CoVid19 Part XII - 4,604 in ROI (137 deaths) 998 in NI (56 deaths)(04/04) Read OP

Airyfairy12 · 04-04-2020 02:26AM

fritzelly wrote: »

Blame the WHO - they were sourced from a WHO approved supplier
Typically Medium in Chinese sizes is small at best in European sizes - as an approved supplier this shouldn't even come into it but makes you wonder...

The HSE ordered them. Its been stated numerous times in press meetings that the HSE worked hard to secure these orders form China.

Atlantic Dawn · 04-04-2020 02:29AM

Should they reduce the temperature in hospitals from 25 degrees plus to say 20 odd? People sweating and struggling with the heat likely to spread it all over the place.

fritzelly · 04-04-2020 02:30AM

Airyfairy12 wrote: »

The HSE ordered them. Its been stated numerous times in press meetings that the HSE worked hard to secure these orders form China.

Yes and they didn't order them off Aliexpress (like some countries) - they went thru official channels to approved suppliers
Every country in the world is trying to get them and I would hazard a guess this company are just throwing everything in to the orders with no quality control on what is being supplied just to fulfill the orders - which is what probably happened here rather than the company saying no we don't have that stock
I don't think you can lay all the blame at the HSE's door

The world is too dependent on China for this sort of thing!

fritzelly · 04-04-2020 02:31AM

Atlantic Dawn wrote: »

Should they reduce the temperature in hospitals from 25 degrees plus to say 20 odd?

Ermmm why?

You edited the post - it's not transmitted in sweat

Polar101 · 04-04-2020 02:32AM

Jurgen Klopp wrote: »

Italy had a death rate of 10.2 per 1000 for 2019 so they'd have been expecting circa 641,300 dead for 2020 so maybe 53,442 a month average expected

Spain had 9.2 per 1000 with circa 430,560 expected this year 35,880 on average a month

Be interesting if could get a total monthly number of deaths for March or maybe end April from each to compare

Yeah, would be pretty interesting. But then making any comparisons would be difficult - probably less people die in traffic accidents etc. So when making comparisons, you'd have to consider that the restrictions (because of Covid-19) also probably affect "normal" death rates.

Atlantic Dawn · 04-04-2020 02:33AM

fritzelly wrote: »

Ermmm why?

You edited the post - it's not transmitted in sweat

Very few Irish have this temperature in their house, complete waste of resources, putting people in heat they are not used to. Similar to burning €5 notes in your front lawn.

spookwoman · 04-04-2020 02:35AM

If you are sweating you are more likely to wipe your face

iwillyeah1234 · 04-04-2020 02:38AM

the UK lockdown over here (i live in Sasana) , has had a bit of weird side-benefit for myself anyway.

i've managed to finally complete the electronic album i've never quite gotten around to finishing off. I'll be uploading it to Bandcamp or YouTube or wherever for free in the next few days

I kind of do wonder if we'll see a surge in Indie artists because of this whole lockdown palava.
Could actually turn out to be quite an interesting year artistically.

( note : am not downplaying Corona.. it's bloody awful.. but there are a few white pills )

Away With The Fairies · 04-04-2020 02:38AM

fritzelly wrote: »

That's completely different from what the poster is saying
Healthcare workers have a primary goal - to help people less fortunate/sick (it's not a job for people involved, its more vocational). They won't just drop tools in an emergency

How can they help people without the proper PPE? They're putting themselves and their families at risk. How do you not understand that?

Airyfairy12 · 04-04-2020 02:39AM

fritzelly wrote: »

Yes and they didn't order them off Aliexpress (like some countries) - they went thru official channels to approved suppliers
Every country in the world is trying to get them and I would hazard a guess this company are just throwing everything in to the orders with no quality control on what is being supplied just to fulfill the orders - which is what probably happened here rather than the company saying no we don't have that stock
I don't think you can lay all the blame at the HSE's door

The world is too dependent on China for this sort of thing!

How are they allowed to get away with that? they are costing lives and taking millions of euros for way below standard products.
Also, how come other countries seem to have full body suits but Irish nurses get this? It's not making sense tbh.

Also, we have thousands of designers, dress makers, design students, seamstresses all over the country. NCAD, LIT and hundreds of FE colleges around the country have fully kitted out fashion design making studios with materials and industrial sewing machines, surely they could be redeployed to making PPE?
Dunnes Stores alone has a a large amount of employed designers.

spookwoman · 04-04-2020 02:39AM

These south american countries and african haven't a hope in hell
Corpses Lie For Days As Ecuador Struggles To Keep Up With COVID-19 Deaths
https://www.npr.org/sections/coronavirus-live-updates/2020/04/03/826675439/corpses-lie-for-days-as-ecuador-struggles-to-keep-up-with-covid-19-deaths

fritzelly · 04-04-2020 02:40AM

spookwoman wrote: »

If you are sweating you are more likely to wipe your face

Last time I was in hospital on the operation ward (not so long ago) it wasn't that warm - it was pleasant enough not to be freezing in a gown but certainly wasn't sweating heat

spookwoman · 04-04-2020 02:41AM

fritzelly wrote: »

Last time I was in hospital on the operation ward (not so long ago) it wasn't that warm - it was pleasant enough not to be freezing in a gown but certainly wasn't sweating heat

Anytime I've been in the rooms are too hot and stuffy

Atlantic Dawn · 04-04-2020 02:43AM

fritzelly wrote: »

Last time I was in hospital on the operation ward (not so long ago) it wasn't that warm - it was pleasant enough not to be freezing in a gown but certainly wasn't sweating heat

Last time I was visiting someone was in June a number of years back, heating was on, radiators were on, windows were open because it was too hot. It perfectly explained to me how backward the public health system in Ireland was towards managing a budget. It's the very same in Garda stations too, money to burn.

fritzelly · 04-04-2020 02:44AM

Airyfairy12 wrote: »

How are they allowed to get away with that? they are costing lives and taking millions of euros for way below standard products.
Also, how come other countries seem to have full body suits but Irish nurses get this? It's not making sense tbh.

Also, we have thousands of designers, dress makers, design students, seamstresses all over the country. NCAD, LIT and hundreds of FE colleges around the country have fully kitted out fashion design making studios with materials and industrial sewing machines, surely they could be redeployed to making PPE?
Dunnes Stores alone has a a large amount of employed designers.

Full body suits in the south of Italy - how long do you think it will be before supplies run out? They are trying to limit replacement by having barriers from patients/doctors doing the treatments etc and other staff but still there is a limit to the stock

As for other suppliers - it's already happening in Ireland

iwillyeah1234 · 04-04-2020 02:45AM

ThePopehimself wrote: »

Are you serious? What an awful thing to say!

The world didn't feel the need to 'do something' to the USA in 1918 - the Spanish Flu Pandamic came from a bird farm in Kansas!

well to be utterly fair to Trump, he has been banging on and on and on and on about CHYNA

when everyone else was refusing to talk about our utter dependency on "Chyna", Trump was right out there saying that this dependency isn't good at all for us in the West.

Am not a Trump supporter, but he was bang on about the whole China thing.

fritzelly · 04-04-2020 02:45AM

Away With The Fairies wrote: »

How can they help people without the proper PPE? They're putting themselves and their families at risk. How do you not understand that?

And that is what most doctors, nurses etc will do - they put patient first, they don't think of themselves
You are just being very contrary

I see Belgium is giving a bonus payment to all frontline staff of 1450 euro

fritzelly · 04-04-2020 02:47AM

spookwoman wrote: »

Anytime I've been in the rooms are too hot and stuffy

The outpatients wards? Have noticed that too - no windows open doesn't help either even tho there is research it's better to have the windows open

Strazdas · 04-04-2020 02:47AM

Airyfairy12 wrote: »

It's not just sizing difference, theyre disposable gowns with 3 quarter length sleeves, flimsy porous material. Nurses complaining about been told to wear gowns with back or front not covered, some of them are so tight they cant even get into them. Keep in mind, they ordered 15 years worth of a supply, they spent millions on this, do you not think they would have ordered different sizes?

Only a few shipments have arrived though. Reid says they can still change the order and tell the Chinese 'we don't any of those and we want these instead' etc. It's not as if you fork out €250m and have to accept whatever they send you.

spookwoman · 04-04-2020 02:48AM

https://twitter.com/breakingnewsie/status/1246252906891710464?s=20

iwillyeah1234 · 04-04-2020 02:48AM

spookwoman wrote: »

These south american countries and african haven't a hope in hell
Corpses Lie For Days As Ecuador Struggles To Keep Up With COVID-19 Deaths
https://www.npr.org/sections/coronavirus-live-updates/2020/04/03/826675439/corpses-lie-for-days-as-ecuador-struggles-to-keep-up-with-covid-19-deaths

am not too worried about south america. they have some pretty substantially well off countries like Brazil, Argentina and Chile. They'll send aid. Not to mention the thousands of Cuban doctors who seem to arrive anytime there's a major emergency. They'll be grand.

Africa though - that's going to be a clusterfck if Corona really takes off. South Africa for example has enormous HIV infection rates. Lower immunity = Corona can run riot... not good at all.

iwillyeah1234 · 04-04-2020 02:53AM

spookwoman wrote: »

https://twitter.com/breakingnewsie/status/1246252906891710464?s=20

if one is utterly logical and dispassionate , what Trump is doing here is utterly correct - he's telling the Corporate world to either be "American" or fck off.

Now it could be all bluster and "fake news" or whatever - i get that. But there is a strong message coming from the White House - supply American hospitals. End of.

spookwoman · 04-04-2020 02:53AM

fritzelly wrote: »

The outpatients wards? Have noticed that too - no windows open doesn't help either even tho there is research it's better to have the windows open

Few years apart, one weekend stay. op for another, oncology ward I was put into and I remember it well because I got no sleep with the creature in the next bed w*nking all night. The most recent one again no windows open because new wing being built. Always too damn hot and stuffy

ThePopehimself · 04-04-2020 02:57AM

The HSE should have stepped in and found a way to buy every single mask from Irema, the surgical mask company in co. Limerick back in February.

By the beginning of March, Irema were making 1.3 Million Masks a week and were increasing that to 2.6 Million masks a week.

They were exporting “most of the masks internationally to western Europe and the Middle East and also selling to China.”

The HSE really missed the boat on that one.

Imagine if they had bought all the Irema Masks for just 4 weeks in a row – we would now have 10.6 Million surgical and Respirator Masks.

I heard in the briefing 2 nights ago that they are going to negotiate with a company in Limerick. (Should have happened weeks ago)

March 3rd:
‘Limerick Firm reaping benefits of soaring Face Mask Demand Around World’
https://www.breakingnews.ie/ireland/limerick-firm-reaping-benefits-of-soaring-face-mask-demand-around-world-985474.html

spookwoman · 04-04-2020 02:58AM

On a lighter note

https://twitter.com/DelsolClaire/status/1246174135715270657?s=20

iwillyeah1234 · 04-04-2020 03:01AM

ThePopehimself wrote: »

The HSE should have stepped in and found a way to buy every single mask from Irema, the surgical mask company in co. Limerick back in February.

By the beginning of March, Irema were making 1.3 Million Masks a week and were increasing that to 2.6 Million masks a week.

They were exporting “most of the masks internationally to western Europe and the Middle East and also selling to China.”

The HSE really missed the boat on that one.

Imagine if they had bought all the Irema Masks for just 4 weeks in a row – we would now have 10.6 Million surgical and Respirator Masks.

I heard in the briefing 2 nights ago that they are going to negotiate with a company in Limerick. (Should have happened weeks ago)

March 3rd:
‘Limerick Firm reaping benefits of soaring Face Mask Demand Around World’
https://www.breakingnews.ie/ireland/limerick-firm-reaping-benefits-of-soaring-face-mask-demand-around-world-985474.html

good god. i didn't know that. If they'd bought up all the masks and put them in storage, Ireland would now be at the centre of the international mask trade, and would be able to name a price. Which would go some way to fixing the economic impact of Corona.

And they completely dropped the ball on this.

Staggering incompetence. My jaw is literally dropping on that news story. Wow.

iwillyeah1234 · 04-04-2020 03:03AM

spookwoman wrote: »

On a lighter note

https://twitter.com/DelsolClaire/status/1246174135715270657?s=20

fair play to whoever put that up. Hilarious stuff.

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iwillyeah1234 · 04-04-2020 03:06AM

Airyfairy12 wrote: »

How are they allowed to get away with that? they are costing lives and taking millions of euros for way below standard products.
Also, how come other countries seem to have full body suits but Irish nurses get this? It's not making sense tbh.

Also, we have thousands of designers, dress makers, design students, seamstresses all over the country. NCAD, LIT and hundreds of FE colleges around the country have fully kitted out fashion design making studios with materials and industrial sewing machines, surely they could be redeployed to making PPE?
Dunnes Stores alone has a a large amount of employed designers.

i know the vast majority of folks on Boards hate Trump - i get it.. But what has he been banging on and on and on and on for years, like a Missus Doyle on repeat.

CHYNA

this lockdown should serve as a HUGE wakeup call for all of us.

Support your local businesses. Go to your local butcher. Go to your local tailor. Go to your local farmer. Support your local artist. Lidl/Aldi/Tesco won't save you money in the long run - because once all of those local folks are out of business , all those big supermarkets jack up the prices.

I live in Sasana, where this has run riot - and anytime i'm back in Cork, i'm always shocked at how cheap the meat is in the English market. Compared to Sasana. This is what these corporates do - low prices for a while, everyone else goes out of business, then the price hikes kick in.

Strazdas · 04-04-2020 03:10AM

ThePopehimself wrote: »

The HSE should have stepped in and found a way to buy every single mask from Irema, the surgical mask company in co. Limerick back in February.

By the beginning of March, Irema were making 1.3 Million Masks a week and were increasing that to 2.6 Million masks a week.

They were exporting “most of the masks internationally to western Europe and the Middle East and also selling to China.”

The HSE really missed the boat on that one.

Imagine if they had bought all the Irema Masks for just 4 weeks in a row – we would now have 10.6 Million surgical and Respirator Masks.

I heard in the briefing 2 nights ago that they are going to negotiate with a company in Limerick. (Should have happened weeks ago)

March 3rd:
‘Limerick Firm reaping benefits of soaring Face Mask Demand Around World’
https://www.breakingnews.ie/ireland/limerick-firm-reaping-benefits-of-soaring-face-mask-demand-around-world-985474.html

I'm not sure you read the article properly:

"We supply the HSE with surgical face masks and also supply many manufacturing companies which need to have a clean room work environment. We make two types of face mask: a surgical and a respirator."

ThePopehimself · 04-04-2020 03:11AM

iwillyeah1234 wrote: »

good god. i didn't know that. If they'd bought up all the masks and put them in storage, Ireland would now be at the centre of the international mask trade, and would be able to name a price. Which would go some way to fixing the economic impact of Corona.

And they completely dropped the ball on this.

Staggering incompetence. My jaw is literally dropping on that news story. Wow.

Yep. Ireland dropped the ball on Masks period.

They should have started buying up masks last January.

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CoVid19 Part XII - 4,604 in ROI (137 deaths) 998 in NI (56 deaths)(04/04) Read OP