Masks

Away With The Fairies · 08-04-2020 09:48AM

Yes: valved

Boggles wrote: »

The majority of businesses had decided to close or introduced complete work from home measures before the government acted. Also Paddy's Day was cancelled at council level before the government decided to cancel. Also "No issue" with 10,000 people going to a race meeting in the UK, etc, etc.

The idea the government and HSE are getting this right is farcical. Our testing plan has been a complete and utter failure by any metric and 20% of our PPE would be perfect if we had uoompa loompas on the front line.

It's people and the measures they are implementing as well as business to be fair that are halting the surge.

Basically make a mask and wear it when you are out, it's not like the majority of people don't have the time for a bit of Blue Peter with a T-Shirt.

We're only testing people with symptoms as well. People on the princess cruise that tested positive, almost half had no symptoms. Iceland has the same type of results, half of the positives are showing no symptoms. So there's plenty of people out there walking about the place that are passing it on unknown to themselves.

iamwhoiam · 08-04-2020 09:48AM

https://mail.google.com/mail/u/0/#trash/FMfcgxwHMjkxXpGSFhjcqDWJCwSQgCZB?projector=1

We found this one easy enough . Sits well too

xhomelezz · 08-04-2020 09:52AM

Yes: valved

https://youtu.be/HhNo_IOPOtU

take everything · 08-04-2020 09:58AM

Deleted User wrote: »

Just wait and see. China has been sending junk to multiple countries. Defective masks/PPE/tests. Give it a few days, you'll find out these "historic flights" have been full of useless junk also.

You have been proven (partly) right.
Fair play.

Bob24 · 08-04-2020 10:00AM

iamwhoiam wrote: »

As far masks making you forget the hand washing etc .I can categorically say that having a big cotton mask on my face made me very much remember the situation I was in .It made me far more alert to the hand hygiene and distancing etc .It was an alien piece of equipment that kept me actually on my toes and reminded me to be very aware

Same here. It also makes me much less likely to inadvertently touch my face with my hands. The nose and mouth can't be touched anyway because they are covered and in general as you say having half my face covered with a foreign object makes me more conscious of what I am doing.

xhomelezz · 08-04-2020 10:05AM

Yes: valved

Bob24 wrote: »

Same here. It also makes me much less likely to inadvertently touch my face with my hands. The nose and mouth can't be touched anyway because they are covered and in general as you say having half my face covered with a foreign object makes me more conscious of what I am doing.

Same for me, when mask is on makes me more aware and more careful. And how to wear one properly is not a rocket science either..

take everything · 08-04-2020 10:06AM

Simple question.
I've got a good few masks at home.
If worst came to worst, why can't these be reused by washing them thoroughly in soap and water when you get home.

xhomelezz · 08-04-2020 10:09AM

Yes: valved

take everything wrote: »

Simple question.
I've got a good few masks at home.
If worst came to worst, why can't these be reused by washing them thoroughly in soap and water when you get home.

Depends what they made from. 100% cotton is very easy to sterilise in boiling water, it can withstand high temperatures without being destroyed

take everything · 08-04-2020 10:17AM

xhomelezz wrote: »

Depends what they made from. 100% cotton is very easy to sterilise in boiling water, it can withstand high temperatures without being destroyed

But soap and water kills the virus.
Why would you need to use boiling water

xhomelezz · 08-04-2020 10:20AM

Yes: valved

take everything wrote: »

But soap and water kills the virus.
Why would you need to sterilise it

That's what they suggested back at home in Czech republic, so I'm just going that way, dunno if soap and water kills it, you just wash it of your hands, that's my understanding. But could be wrong..

xhomelezz · 08-04-2020 10:23AM

Yes: valved

Plus them homemade masks are made from two or three layers of cotton, so think it's safer to do it that way

krissovo · 08-04-2020 10:29AM

take everything wrote: »

Simple question.
I've got a good few masks at home.
If worst came to worst, why can't these be reused by washing them thoroughly in soap and water when you get home.

70 degrees in the oven for 30 minutes is what some boffins have come up with for the best method for the FFp2/3 masks.

2u2me · 08-04-2020 10:29AM

take everything wrote: »

But soap and water kills the virus.
Why would you need to use boiling water

Soap will definitely dissolved the virus when it comes into contact. Perhaps though there may be bits of dirt preventing the virus from touching the soap, I'd imagine this is where boiling water could be useful.

Depending on what fabric you have it could damage the fibres though.

I've seen some advice saying if you have multiple masks you can allow them to air dry somewhere safe for a few days before returning to them.

krissovo · 08-04-2020 10:30AM

take everything wrote: »

But soap and water kills the virus.
Why would you need to use boiling water

It washes it away, does not kill it.

Boggles · 08-04-2020 10:30AM

Wibbs wrote: »

Actually B, you're dead right. I was giving a little too much credit to the authorities on this.

I am rooting for them like no other.

But I have seen some "advice" given that I have audibly gasped at.

Also it's not that long ago that our Minister for Health was telling everyone that the HSE was not fit for purpose and needs to be disbanded.

Now that may seem like a low blow at this point in time, but it doesn't change the fact that it was said and is accurate

I can't understand how wearing a mask in public can be so controversial for some people all though I suspect I know why, it's not like people on here are advocating a mass dogging movement.

Wibbs · 08-04-2020 10:32AM

Yes: other

xhomelezz wrote: »

That's what they suggested back at home in Czech republic,

I wish our government and health service was like yours. You have twice the number of people, far higher population densities, aren't an island and yet because of good and proactive leadership from the top and the bottom you have half the number of deaths and your transmission rate is dropping right down. We Irish tend to be an easy going be grand type of people, which I bloody love, but in a crisis like this we also tend to be sheep led by sheep.

take everything · 08-04-2020 10:32AM

krissovo wrote: »

It washes it away, does not kill it.

I seem to recall Prof Luke O Neill saying the soap kills the virus (breaks up the membrane etc)

Wibbs · 08-04-2020 10:34AM

Yes: other

krissovo wrote: »

It washes it away, does not kill it.

Yes. Yes it does. Have you read anything on this matter? Soap, ordinary boring simple soap, tears apart the proteins that make up the virus and destroys it. And then washes away the shattered bits that are left. EDIT alcohol in concentrations above 70% in hand sanitiser does the same. Viruses are actually very delicate things in many ways.

Wibbs · 08-04-2020 10:35AM

Yes: other

Boggles wrote: »

it's not like people on here are advocating a mass dogging movement.

Well B, no doubt masks would help there too.

xhomelezz · 08-04-2020 11:03AM

Yes: valved

Wibbs wrote: »

I wish our government and health service was like yours. You have twice the number of people, far higher population densities, aren't an island and yet because of good and proactive leadership from the top and the bottom you have half the number of deaths and your transmission rate is dropping right down. We Irish tend to be an easy going be grand type of people, which I bloody love, but in a crisis like this we also tend to be sheep led by sheep.

Yeah, I keep watching news from home closely and for once I was actually proud of our government. Even tho they messed up at the start, with all peeps coming back from ski holidays in Italy, no checks, no quarantine..

Wibbs · 08-04-2020 11:09AM

Yes: other

Yeah X, but unlike our lot who bumble along looking to others for guidance, your guys learned fast and went full on very quickly. And it worked and is still working.

Yellow_Fern · 08-04-2020 11:11AM

Yes: surgical

I really hate having to hate the HSE for lying about masks.

iamwhoiam · 08-04-2020 11:14AM

Yellow_Fern wrote: »

I really hate having to hate the HSE for lying about masks.

Me too , I was happy to be quite pleased with the job they are doing but the mask advice is wrong on many levels .I and my family are wearing masks and will be doing it regardless of the HSE

xhomelezz · 08-04-2020 11:17AM

Yes: valved

Wibbs wrote: »

Yeah X, but unlike our lot who bumble along looking to others for guidance, your guys learned fast and went full on very quickly. And it worked and is still working.

I know, wish it was same here, cuz to be honest I'm sh..ing myself right now. Care for two kids on my own and if anything goes wrong, can't even imagine what I'll do. My company still business as usual, so I'm trying to use any measures to stay covid free as long as possible.. Hope it's gonna be kept here under the control too, we all know that health system here is not the best, so hopefully hospitals won't get over run

2u2me · 08-04-2020 11:19AM

Yellow_Fern wrote: »

I really hate having to hate the HSE for lying about masks.

I believe it comes from good intentions, but the the road to hell is paved with good intentions.

Its this attitude of we know better than you; and telling you the truth can be harmful, so we will tell you what we think is safe for you to know.
Its something I've noticed in the media a lot in recent times.

CrankyHaus · 08-04-2020 11:21AM

Anything to be said for leaving a surgical mask exposed to direct sunlight for several days between each use in public?

I assume a combination of the time passed and prolonged exposure to UV light should get rid of any Coronavirus that may be on it.
I only wear one to the supermarket, visit once or twice a week.

take everything · 08-04-2020 11:34AM

What's the story with goggles btw.
Surely any goggles would have to be disposable as well. Or could you wash those.

Yellow_Fern · 08-04-2020 11:36AM

Yes: surgical

Ten Pin wrote: »

Is it possible they fear litigation from health care personnel who had to go without masks due to shortages and are hiding behind the WHO advice as a defence. There's more to it than just them saying the public aren't intelligent enough to wear a mask properly. Anything that reduces the risk of breathing out virus must surely be good practice...especially when someone has no symptoms.

It could be like that. People keep parroting that a mask can give you a false sense of security but if I venture into Lidl with a sea of masked people, I personally feel far more cautious because it destroys what remaining sense of normality. As for face touch, I am a chronic face toucher in normal life and its very hard to control. At least the mask forms a barrier.

Yellow_Fern · 08-04-2020 11:37AM

Yes: surgical

take everything wrote: »

What's the story with goggles btw.
Surely any goggles would have to be disposable as well. Or could you wash those.

A screen mask would be safer? Easier to clean too.

khalessi · 08-04-2020 11:38AM

Yes: surgical

if necessary swim goggles if you have them

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