CoVid19 Part XII - 4,604 in ROI (137 deaths) 998 in NI (56 deaths)(04/04) Read OP

storker · 03-04-2020 05:03PM

jackboy wrote: »

I’m thinking after this maybe there will be some extra actions taken every winter to reduce flu deaths.

Most people still going to work even though they are in a state with colds and flus may change
.

This occurred to me too. It would be great if this experience put an end to people displaying their heroic devotion to their employer by bringing their germs to work and inflicting their illnesses on their colleagues. The explosion in remote working will hopefully mean that there's at lot less of this nonsense...and less employers who expect it.

tobefrank321 · 03-04-2020 05:04PM

paleoperson wrote: »

They've been fractionally decreased because of the lockdown.

40-70% of people will likely end up getting it no matter what we do as Merkhel and many top scientists have said. Notice how they say flatten the curve, not reduce the amount under the curve.

The idea of two weeks or four weeks and we'll be back to normal is pure farce.

They will start attributing many of the deaths to other causes just like China and start up the economy again.

I think we can forget about normality.

In China they are getting back to normality but it still involves significant restrictions and continuing to wear gloves and masks when out. That will be the new normal. We will have to look at re-opening businesses and shops here but with Perspex glass to protect staff. That will be the new normal. Construction workers will be encouraged to keep some distance from others on site and might be encouraged to rotate days on site. Temperature checks would have to be common place to enter common areas. Without them, we'll never be able to reopen spaces like pubs, clubs or cinemas. Someone with a temperature of 38degrees shouldn't be allowed on a plane flying out or flying in here. And those coming from hotspots will have to isolate.

These are the kinds of things we'd have to do to get back to "normal".

Professor Moriarty · 03-04-2020 05:04PM

the.red.baron wrote: »

if they haven't tested them they can't be sure what it was, perhaps that explains it

look the UK, nursing homes etc, that man who died in the nursing home here without a test, how was he recorded

Yeah but the unexpected deaths is double those attributed to Covid-19. What else could explain such a spike other than, primarily, unreported/untested Covid-19 deaths?

03-04-2020 05:04PM

owlbethere wrote: »

How come china was able to lower their new cases within a matter of weeks and it keeps growing in Italy?

China are lying through their teeth.

ITman88 · 03-04-2020 05:04PM

the.red.baron wrote: »

is the flu less contagious though, or are you just not passing it on because of immunity

That is quiet possible.

Interestingly flu deaths aren’t always counted, ie If a person is diagnosed with influenza dies it’s not noted as cause of death.

The opposite is true of covid, if one tests positive it’s recorded as a cause of death.

kilkenny31 · 03-04-2020 05:06PM

I see the press briefing is 5.30 today. I suspect we have reached out peak of new cases so I doubt we will see a significant rise today. I'd imagine we will see anywhere between 200-400 New cases for the next few weeks and probably 10-20 deaths daily. Maybe the deaths might peak at 30+ for a few days.

is_that_so · 03-04-2020 05:07PM

Professor Moriarty wrote: »

Yeah but the unexpected deaths is double those attributed to Covid-19. What else could explain such a spike other than, primarily, unreported/untested Covid-19 deaths?

I think that is something that may never be known, we may not even get a good approximation on the numbers actually infected but we will still have a lot of data and more importantly a much better understanding of this thing.

wakka12 · 03-04-2020 05:08PM

paleoperson wrote: »

There might be something to taking more care of the flu during winter season, but the flu can not and should not be compared to or even mentioned in the same sentence as this.

The flu is generally something only the elderly die of and even they have a pretty good chance of fighting it off. What's more the flu is rare in itself and is harder to catch, it's not as contagious. When some people do have the flu YES of course you must be very careful around them.

The flu takes people who are on death's door in general, people on beds waiting to die. This is routinely taking immunocompromised people or those in their 50s, 60s and 70s who may be in fine health and have decades of life expectancy left. Here's one example:

https://www.standard.co.uk/news/uk/areema-nasreen-death-coronavirus-healthy-nhs-nurse-a4405961.html

This isn't something you can pull out of the past few years like with the flu, this is happening to many people every day. Also the flu occurs over the whole year, there is no extraordinary spike, that's another element to it.

I have personally never heard or read of anyone dying with the flu, especially not a young person. You would now and again hear of celebrities or people well known dying of car crashes or rare cancers or something like that, I don't believe I have ever in my life heard of someone like that dying of the flu, not unless they were really elderly and frail then maybe it was the final thing.

Influenza is actually one of the most common causes of deaths in the world. It is the 8th most comon cause of death, typically representing about 2% of deaths in the USA every year. That is more people than are lost through suicide.
https://www.medicalnewstoday.com/articles/282929#influenza-and-pneumonia

However, coronavirus , if left uncontrolled at least, would likely become the third leading cause of death worlwide after heart disease and cancer. Currently and for the last few days it has been the third leading cause of death in the US and many of the harder hit European countries

stephenjmcd · 03-04-2020 05:09PM

tobefrank321 wrote: »

I think we can forget about normality.

In China they are getting back to normality but it still involves significant restrictions and continuing to wear gloves and masks when out. That will be the new normal. We will have to look at re-opening businesses and shops here but with Perspex glass to protect staff. That will be the new normal. Construction workers will be encouraged to keep some distance from themselves and might be encouraged to rotate days on site. Temperature checks would have to be common place to enter common areas. Without them, we'll never be able to reopen spaces like pubs, clubs or cinemas. Someone with a temperature of 38degrees shouldn't be allowed on a plane flying out or flying in here. And those coming from hotspots will have to isolate.

These are the kinds of things we'd have to do to get back to "normal".

theres points there that aren't practical in the long run, but I do agree that the likes of perspex etc in shops are here to stay, they're of benefit to shops regardless of covid so they should stay. Might also change peoples habits when out in public going forward.

Just on the china point, their normal life was masks anyway with air pollution so that's nothing new there.

podgeandrodge · 03-04-2020 05:09PM

kilkenny31 wrote: »

I see the press briefing is 5.30 today. I suspect we have reached out peak of new cases so I doubt we will see a significant rise today. I'd imagine we will see anywhere between 200-400 New cases for the next few weeks and probably 10-20 deaths daily. Maybe the deaths might peak at 30+ for a few days.

But in the absence of a standard amount of testing, which at least we had a while back, the figures are probably distorted no?

davemckenna25 · 03-04-2020 05:10PM

kilkenny31 wrote: »

I see the press briefing is 5.30 today. I suspect we have reached out peak of new cases so I doubt we will see a significant rise today. I'd imagine we will see anywhere between 200-400 New cases for the next few weeks and probably 10-20 deaths daily. Maybe the deaths might peak at 30+ for a few days.

I doubt we are near our peak yet... not even close..:(

Stheno · 03-04-2020 05:10PM

kilkenny31 wrote: »

I see the press briefing is 5.30 today. I suspect we have reached out peak of new cases so I doubt we will see a significant rise today. I'd imagine we will see anywhere between 200-400 New cases for the next few weeks and probably 10-20 deaths daily. Maybe the deaths might peak at 30+ for a few days.

No, we have not reached the peak.

Your optimism is to be applauded

Harry Palmr · 03-04-2020 05:11PM

What are doctor certs saying? For example if someone in their 80s with a history of weak heart complications gets a bug and it finishes them off do they test for Covid 19 and if it's a positive is that considered the cause of death?

munsterlegend · 03-04-2020 05:11PM

the.red.baron wrote: »

why do you have be so MEAN

If you can’t take it don’t give it.

is_that_so · 03-04-2020 05:12PM

kilkenny31 wrote: »

I see the press briefing is 5.30 today. I suspect we have reached out peak of new cases so I doubt we will see a significant rise today. I'd imagine we will see anywhere between 200-400 New cases for the next few weeks and probably 10-20 deaths daily. Maybe the deaths might peak at 30+ for a few days.

Alas not yet. The rate of increase is what is of more interest and whether it is heading downward.

stephenjmcd · 03-04-2020 05:12PM

kilkenny31 wrote: »

I see the press briefing is 5.30 today. I suspect we have reached out peak of new cases so I doubt we will see a significant rise today. I'd imagine we will see anywhere between 200-400 New cases for the next few weeks and probably 10-20 deaths daily. Maybe the deaths might peak at 30+ for a few days.

No chance, at least another week - 10 days is what they seem to be planning towards.

c.p.w.g.w · 03-04-2020 05:13PM

Does the nurse really need to wearing the uniform at the presser in London?

MrMusician18 · 03-04-2020 05:13PM

bekker wrote: »

What's the median of 2,3,4,5,5,5,6,6,6,8,45,67,77,98 ? Hint it's not 50.

It isn't 50, obviously. It's 6.

podgeandrodge · 03-04-2020 05:13PM

the.red.baron wrote: »

why do you have be so MEAN

munsterlegend wrote: »

If you can’t take it don’t give it.

Is this some mathematical joke that I don't understand, or did you not get his joke?

ITman88 · 03-04-2020 05:14PM

Harry Palmr wrote: »

What are doctor certs saying? For example if someone in their 80s with a history of weak heart complications gets a bug and it finishes them off do they test for Covid 19 and if it's a positive is that considered the cause of death?

They are in the UK, it’s harder to find that information for Ireland

wakka12 · 03-04-2020 05:14PM

Harry Palmr wrote: »

What are doctor certs saying? For example if someone in their 80s with a history of weak heart complications gets a bug and it finishes them off do they test for Covid 19 and if it's a positive is that considered the cause of death?

I would assume on the actual death cert that multiple causes of death would be listed together, but for coronavirus statistics the death is counted as somebody killed by the virus

stephenjmcd · 03-04-2020 05:14PM

Just on Italy, these are the totals since the start after today's numbers have been announced

Coronavirus Cases:
119,827

Deaths:
14,681

Recovered:
19,758

ACTIVE CASES
85,388

Currently Infected Patients
81,320 (95%)
in Mild Condition

4,068 (5%)
Serious or Critical

c.p.w.g.w · 03-04-2020 05:14PM

Harry Palmr wrote: »

What are doctor certs saying? For example if someone in their 80s with a history of weak heart complications gets a bug and it finishes them off do they test for Covid 19 and if it's a positive is that considered the cause of death?

Its not consider the direct cause of death, but they are included in the stats as person who have died with covid-19...our 98 deaths all tested positive for covid-19, but its not necessarily the reason they passed

is_that_so · 03-04-2020 05:15PM

podgeandrodge wrote: »

Is this some mathematical joke that I don't understand, or did you not get his joke?

Yeah it's that average, mean, median nonsense that's been bouncing around here for the week! All about the stats. You can blame the CMO for starting it!

AdrianG08 · 03-04-2020 05:18PM

Harry Palmr wrote: »

What are doctor certs saying? For example if someone in their 80s with a history of weak heart complications gets a bug and it finishes them off do they test for Covid 19 and if it's a positive is that considered the cause of death?

Mother in law picked it up and it deffo finished her off despite underlying condition (cancer and diabetes). She was near the end, but died in isolation ward (not ICU) on her own.

It was not included in the Covid19 figures, know this for sure despite having tested positive for it at the hospital. Not trying to be the contrarion but know this for a fact, as we noticed her passing wasn't mentioned when figures were read out in following few days.

the.red.baron · 03-04-2020 05:18PM

munsterlegend wrote: »

If you can’t take it don’t give it.

speaking from some painful experience there i reckon

tom1ie · 03-04-2020 05:20PM

What time does the cmo go on tv at to give and explain the numbers and updates?

Rvsmmnps · 03-04-2020 05:20PM

stephenjmcd wrote: »

Just on Italy, these are today's totals

Coronavirus Cases:
119,827

Deaths:
14,681

Recovered:
19,758

ACTIVE CASES
85,388

Currently Infected Patients
81,320 (95%)
in Mild Condition

4,068 (5%)
Serious or Critical

The death total is since the start of this debacle not the start today.

shocksy · 03-04-2020 05:21PM

kilkenny31 wrote: »

I see the press briefing is 5.30 today. I suspect we have reached out peak of new cases so I doubt we will see a significant rise today. I'd imagine we will see anywhere between 200-400 New cases for the next few weeks and probably 10-20 deaths daily. Maybe the deaths might peak at 30+ for a few days.

You are extremely wrong. you really shouldn't predict these things because you will only disappoint yourself and others on this thread. We are no where near our peak.

AdrianG08 · 03-04-2020 05:21PM

c.p.w.g.w wrote: »

Its not consider the direct cause of death, but they are included in the stats as person who have died with covid-19...our 98 deaths all tested positive for covid-19, but its not necessarily the reason they passed

Not always the case

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CoVid19 Part XII - 4,604 in ROI (137 deaths) 998 in NI (56 deaths)(04/04) Read OP