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Is it just me or have SF vanished?

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  • #2012
    Sultan_of_Ping
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 436 ✭✭Sultan_of_Ping


    Not for the first, and definitely not for the last, McDonald just doesn't get it......

    .....no one is keeping her or SF out of power or government - it's up to them to wrangle the votes, and if people regard them as so toxic that they don't want to coalesce with, or otherwise support them then the fault lies with SF......but as usual with them it's always somebody else's fault.

    Mary Lou McDonald: This crisis shows that Sinn Féin was right


    .....as an aside, you'd also have to question the wisdom around the timing of this piece, is it really the time for such politicking?


  • #2013
    Shefwedfan
    Closed Accounts Posts: 15,752 ✭✭✭✭Shefwedfan


    ^^^

    Not for the first and certainly not the last SF show exactly why they shouldn't be in power.

    It is like they are reading forums like this, making a point of saying which parties they are talking with :-) SF media team maybe are on this thread. Still difference is talking and any of those parties saying they are willing to work with them

    I would also question why SF try to negotiate using the press? they done the same in NI and made a complete f**k up and now trying to do the same. If they haven't worked it out already FF and FG are not going to come running to the table just because Mary Lou was shouting in the press, the exact opposite.

    Instead of writing stupid bits for IT maybe she would have been better putting a call or asking for a meeting with the parties??

    She should know, the more captive audience for SF is in The Sun and The Mirror, not the IT :-)


  • #2014
    piplip87
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 2,220 ✭✭✭piplip87


    Can some Shinner explain to me why on every article mentioning government formation I see the following comments:

    1) We voted for change this is not the change the public want.

    2) FFG using this crisis as a power grab

    3) But but but MM and LV got elected on lower counts....

    Why do ye not understand that in the majority of elections in this country since the foundation of the state a party with 24% of the vote has gone into opposition quietly. In 1973 for example FF got 46% of the vote and went into opposition while FG and Labour formed a government. Neither FF or Labour spoke to FF about government formation.

    So why in 2020 do ye think the rules have changed ?


  • #2015
    Runaways
    Banned (with Prison Access) Posts: 1,269 ✭✭✭Runaways


    Sultan_of_Ping wrote: »
    Not for the first, and definitely not for the last, McDonald just doesn't get it......

    .....no one is keeping her or SF out of power or government - it's up to them to wrangle the votes, and if people regard them as so toxic that they don't want to coalesce with, or otherwise support them then the fault lies with SF......but as usual with them it's always somebody else's fault.

    Mary Lou McDonald: This crisis shows that Sinn Féin was right


    .....as an aside, you'd also have to question the wisdom around the timing of this piece, is it really the time for such politicking?

    Surprised nobody’s wondered why she just hasn’t had tds threatened to get in with them or else.


  • #2016
    Runaways
    Banned (with Prison Access) Posts: 1,269 ✭✭✭Runaways


    piplip87 wrote: »
    Can some Shinner explain to me why on every article mentioning government formation I see the following comments:

    1) We voted for change this is not the change the public want.

    2) FFG using this crisis as a power grab

    3) But but but MM and LV got elected on lower counts....

    Why do ye not understand that in the majority of elections in this country since the foundation of the state a party with 24% of the vote has gone into opposition quietly. In 1973 for example FF got 46% of the vote and went into opposition while FG and Labour formed a government. Neither FF or Labour spoke to FF about government formation.

    So why in 2020 do ye think the rules have changed ?

    Tbh I think FG and SF should hold their noses and go in together. They’d temper each other and balance things out.
    I know Mary lou has contacted Leo several times she’s said as much numerous times in interviews and the only reply she got was a snotty piece by Leo attacking her personally in one of the papers.

    This isn’t leadership. He’s dragging us all along with his petulant childish nonsense


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  • #2017
    piplip87
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 2,220 ✭✭✭piplip87


    Runaways wrote: »
    Tbh I think FG and SF should hold their noses and go in together. They’d temper each other and balance things out.
    I know Mary lou has contacted Leo several times she’s said as much numerous times in interviews and the only reply she got was a snotty pieve by Leo attacking her personally in one of the papers.

    This isn’t leadership. He’s dragging us all along with his petulant childish nonsense

    Why though why should SF and FG enter government ? What would the program for government look like ? They are so far apart on key issues it wouldn't work.


  • #2018
    Rodney Bathgate
    Closed Accounts Posts: 3,440 ✭✭✭Rodney Bathgate


    piplip87 wrote: »
    Can some Shinner explain to me why on every article mentioning government formation I see the following comments:

    1) We voted for change this is not the change the public want.

    2) FFG using this crisis as a power grab

    3) But but but MM and LV got elected on lower counts....

    Why do ye not understand that in the majority of elections in this country since the foundation of the state a party with 24% of the vote has gone into opposition quietly. In 1973 for example FF got 46% of the vote and went into opposition while FG and Labour formed a government. Neither FF or Labour spoke to FF about government formation.

    So why in 2020 do ye think the rules have changed ?

    They haven’t yet grasped how democracy works. They see ‘power sharing’ up north and it confuses them.


  • #2019
    Runaways
    Banned (with Prison Access) Posts: 1,269 ✭✭✭Runaways


    The government party got the lowest vote Share and currently trying to subvert democracy to ignore the result.

    So if you support them don’t even start preaching about democracy


  • #2020
    Rodney Bathgate
    Closed Accounts Posts: 3,440 ✭✭✭Rodney Bathgate


    Runaways wrote: »
    The government party got the lowest vote Share and currently trying to subvert democracy to ignore the result.

    So if you support them don’t even start preaching about democracy

    Show us where anything FG have done to date since the election is unconstitutional, mate.


  • #2021
    threeball
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 8,936 ✭✭✭threeball


    Runaways wrote: »
    Tbh I think FG and SF should hold their noses and go in together. They’d temper each other and balance things out.
    I know Mary lou has contacted Leo several times she’s said as much numerous times in interviews and the only reply she got was a snotty piece by Leo attacking her personally in one of the papers.

    This isn’t leadership. He’s dragging us all along with his petulant childish nonsense

    So you think the two most idealogically separated parties in the state should go in to government together because somehow it will "balance" is a good idea?

    Thankfully SF won't get next nor near the place when this is the best ye can come up with. A few weeks ago she wanted nothing to do with FG. Now she is contacting them to see if they'll give her a leg up to be Taoiseach.

    At least FG have been consistent from the get go. Its petualant children that change their mind when they're not getting what they want.


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  • #2022
    piplip87
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 2,220 ✭✭✭piplip87


    Runaways wrote: »
    The government party got the lowest vote Share and currently trying to subvert democracy to ignore the result.

    So if you support them don’t even start preaching about democracy

    No it's Sinn Fein who have not grasped how our democracy works. As I said in my previous post it has happened before that the largest party in the Dail have been left out of government formation.

    I suppose it was bound to happen when a party who still does not fully recognise that state doesn't know how it works.


  • #2023
    Shefwedfan
    Closed Accounts Posts: 15,752 ✭✭✭✭Shefwedfan


    Runaways wrote: »
    The government party got the lowest vote Share and currently trying to subvert democracy to ignore the result.

    So if you support them don’t even start preaching about democracy


    How do we know Mary Lou is telling the truth?


    It's like anyone can actually thrust SF, just look at the rabble she has hanging around with her. Has she actually tried to contact FG or FF? or has she tried to negotiate via the press?



    I think we should consider option 2 is more likely as this is the standard tactic used by SF.


  • #2024
    Rodney Bathgate
    Closed Accounts Posts: 3,440 ✭✭✭Rodney Bathgate


    Shefwedfan wrote: »
    How do we know Mary Lou is telling the truth?


    It's like anyone can actually thrust SF, just look at the rabble she has hanging around with her. Has she actually tried to contact FG or FF? or has she tried to negotiate via the press?



    I think we should consider option 2 is more likely as this is the standard tactic used by SF.

    Maybe she forgot to put a stamp on her letter?


  • #2025
    threeball
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 8,936 ✭✭✭threeball


    Runaways wrote: »
    The government party got the lowest vote Share and currently trying to subvert democracy to ignore the result.

    So if you support them don’t even start preaching about democracy

    Do you even know how democracy works? 75% of people didn't vote Sinn Féin. Two parties that have almost double the seats between them that SF got are negociating to form a government which will likely be in the next two weeks. That is democracy. If you want FPTP move to the UK.


  • #2026
    FrancieBrady
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 74,078 ✭✭✭✭FrancieBrady


    Shefwedfan wrote: »
    How do we know Mary Lou is telling the truth?


    How do we know any of them are telling the truth?


  • #2027
    Runaways
    Banned (with Prison Access) Posts: 1,269 ✭✭✭Runaways


    Funny cos it’s true :)

    https://twitter.com/jim_sheridan/status/1246423598283227137?s=21


  • #2028
    Shefwedfan
    Closed Accounts Posts: 15,752 ✭✭✭✭Shefwedfan


    Rodney Bathgate wrote: »
    Maybe she forgot to put a stamp on her letter?


    :P


    They all have government email account, is she is so desperate to contact FG just send them an email


  • #2029
    Runaways
    Banned (with Prison Access) Posts: 1,269 ✭✭✭Runaways


    threeball wrote: »
    So you think the two most idealogically separated parties in the state should go in to government together because somehow it will "balance" is a good idea?

    Thankfully SF won't get next nor near the place when this is the best ye can come up with. A few weeks ago she wanted nothing to do with FG. Now she is contacting them to see if they'll give her a leg up to be Taoiseach.

    At least FG have been consistent from the get go. Its petualant children that change their mind when they're not getting what they want.

    She contacted him after the election. She was on Newstalk a day or two after the result. So Not recently.


  • #2030
    Runaways
    Banned (with Prison Access) Posts: 1,269 ✭✭✭Runaways


    Rodney Bathgate wrote: »
    Maybe she forgot to put a stamp on her letter?

    She said she had texted him also.
    Thought the office of Taoiseach was obliged to respond to any correspondence.

    Did I imagine that?


  • #2031
    Shefwedfan
    Closed Accounts Posts: 15,752 ✭✭✭✭Shefwedfan


    FrancieBrady wrote: »
    How do we know any of them are telling the truth?


    Do I see FF or FG in the press daily about forming the government or blocking SF?


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  • #2032
    Runaways
    Banned (with Prison Access) Posts: 1,269 ✭✭✭Runaways


    They wouldn’t lie to us. Surely.

    https://twitter.com/roryhearne/status/1246184133266755584?s=21


  • #2033
    Rodney Bathgate
    Closed Accounts Posts: 3,440 ✭✭✭Rodney Bathgate


    They (Mary Lou and Pease) were on news after the election talking about the letters they sent, so letters as far as I am aware. Unless Mary Lou sent a follow up text.


  • #2034
    FrancieBrady
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 74,078 ✭✭✭✭FrancieBrady


    Shefwedfan wrote: »
    Do I see FF or FG in the press daily about forming the government or blocking SF?

    Did you miss the news reports about SF and others meeting, daily, in the press when they were happening?
    You know, when FG were huffing about going into opposition and FF were furiously trying to wipe the memory of Michael lying to the public about his intentions i.e. not going into government with FG?

    Do you know what Shefwewd? That sounds VERY MUCH like a lie to me. ;)


  • #2035
    Shefwedfan
    Closed Accounts Posts: 15,752 ✭✭✭✭Shefwedfan


    FrancieBrady wrote: »
    Did you miss the news reports about SF and others meeting, daily, in the press when they were happening?
    You know, when FG were huffing about going into opposition and FF were furiously trying to wipe the memory of Michael lying to the public about his intentions i.e. not going into government with FG?

    Do you know what Shefwewd? That sounds VERY MUCH like a lie to me. ;)


    I asked before, I will ask again, if all these meetings have happened then where is the coalition? who have SF got with them?


    For all of Mary Lou shouting, she has nothing.....not much of a negotiator is she?


  • #2036
    Runaways
    Banned (with Prison Access) Posts: 1,269 ✭✭✭Runaways


    Shefwedfan wrote: »
    I asked before, I will ask again, if all these meetings have happened then where is the coalition? who have SF got with them?


    For all of Mary Lou shouting, she has nothing.....not much of a negotiator is she?



    Did you know there’s a leaders meeting weekly now? Leo briefs Michael and Mary Lou and the rest.

    I didn’t know that


  • #2037
    Runaways
    Banned (with Prison Access) Posts: 1,269 ✭✭✭Runaways


    Ouch. Who could have imagined

    https://twitter.com/doneroami/status/1246382139182022657?s=21


  • #2038
    Runaways
    Banned (with Prison Access) Posts: 1,269 ✭✭✭Runaways


    Lads can you make a post or ask a question without insulting people? Seems to be a thing with yis. No need for it and really undoes your point and lowers the tone overall.
    Don’t understand the need for it.


  • #2039
    Rodney Bathgate
    Closed Accounts Posts: 3,440 ✭✭✭Rodney Bathgate


    Just posting random sh1t now dude? How about a post about Violet-Anne Wynne or Reada Cronin?


  • #2040
    Runaways
    Banned (with Prison Access) Posts: 1,269 ✭✭✭Runaways


    Rodney Bathgate wrote: »
    Just posting random sh1t now dude? How about a post about Violet-Anne Wynne or Reada Cronin?

    I’m extremely bored and sick. Bear with me.


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  • #2041
    Rodney Bathgate
    Closed Accounts Posts: 3,440 ✭✭✭Rodney Bathgate


    Runaways wrote: »
    Lads can you make a post or ask a question without insulting people? Seems to be a thing with yis. No need for it and really undoes your point and lowers the tone overall.
    Don’t understand the need for it.

    A few posts ago you were making out that Mary Lou was a transsexual or transvestite? Are you exempt from the no insults?


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