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CoVid19 Part XII - 4,604 in ROI (137 deaths) 998 in NI (56 deaths)(04/04) **Read OP**

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  • #8822
    Maestro85
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 199 ✭✭Maestro85


    plodder wrote: »
    There's a thread on it.

    https://touch.boards.ie/thread/2058063232/1


    Very much appreciated. Thank you.


  • #8823
    castletownman
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 13,038 ✭✭✭✭castletownman


    Cork Boy 53 wrote: »
    And if and when the second wave comes in the autumn they will be closed again soon afterwards.

    How can we be so sure there will be a second wave.

    We already know it is different to any virus that has hit before, so it's just as likely not to re-emerge.

    A post like this scaremongering and makes me think that some people actually want the whole nation to be wrapped in cotton wool for ever more.

    BUT WHAT IF IT COMES BACK IN FIVE YEARS TIME!!!


  • #8824
    is_that_so
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 32,132 ✭✭✭✭is_that_so


    Lollipop95 wrote: »
    Realistically, when might the restrictions be lifted and people are allowed to go back to work, etc? Assuming the ones already in place start to work and the number of cases and death drop?
    May-June timeframe to start back to work IMO.


  • #8825
    mikeoc85
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 153 ✭✭mikeoc85


    Drumpot wrote: »
    Bars should Be the last services to be open. Least important and one of the worst breeding ground for transmission.

    Agreed. But life will go on. Eventually the need of the majority will outweigh that of the few.

    Bills and Taxes to be paid. ECB won’t print unlimited money for everyone.


    It’s awful but this is life, people die, especially old people. There’s no end in sight and the world can’t stop for an unknown amount of time.

    I’m one of the people that are in the vulnerable category but let’s face reality here. These measures are in place to stop the early spike...after which we just need to get on with it.


  • #8826
    hmmm
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 11,192 ✭✭✭✭hmmm


    Maestro85 wrote: »
    I hope I am not pulling the pin on the grenade by asking this question but what are peoples thoughts on the chloroquine treatment the FDA approved but the EU didn't.
    We need the data from proper clinical trials. A small trial of severely ill patients finished up recently in France, and showed little benefit.

    https://theconversation.com/a-small-trial-finds-that-hydroxychloroquine-is-not-effective-for-treating-coronavirus-135484

    There are other trials ongoing, using it on different cohorts - e.g. it might be effective on less severely ill patients.

    The FDA approval mostly looks to have been to keep Trump happy. And I wouldn't take my medical advice from Donald.


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  • #8827
    Maestro85
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 199 ✭✭Maestro85


    castletownman wrote: »
    How can we be so sure there will be a second wave.

    We already know it is different to any virus that has hit before, so it's just as likely not to re-emerge.

    A post like this scaremongering and makes me think that some people actually want the whole nation to be wrapped in cotton wool for ever more.

    BUT WHAT IF IT COMES BACK IN FIVE YEARS TIME!!!


    I think it is more of a "prepare for the worst but hope for the best" with people rather then scaremongering.


  • #8828
    cloudatlas
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 3,713 ✭✭✭cloudatlas


    Conor McGregor ranting again. Now is not the time. After the crisis head’s of state can talk to the Chinese government and put pressure on.

    Sweden aren’t recording case fatalities correctly, what a surprise.


  • #8829
    nacho libre
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 18,529 ✭✭✭✭nacho libre


    tobefrank321 wrote: »
    If you think I'm going to join in to support a government who have proven from day one they don't have a clue what they are doing and are making it up as they go along or rather always after the sh*t hits the fan, you are sadly mistaken.
    .




    If the Government ignored expert medical advice that advised stricter measures to be implemented sooner, then i would agree. For example if they were advised to stop travel to Cheltenham, but were reluctant to do so because of the horse race industry and the aviation industry, that is a decision to be criticised no question about it

    So the government or their advisers have fecked up in some areas- not shutting down air travel sooner, , but we are in a far better position than Spain, Italy and the UK in terms of mortality rate per head of population due to the fact we implemented restrictions sooner. That fact can't be denied.

    We are not South Korea either, no matter how FG party hacks, pr people might like to spin it.

    We made mistakes, but like i said we are in a far better position than some other european countries.


  • #8830
    SleetAndSnow
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 4,806 ✭✭✭SleetAndSnow


    Just saw France had over 23k cases yesterday?? have they changed their testing or something??


  • #8831
    Roger_007
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 21,886 ✭✭✭✭Roger_007


    Drumpot wrote: »
    I didn’t say they shouldn’t of been more prepared, I said nobody took it seriously. How many countries in western democracies are handling this well?

    Singling our the Irish government as “‘Making it up” is ignoring the fact that every other country is doing the same. As “making it up” goes, I think our government has done a better job then a lot of other countries have done.

    It’s true that nobody has a blueprint on how to deal with this outbreak. Everyone is doing the best they can. But there does have to an exit strategy. The “as long as it takes” mantra is all very well but there should be some indication from the authorities, (political and medical), as to what conditions would lead to the easing of restrictions and what timescale they estimate for that. Of course they can’t be precise but if they can estimate roughly when the peak will happen they can also probably estimate when some restrictions can be lifted and which ones.


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  • #8832
    Just Saying
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 306 ✭✭Just Saying


    cloudatlas wrote: »
    Conor McGregor ranting again. Now is not the time. After the crisis head’s of state can talk to the Chinese government and put pressure on.

    Sweden aren’t recording case fatalities correctly, what a surprise.


    What were Sweden doing...something similar to Germany in how deaths were recorded?


  • #8833
    is_that_so
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 32,132 ✭✭✭✭is_that_so


    From the BBC
    The UK government is not alone in its concerns about warmer weather bringing people out of their homes. Crowds gathered at Sydney's popular beaches on Saturday, breaking Australia's social distancing measures.


  • #8834
    plodder
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2, Paid Member Posts: 8,754 ✭✭✭plodder


    SleetAndSnow wrote: »
    Just saw France had over 23k cases yesterday?? have they changed their testing or something??
    I saw something about them changing their reporting methodology which has caused a statistical spike

    “The opposite of 'good' is 'good intentions'”



  • #8835
    Jinglejangle69
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 8,473 ✭✭✭Jinglejangle69


    Funsterdelux wrote: »
    Oh, you heard him on the radio, I thought you were mates

    Weldone.


  • #8836
    Cork Boy 53
    Banned (with Prison Access) Posts: 3,829 ✭✭✭Cork Boy 53


    castletownman wrote: »
    How can we be so sure there will be a second wave.

    We already know it is different to any virus that has hit before, so it's just as likely not to re-emerge.

    A post like this scaremongering and makes me think that some people actually want the whole nation to be wrapped in cotton wool for ever more.

    BUT WHAT IF IT COMES BACK IN FIVE YEARS TIME!!!

    You might want to read this thread if you haven`t already done so.

    https://www.boards.ie/vbulletin/showthread.php?t=2058062219


  • #8837
    Boggles
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 43,358 ✭✭✭✭Boggles


    Wombatman wrote: »
    Why not?

    200402160305-02-influenza-1918-masks-restricted-exlarge-169.jpg

    Red Cross volunteers wore face masks during the flu pandemic of 1918.

    That's my point.

    Lots of people wears masks during pandemics, even a 100 years


  • #8838
    nacho libre
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 18,529 ✭✭✭✭nacho libre


    castletownman wrote: »
    How can we be so sure there will be a second wave.

    !

    We can't, but we can reduce that risk greatly, if we make sure that anyone coming into the country is forced to self isolate for 14 days. They are doing it in Australia. Someone mentioned last week it wasn't possible to do that, but then as Micheal Martin has found out that what is unconstitutional/impossible, in his expert view, can become possible in a crisis.


  • #8839
    BLIZZARD7
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 2,011 ✭✭✭BLIZZARD7


    SleetAndSnow wrote: »
    Just saw France had over 23k cases yesterday?? have they changed their testing or something??

    From worldometers -

    France: on April 3 the French Government reported 17,827 additional cases and 532 additional deaths from nursing homes that had not been reported previously. On April 2, it had reported 884 additional deaths.

    Does this mean they weren't even counting nursing home cases at all? Not just deaths?


  • #8840
    Blueshoe
    Banned (with Prison Access) Posts: 3,957 ✭✭✭Blueshoe


    awec wrote: »
    My coworker is married to a nurse. My uncle's second cousin is a doctor. I had a chat in Lidl to a woman whose next door neighbour is married to a hospital porter.

    These second / third / fourth hand info posts are getting tiresome.

    My coworker is married to a nurse though. And that's the information she told him.


  • #8841
    Stheno
    Moderators, Business & Finance Moderators, Science, Health & Environment Moderators, Society & Culture Moderators Posts: 51,685 Mod ✭✭✭✭Stheno


    Roger_007 wrote: »
    It’s true that nobody has a blueprint on how to deal with this outbreak. Everyone is doing the best they can. But there does have to an exit strategy. The “as long as it takes” mantra is all very well but there should be some indication from the authorities, (political and medical), as to what conditions would lead to the easing of restrictions and what timescale they estimate for that. Of course they can’t be precise but if they can estimate roughly when the peak will happen they can also probably estimate when some restrictions can be lifted and which ones.

    The WHO guidelines on lifting restrictions were posted here last night and mirror some of what the CMO says must be in place for us to do so


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  • #8842
    Hobgoblin11
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 2,062 ✭✭✭Hobgoblin11


    Supermarkets will be a hot bed for the next few weeks! I'm donning my mask there !

    Dundalk, Co. Louth



  • #8843
    owlbethere
    Closed Accounts Posts: 2,329 ✭✭✭owlbethere


    castletownman wrote: »
    How can we be so sure there will be a second wave.

    We already know it is different to any virus that has hit before, so it's just as likely not to re-emerge.

    A post like this scaremongering and makes me think that some people actually want the whole nation to be wrapped in cotton wool for ever more.

    BUT WHAT IF IT COMES BACK IN FIVE YEARS TIME!!!

    You opened your reply to cork boy saying how can you be so sure of a sceondwave......this is scaremongering....

    If you were to go back and read the post you quoted and read it properly you will see that his post does that say there will be a second wave at winter time. His post does not say there will be a definite secondwave. His post says if and when a secondwave comes.


  • #8844
    Sean 18
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 204 ✭✭Sean 18


    How come there's a lot more cases in Ireland compared to some states in the USA and their about ten times the size of Ireland?


  • #8845
    sadie1502
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 666 ✭✭✭sadie1502


    Are there any treatments coming along to fight this. Any real possibilities any hope for treatments. I know vaccines are a long time off but are there any viable treatments showing promising?


  • #8846
    Tokyo
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 22,655 ✭✭✭✭Tokyo


    Sean 18 wrote: »
    How come there's a lot more cases in Ireland compared to some states in the USA and their about ten times the size of Ireland?

    Precisely because they are about ten times the size of Ireland.

    States with low population densities are already engaged in social isolation through geography alone. Much harder for it to spread that way, compared to, say, a state with a high population density like New York or California.


  • #8847
    Thelonious Monk
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 16,288 ✭✭✭✭Thelonious Monk


    Sean 18 wrote: »
    How come there's a lot more cases in Ireland compared to some states in the USA and their about ten times the size of Ireland?

    Probably because they're about ten times the size of Ireland


  • #8848
    Blueshoe
    Banned (with Prison Access) Posts: 3,957 ✭✭✭Blueshoe


    sadie1502 wrote: »
    Are there any treatments coming along to fight this. Any real possibilities any hope for treatments. I know vaccines are a long time off but are there any viable treatments showing promising?

    Apart from Vic's vapo rub I haven't heard of any.


  • #8849
    speckle
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 2,251 ✭✭✭speckle


    bekker wrote: »
    New York firm, can't recollect name, also Healgen Scientific of Texas.

    Randox Laboratories and Biopanda Reagents in Belfast are selling kits. Randox is also running employee testing for businesses.

    randox who sponshorsed the chetleham races?


  • #8850
    EDit
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 819 ✭✭✭EDit


    Sean 18 wrote: »
    How come there's a lot more cases in Ireland compared to some states in the USA and their about ten times the size of Ireland?

    They are behind us on the curve and the number of cases is dependent on how much testing you are doing. TBH, there is no real point trying to compare across countries


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  • #8851
    Stheno
    Moderators, Business & Finance Moderators, Science, Health & Environment Moderators, Society & Culture Moderators Posts: 51,685 Mod ✭✭✭✭Stheno


    sadie1502 wrote: »
    Are there any treatments coming along to fight this. Any real possibilities any hope for treatments. I know vaccines are a long time off but are there any viable treatments showing promising?

    There are four drugs that are part of a worldwide trial at the moment


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