanagement.ie/dr-nina-byrnes---profile.html

    Correct...top of the class!


  • #2531
    Sultan_of_Ping
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 436 ✭✭Sultan_of_Ping


    Deleted User wrote: »
    Go on, explain how. There's always someone ready to play the victim card I suppose.

    .....and if you think partitioning the island hurt us, just wait until we get the bill for re-unification - Dermot Ferriter (who, according to some, is a sage, if he is criticising Varadkar so I'll assume he is an unimpeachable source on such matters) suggested as much in a recent article
    What that [SF's] analysis omits, however, is the thorny issue of who would pay for the current British subvention of Northern Ireland. Economists have come up with different perspectives on this, but a seamless transition without significant economic upheaval would seem a fantasy.


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  • #2532
    Mortelaro
    Closed Accounts Posts: 4,431 ✭✭✭Mortelaro


    FrancieBrady wrote: »
    Where is the 'accusation' that they were not taking all the advice?
    That was a quote actually from Holohan or De Gascun on their role...nothing more.

    Búllsh1t
    You made the comment
    Own it ,I've attached it again
    Your Sinn Féin zeal isn't infallible
    You just tried some fake news


  • #2533
    Suckit
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 11,211 ✭✭✭✭Suckit


    Mortelaro wrote: »
    And if they were trying to form a government, SF would be saying they're an arrogant power swap party
    Which is it?
    Who cares what SF say about them? FG don't, so why not try running with the most constructive at the time?
    Because, as mentioned, they were like a petulant schoolkid after being scolded.

    You do realise that you can compare any past scenario to how people might have reacted if the opposite were to have happened?


  • #2534
    Sultan_of_Ping
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 436 ✭✭Sultan_of_Ping


    Floppybits wrote: »
    tell me what experience do FG and FF have in delivering major change projects on time and within budget?

    All I can see is FG and FF failing in this.
    • The new Central Mental Hospital (€170m) came in on time and on budget
    • M11 extension (€400m) - compare that to the A5!!!
    • TU "Quads" project (€220m)

    ....and the public sector is totally sh1t at project management (about as competent as the Swiss and Germans), but don't be fooled into believing that there aren't people out there in SF who are more than capable of plumbing new, unheralded, depths of incompetency when it comes to governing large scale, publicly funded projects.

    Currently we might be comparable to the Swiss and Germans when it comes to PM'ing projects - it would be great if we could be more like the Nordics - but SF would make us more like the Venezuelans :D


  • #2535
    FrancieBrady
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 74,050 ✭✭✭✭FrancieBrady


    Mortelaro wrote: »
    Búllsh1t
    You made the comment
    Own it ,I've attached it again
    Your Sinn Féin zeal isn't infallible
    You just tried some fake news

    WTF: It actually says it was a health official that said it.

    And it doesn't say that the government HAVE NOT taken the advice no matter how much you want it to.


  • #2536
    Mortelaro
    Closed Accounts Posts: 4,431 ✭✭✭Mortelaro


    FrancieBrady wrote: »
    WTF: It actually says it was a health official that said it.

    And it doesn't say that the government HAVE NOT taken the advice no matter how much you want it to.

    You really are being a fake newser Sinn Féin poster now
    Zealous to the last
    The post you made was very clear in its intention and I called you on it straight away.
    You didnt say the government implements NPHET advice because then you'd have to criticise NPHET
    You phrased it so you could bash the government
    You never replied of course
    Here it is attached again
    Your fake news
    Own it :)


  • #2537
    FrancieBrady
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 74,050 ✭✭✭✭FrancieBrady


    Mortelaro wrote: »
    You really are being a fake newser Sinn Féin poster now
    Zealous to the last
    The post you made was very clear in its intention and I called you on it straight away.
    You didnt say the government implements NPHET advice because then you'd have to criticise NPHET
    You phrased it so you could bash the government
    You never replied of course
    Here it is attached again
    Your fake news
    Own it :)

    Oh whatever. I shouldnt interrupt you when you are making a defensive fool of yourself.

    My point all along has been anyone, FF FG SF PBP etc would have handled this crisis the same because the gocernment is in the main acting on expert advice.

    All would have had lapses too and made mistakes.
    Stop being so endearingly defensive. This government are not above scrutiny.


  • #2538
    Mortelaro
    Closed Accounts Posts: 4,431 ✭✭✭Mortelaro


    FrancieBrady wrote: »
    Oh whatever. I shouldnt interrupt you when you are making a defensive fool of yourself.

    My point all along has been anyone, FF FG SF PBP etc would have handled this crisis the same because the gocernment is in the main acting on expert advice.

    All would have had lapses too and made mistakes.
    Stop being so endearingly defensive. This government are not above scrutiny.

    But you made stuff up,you are that eager to criticise
    Just own it :)
    It's ok you know to be that zealous a Sinn Féin fan as to be Needy on the criticism front
    But theres no need to be making stuff up


  • #2539
    FrancieBrady
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 74,050 ✭✭✭✭FrancieBrady


    Mortelaro wrote: »
    But you made stuff up,you are that eager to criticise
    Just own it :)
    It's ok you know to be that zealous a Sinn Féin fan as to be Needy o6n the criticism front
    But theres no need to be making stuff up

    I didn't.

    Are YOU saying then that the government are JUST following expert advise?

    I don't think they are totally. That is my opinion.


  • #2540
    Mortelaro
    Closed Accounts Posts: 4,431 ✭✭✭Mortelaro


    FrancieBrady wrote: »
    I didn't.

    Are YOU saying then that the government are JUST following expert advise?

    I don't think they are totally. That is my opinion.

    Fake news
    I'm not saying anything other than you are making stuff up,you are that eager to criticise on behalf of your devotion, Sinn Féin


  • #2541
    FrancieBrady
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 74,050 ✭✭✭✭FrancieBrady


    Mortelaro wrote: »
    Fake news
    I'm not saying anything other than you are making stuff up,you are that eager to criticise on behalf of your devotion, Sinn Féin

    No problem owning my opinion.

    Nice to see you chicken out of following your own logic.
    Made my day Morte!


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  • #2542
    Mortelaro
    Closed Accounts Posts: 4,431 ✭✭✭Mortelaro


    FrancieBrady wrote: »
    No problem owning my opinion.

    Nice to see you chicken out of following your own logic.
    Made my day Morte!

    I'd say I've made your day alright...

    You posted stuff you made up (what you are only now saying was opinion) as fact in your zealousy for Sinn Fein criticism

    Fake news ,own it :)


  • #2543
    Suckit
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 11,211 ✭✭✭✭Suckit


    Mortelaro wrote: »
    You really are being a fake newser Sinn Féin poster now
    Zealous to the last
    The post you made was very clear in its intention and I called you on it straight away.
    You didnt say the government implements NPHET advice because then you'd have to criticise NPHET
    You phrased it so you could bash the government
    You never replied of course
    Here it is attached again
    Your fake news
    Own it :)
    https://www.boards.ie/vbulletin/attachment.php?attachmentid=508765&d=1586345523

    How is that fake news?

    The OP you quoted doesn't even say what you quoted yourself saying.
    Mortelaro wrote:
    Where have NPHET stated the government haven't acted on any of their advice, to prompt such a statement from you?
    Or is this more of your fake news?

    If you read the post you screenshotted again you will see that is not what was said in the post you quoted.


  • #2544
    Mortelaro
    Closed Accounts Posts: 4,431 ✭✭✭Mortelaro


    Suckit wrote: »
    How is that fake news?

    The OP you quoted doesn't even say what you quoted yourself saying.



    If you read the post you screenshotted again you will see that is not what was said in the post you quoted.

    Of course it's fake news when it's made up
    Maybe you could show me the proof I asked for in the post,that it wasn't made up, if Francie has asked for your assistance in the matter
    Post attached
    Fake news
    He should own it :)


  • #2545
    RandomViewer
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 6,191 ✭✭✭RandomViewer


    The FF/FG coalition will have trouble lasting, Coveney reduced to Danny Healy Raes junior minister, Micky "Baldrick" McGrath as finance minister , Varadker referred to openly as Micky Martin's pet .... Mother Josie and Passscal moved permanently to back benches. SF don't have to do anything FF/FG will implode without any help


  • #2546
    Floppybits
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 8,064 ✭✭✭Floppybits


    Sultan_of_Ping wrote: »
    • The new Central Mental Hospital (€170m) came in on time and on budget
    • M11 extension (€400m) - compare that to the A5!!!
    • TU "Quads" project (€220m)

    ....and the public sector is totally sh1t at project management (about as competent as the Swiss and Germans), but don't be fooled into believing that there aren't people out there in SF who are more than capable of plumbing new, unheralded, depths of incompetency when it comes to governing large scale, publicly funded projects.

    Currently we might be comparable to the Swiss and Germans when it comes to PM'ing projects - it would be great if we could be more like the Nordics - but SF would make us more like the Venezuelans :D

    You are being very generous there of FG and FF and putting the blame on the Public Sector an easy out. Sure they couldn't even get a printer installed correcrtly. How much of a budget over run is that? I blame the person that has overall responsibility for the Project and to me that is the person sponsoring it. It is way too easy for projects to run over budget because no one cares about the money because the money will be found usually by cutting costs in a frontline service or by inflicting an increase in taxation on the public.

    Also you seem to think that SF would be governing on their own when we all know that it would be a coalition so they will be reigned in on most aspects. FF and FG if you ask me are just as bad and as corrupt as you make SF out to be, they only difference is that FG and FF and more sneaky about it.


  • #2547
    Suckit
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 11,211 ✭✭✭✭Suckit


    Mortelaro wrote: »
    Of course it's fake news when it's made up
    Maybe you could show me the proof I asked for in the post,that it wasn't made up, if Francie has asked for your assistance in the matter
    Post attached
    Fake news
    He should own it :)


    Nobody asked for assistance, just getting tired of the thread pinging and to see it's you repeating "own it" like a 4 year old.

    The post you quoted in your screenshot says they give advice and the government decide what to act on.
    It doesn't say NPHET have stated the government haven't acted on their advice, which you say in the screenshot.


    And TBH, I couldn't give a toss, just please stop posting the exact same BS post over and over.


  • #2548
    Floppybits
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 8,064 ✭✭✭Floppybits


    RandomViewer wrote: »
    The FF/FG coalition will have trouble lasting, Coveney reduced to Danny Healy Raes junior minister, Micky "Baldrick" McGrath as finance minister , Varadker referred to openly as Micky Martin's pet .... Mother Josie and Passscal moved permanently to back benches. SF don't have to do anything FF/FG will implode without any help

    The FF/FG government will be the most under pressure government ever in the history of this state and that was even before the COVID crisis. They would have to start delivering from the very start or else they will be slaughtered and both parties and any others that go in with them would also be slaughtered.

    In saying that the pressure that they would be under would probably make them clean up their acts (wishful thinking) and start delivering for the people of the country first rather than what we have seen where it is themselves, their party, their friends, Family and supporters and then somewhere near the bottom of the list is the country. Time for country first.


  • #2549
    FrancieBrady
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 74,050 ✭✭✭✭FrancieBrady


    Suckit wrote: »
    Nobody asked for assistance, just getting tired of the thread pinging and to see it's you repeating "own it" like a 4 year old.

    The post you quoted in your screenshot says they give advice and the government decide what to act on.
    It doesn't say NPHET have stated the government haven't acted on their advice, which you say in the screenshot.


    And TBH, I couldn't give a toss, just please stop posting the exact same BS post over and over.

    You are spot on about this. Funny, hilariously funny that Mortelaro has hung his/her self on their own logic and will now pedal furiously away from it. 'Own it' as right! :)


  • #2550
    Mortelaro
    Closed Accounts Posts: 4,431 ✭✭✭Mortelaro


    Suckit wrote: »


    And TBH, I couldn't give a toss, just please stop posting the exact same BS post over and over.

    Haha, I just called it
    Ye dont like it,when ye are called out on fake news
    To be fair,now is not the time for makey uppey criticism and that's why Sinn Féin public reps are mostly shouldering wheels like the rest of us at the moment
    It's a pity the same cannot be said for some of their devotees on this forum


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  • #2551
    FrancieBrady
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 74,050 ✭✭✭✭FrancieBrady


    Mortelaro wrote: »
    Haha, I just called it
    Ye dont like it,when ye are called out on fake news
    To be fair,now is not the time for makey uppey criticism and that's why Sinn Féin public reps are mostly shouldering wheels like the rest of us at the moment
    It's a pity the same cannot be said for some of their devotees on this forum

    The only way it is 'fake' news is if you can show that the government is only following NPHET advice and making no other decisions.

    Can you show that?


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