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CoVid19 Part XII - 4,604 in ROI (137 deaths) 998 in NI (56 deaths)(04/04) **Read OP**

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  • #8822
    plodder
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 7,801 ✭✭✭plodder


    Maestro85 wrote: »
    I hope I am not pulling the pin on the grenade by asking this question but what are peoples thoughts on the chloroquine treatment the FDA approved but the EU didn't.
    There's a thread on it.

    https://touch.boards.ie/thread/2058063232/1


  • #8823
    ArchXStanton
    Closed Accounts Posts: 1,912 ✭✭✭ArchXStanton


    Sean 18 wrote: »
    Yes it was going mental in China in January some people thought it wouldn't come here at all I knew even then it would land here it used be mentioned in the news for 20 seconds the government should have done away more then did they think it was some movie on China or something the way they ignored it at the start of the year they were letting kids go skiing to Italy when it was already causing mayhem there

    I remember seeing it when it broke out first in China and saying to myself that we'd be screwed if it spreads out of there, and I ain't on no politicians wage...


  • #8824
    NIMAN
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 35,786 ✭✭✭✭NIMAN


    So the majority of people being admitted to ICU are under 65

    https://www.rte.ie/news/coronavirus/2020/0404/1128465-covid19-coronavirus-tracker/

    Yet we are told the average age of those dying is 82.

    So are old people not even getting to ICU?

    Edit: the post below kinda asks the same question.


  • #8825
    stephenjmcd
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 15,449 ✭✭✭✭stephenjmcd


    Just Saying wrote: »
    In fairness to George Lee he did ask the important questions to Tony regarding the ICU numbers.148 was the number admitted to ICU since the start.He also gave the current numbers in ICU which from memory was 110.

    The striking feature of the extra information on the ICU figures was the low average age of those currently in ICU and also only 15 of the total number of deaths occurred in ICU.This is obviously because a large number of the people with underlying conditions were too ill for transfer to ICU as it would not have saved them.

    Well there is that, I think given the clusters in nursing homes we can assume somewhere along the line a decision was made as to what the best option would be for someone in a nursing home, they all quite clearly aren't being transferred to ICU given the deaths we've seen. Which as you said could have meant people already with undying health conditions who were just too ill for ICU


  • #8826
    Lollipop95
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 1,279 ✭✭✭Lollipop95


    Realistically, when might the restrictions be lifted and people are allowed to go back to work, etc? Assuming the ones already in place start to work and the number of cases and death drop?


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  • #8827
    Sean 18
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 204 ✭✭Sean 18


    Yes exactly and what was our good governments response at that time calling a general election


  • #8828
    Cork Boy 53
    Banned (with Prison Access) Posts: 3,829 ✭✭✭Cork Boy 53


    tobefrank321 wrote: »
    Jesus Christ. We had 24/7 news coverage of this for 2 months before our first case including how to prepare for it, the need for travel restrictions, the need for proper PPE, the danger of asymptomatic spreaders, and so on.

    How on earth can anyone say they didn't know what to expect? Unless they were living in a cave or had their head in the sand?

    A large amount of people thought this was all overhyped, scaremongering etc. even when the government started shutting things down 3 weeks ago. A significant minority still do think that way even now.


  • #8829
    Maestro85
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 199 ✭✭Maestro85


    plodder wrote: »
    There's a thread on it.

    https://touch.boards.ie/thread/2058063232/1


    Very much appreciated. Thank you.


  • #8830
    castletownman
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 12,232 ✭✭✭✭castletownman


    Cork Boy 53 wrote: »
    And if and when the second wave comes in the autumn they will be closed again soon afterwards.

    How can we be so sure there will be a second wave.

    We already know it is different to any virus that has hit before, so it's just as likely not to re-emerge.

    A post like this scaremongering and makes me think that some people actually want the whole nation to be wrapped in cotton wool for ever more.

    BUT WHAT IF IT COMES BACK IN FIVE YEARS TIME!!!


  • #8831
    is_that_so
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 32,136 ✭✭✭✭is_that_so


    Lollipop95 wrote: »
    Realistically, when might the restrictions be lifted and people are allowed to go back to work, etc? Assuming the ones already in place start to work and the number of cases and death drop?
    May-June timeframe to start back to work IMO.


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  • #8832
    mikeoc85
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 134 ✭✭mikeoc85


    Drumpot wrote: »
    Bars should Be the last services to be open. Least important and one of the worst breeding ground for transmission.

    Agreed. But life will go on. Eventually the need of the majority will outweigh that of the few.

    Bills and Taxes to be paid. ECB won’t print unlimited money for everyone.


    It’s awful but this is life, people die, especially old people. There’s no end in sight and the world can’t stop for an unknown amount of time.

    I’m one of the people that are in the vulnerable category but let’s face reality here. These measures are in place to stop the early spike...after which we just need to get on with it.


  • #8833
    hmmm
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 11,203 ✭✭✭✭hmmm


    Maestro85 wrote: »
    I hope I am not pulling the pin on the grenade by asking this question but what are peoples thoughts on the chloroquine treatment the FDA approved but the EU didn't.
    We need the data from proper clinical trials. A small trial of severely ill patients finished up recently in France, and showed little benefit.

    https://theconversation.com/a-small-trial-finds-that-hydroxychloroquine-is-not-effective-for-treating-coronavirus-135484

    There are other trials ongoing, using it on different cohorts - e.g. it might be effective on less severely ill patients.

    The FDA approval mostly looks to have been to keep Trump happy. And I wouldn't take my medical advice from Donald.


  • #8834
    Maestro85
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 199 ✭✭Maestro85


    castletownman wrote: »
    How can we be so sure there will be a second wave.

    We already know it is different to any virus that has hit before, so it's just as likely not to re-emerge.

    A post like this scaremongering and makes me think that some people actually want the whole nation to be wrapped in cotton wool for ever more.

    BUT WHAT IF IT COMES BACK IN FIVE YEARS TIME!!!


    I think it is more of a "prepare for the worst but hope for the best" with people rather then scaremongering.


  • #8835
    cloudatlas
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 3,711 ✭✭✭cloudatlas


    Conor McGregor ranting again. Now is not the time. After the crisis head’s of state can talk to the Chinese government and put pressure on.

    Sweden aren’t recording case fatalities correctly, what a surprise.


  • #8836
    nacho libre
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 17,617 ✭✭✭✭nacho libre


    tobefrank321 wrote: »
    If you think I'm going to join in to support a government who have proven from day one they don't have a clue what they are doing and are making it up as they go along or rather always after the sh*t hits the fan, you are sadly mistaken.
    .




    If the Government ignored expert medical advice that advised stricter measures to be implemented sooner, then i would agree. For example if they were advised to stop travel to Cheltenham, but were reluctant to do so because of the horse race industry and the aviation industry, that is a decision to be criticised no question about it

    So the government or their advisers have fecked up in some areas- not shutting down air travel sooner, , but we are in a far better position than Spain, Italy and the UK in terms of mortality rate per head of population due to the fact we implemented restrictions sooner. That fact can't be denied.

    We are not South Korea either, no matter how FG party hacks, pr people might like to spin it.

    We made mistakes, but like i said we are in a far better position than some other european countries.


  • #8837
    SleetAndSnow
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 4,754 ✭✭✭SleetAndSnow


    Just saw France had over 23k cases yesterday?? have they changed their testing or something??


  • #8838
    Roger_007
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 21,886 ✭✭✭✭Roger_007


    Drumpot wrote: »
    I didn’t say they shouldn’t of been more prepared, I said nobody took it seriously. How many countries in western democracies are handling this well?

    Singling our the Irish government as “‘Making it up” is ignoring the fact that every other country is doing the same. As “making it up” goes, I think our government has done a better job then a lot of other countries have done.

    It’s true that nobody has a blueprint on how to deal with this outbreak. Everyone is doing the best they can. But there does have to an exit strategy. The “as long as it takes” mantra is all very well but there should be some indication from the authorities, (political and medical), as to what conditions would lead to the easing of restrictions and what timescale they estimate for that. Of course they can’t be precise but if they can estimate roughly when the peak will happen they can also probably estimate when some restrictions can be lifted and which ones.


  • #8839
    Just Saying
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 306 ✭✭Just Saying


    cloudatlas wrote: »
    Conor McGregor ranting again. Now is not the time. After the crisis head’s of state can talk to the Chinese government and put pressure on.

    Sweden aren’t recording case fatalities correctly, what a surprise.


    What were Sweden doing...something similar to Germany in how deaths were recorded?


  • #8840
    is_that_so
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 32,136 ✭✭✭✭is_that_so


    From the BBC
    The UK government is not alone in its concerns about warmer weather bringing people out of their homes. Crowds gathered at Sydney's popular beaches on Saturday, breaking Australia's social distancing measures.


  • #8841
    plodder
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 7,801 ✭✭✭plodder


    SleetAndSnow wrote: »
    Just saw France had over 23k cases yesterday?? have they changed their testing or something??
    I saw something about them changing their reporting methodology which has caused a statistical spike


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  • #8842
    Jinglejangle69
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 8,131 ✭✭✭Jinglejangle69


    Funsterdelux wrote: »
    Oh, you heard him on the radio, I thought you were mates

    Weldone.


  • #8843
    Cork Boy 53
    Banned (with Prison Access) Posts: 3,829 ✭✭✭Cork Boy 53


    castletownman wrote: »
    How can we be so sure there will be a second wave.

    We already know it is different to any virus that has hit before, so it's just as likely not to re-emerge.

    A post like this scaremongering and makes me think that some people actually want the whole nation to be wrapped in cotton wool for ever more.

    BUT WHAT IF IT COMES BACK IN FIVE YEARS TIME!!!

    You might want to read this thread if you haven`t already done so.

    https://www.boards.ie/vbulletin/showthread.php?t=2058062219


  • #8844
    Boggles
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 42,505 ✭✭✭✭Boggles


    Wombatman wrote: »
    Why not?

    200402160305-02-influenza-1918-masks-restricted-exlarge-169.jpg

    Red Cross volunteers wore face masks during the flu pandemic of 1918.

    That's my point.

    Lots of people wears masks during pandemics, even a 100 years


  • #8845
    nacho libre
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 17,617 ✭✭✭✭nacho libre


    castletownman wrote: »
    How can we be so sure there will be a second wave.

    !

    We can't, but we can reduce that risk greatly, if we make sure that anyone coming into the country is forced to self isolate for 14 days. They are doing it in Australia. Someone mentioned last week it wasn't possible to do that, but then as Micheal Martin has found out that what is unconstitutional/impossible, in his expert view, can become possible in a crisis.


  • #8846
    BLIZZARD7
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 2,002 ✭✭✭BLIZZARD7


    SleetAndSnow wrote: »
    Just saw France had over 23k cases yesterday?? have they changed their testing or something??

    From worldometers -

    France: on April 3 the French Government reported 17,827 additional cases and 532 additional deaths from nursing homes that had not been reported previously. On April 2, it had reported 884 additional deaths.

    Does this mean they weren't even counting nursing home cases at all? Not just deaths?


  • #8847
    Blueshoe
    Banned (with Prison Access) Posts: 3,964 ✭✭✭Blueshoe


    awec wrote: »
    My coworker is married to a nurse. My uncle's second cousin is a doctor. I had a chat in Lidl to a woman whose next door neighbour is married to a hospital porter.

    These second / third / fourth hand info posts are getting tiresome.

    My coworker is married to a nurse though. And that's the information she told him.


  • #8848
    Stheno
    Moderators, Business & Finance Moderators, Science, Health & Environment Moderators, Society & Culture Moderators Posts: 51,690 Mod ✭✭✭✭Stheno


    Roger_007 wrote: »
    It’s true that nobody has a blueprint on how to deal with this outbreak. Everyone is doing the best they can. But there does have to an exit strategy. The “as long as it takes” mantra is all very well but there should be some indication from the authorities, (political and medical), as to what conditions would lead to the easing of restrictions and what timescale they estimate for that. Of course they can’t be precise but if they can estimate roughly when the peak will happen they can also probably estimate when some restrictions can be lifted and which ones.

    The WHO guidelines on lifting restrictions were posted here last night and mirror some of what the CMO says must be in place for us to do so


  • #8849
    Hobgoblin11
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 2,062 ✭✭✭Hobgoblin11


    Supermarkets will be a hot bed for the next few weeks! I'm donning my mask there !

    Dundalk, Co. Louth



  • #8850
    owlbethere
    Closed Accounts Posts: 2,329 ✭✭✭owlbethere


    castletownman wrote: »
    How can we be so sure there will be a second wave.

    We already know it is different to any virus that has hit before, so it's just as likely not to re-emerge.

    A post like this scaremongering and makes me think that some people actually want the whole nation to be wrapped in cotton wool for ever more.

    BUT WHAT IF IT COMES BACK IN FIVE YEARS TIME!!!

    You opened your reply to cork boy saying how can you be so sure of a sceondwave......this is scaremongering....

    If you were to go back and read the post you quoted and read it properly you will see that his post does that say there will be a second wave at winter time. His post does not say there will be a definite secondwave. His post says if and when a secondwave comes.


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  • #8851
    Sean 18
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 204 ✭✭Sean 18


    How come there's a lot more cases in Ireland compared to some states in the USA and their about ten times the size of Ireland?


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