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CoVid19 Part XII - 4,604 in ROI (137 deaths) 998 in NI (56 deaths)(04/04) **Read OP**

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  • #7712
    ChikiChiki
    Closed Accounts Posts: 4,949 ✭✭✭ChikiChiki


    Mentally I found this week more difficult than the previous 10 days.

    As I wrap up what was a very tough working week from home my prevailing thought is, I will never take the greatness of health, freedom and what we have on our doorstep for granted again.

    I like a big annual international holiday but cannot wait until this is over. Next couple of holidays I take is going to be 2-3 weeks in a camper spending money at home in businesses that come through this.


  • #7713
    iwillyeah1234
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 445 ✭✭iwillyeah1234


    One of our own has died as a result of being on the NHS frontline. Mother of 3 kids. Only 39.

    Aimee O’Rourke RIP

    https://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-8183773/Mother-three-NHS-nurse-36-caught-coronavirus-treating-patients-hospital-died.html


  • #7714
    Mwengwe
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 454 ✭✭Mwengwe


    paleoperson wrote: »
    What the hell are you talking about?

    You have over a 15% chance of dying if you're over 80.

    How is that "extremely low"?

    If you're over 70 you are also in a high risk bracket.

    If you're in your 40s or 50s it's still like 1%, which is hardly "extremely low" for being put into the ground. Many in their 30s have also died.

    Up to 20% of young people getting it require ICU or ventilators or they will die also.

    Many of us have other respiratory conditions and don't know how things are going to go.

    You ****ing eejit.

    I agree with your general gist here but that '20% of young people require ICU' needs some serious citation. We don't have the ability to state that statistically at the moment and I'd regard it as a little too alarmist.


  • #7715
    tobefrank321
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 4,527 ✭✭✭tobefrank321


    Gael23 wrote: »
    All of the PPE will shortly be in a big hole in the ground regardless of it being suitable

    The thing about PPE is it either has to be all perfect or not at all.

    You can have the best gown and goggles but if your mask is faulty you might as well not bother with anything.

    So any PPE we get has to be of the highest standards, all of it, not some of it, otherwise you put healthcare staff at risk.


  • #7716
    mikeoc85
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 134 ✭✭mikeoc85


    paleoperson wrote: »
    What the hell are you talking about?

    You have over a 15% chance of dying if you're over 80.

    How is that "extremely low"?

    If you're over 70 you are also in a high risk bracket.

    If you're in your 40s or 50s it's still like 1%, which is hardly "extremely low" for being put into the ground. Many in their 30s have also died.

    Up to 20% of young people getting it require ICU or ventilators or they will die also.

    Many of us have other respiratory conditions and don't know how things are going to go.

    You ****ing eejit.

    All your stats are wrong.

    Not up to 20% of young people getting it need ICU...20% of ICU are young people but that's two very different things.

    Your chances of being under 40, from Ireland and dying from this is less than 0.1%.


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  • #7717
    Strazdas
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 20,396 ✭✭✭✭Strazdas


    The problem with lockdown vs no lockdown is that Govts had no idea what they were up against and just how serious a risk the pandemic posed. Even now, nobody is sure how many people are infected and whether it is possible the idea of 'herd immunity' to Covid exists.

    Given the complete lack of knowledge about this new virus, they didn't have much choice but to lockdown.


  • #7718
    Naggdefy
    Closed Accounts Posts: 1,981 ✭✭✭Naggdefy


    Multipass wrote: »
    Why don’t we lockdown every winter in that case - we could save tens of thousands of lives a year in Europe from flu. It’s always a balance, there is no absolute respect for life in any decision.

    Well the answer is simple.

    This is not an ordinary winter flu.


  • #7719
    Bobtheman
    Site Banned Posts: 2,799 ✭✭✭Bobtheman


    Can the test results be trusted as the true picture given the slow pace of testing? I mean are they testing people who have symptoms but pass 14 days with the symptoms Im not sure.


  • #7720
    Multipass
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 1,678 ✭✭✭Multipass


    Had to shop for me and my parents today - the supermarkets are raking in cash. We’re having to buy all sorts of things from them that we would normally buy elsewhere. They effectively have a monopoly. I think it would be fair for some kind of extra tax on their profits for this period, they should have to give back to this country - especially the multinationals.


  • #7721
    iwillyeah1234
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 445 ✭✭iwillyeah1234


    ChikiChiki wrote: »
    Mentally I found this week more difficult than the previous 10 days.

    As I wrap up what was a very tough working week from home my prevailing thought is, I will never take the greatness of health, freedom and what we have on our doorstep for granted again.

    I like a big annual international holiday but cannot wait until this is over. Next couple of holidays I take is going to be 2-3 weeks in a camper spending money at home in businesses that come through this.

    St Patrick’s day next year is going to be the absolute mother of all Paddy’s days. Sentiments entirely with you mate.


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  • #7722
    Multipass
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 1,678 ✭✭✭Multipass


    Naggdefy wrote: »
    Well the answer is simple.

    This is not an ordinary winter flu.

    It’s not simple. You said lives over money. Tens of thousands is a lot of lives. Why not lockdown for them?


  • #7723
    [Deleted User]
    Posts: 5,917 ✭✭✭ [Deleted User]


    shesty wrote: »
    To change the topic slightly...


    https://www.irishtimes.com/news/world/asia-pacific/coronavirus-first-mainland-chinese-city-bans-sale-of-dog-and-cat-meat-1.4219994?mode=amp&utm_source=dlvr.it&utm_medium=twitter

    Wonder if other Asian countries follow this


  • #7724
    paleoperson
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 3,522 ✭✭✭paleoperson


    ITman88 wrote: »
    The personal attacks are obviously within forum rules which is a surprise.

    Nothing you have stated is based on fact. Nothing.
    It’s articles you have read and decided it’s fact and give you authority to post on forums in the manner you have.
    24% is utter rubbish.
    However you believe what you want, it’s a discussion forum.
    Which you are allowed break the rules of for some reason

    The central statistics office of England is "utter rubbish"?

    https://www.theguardian.com/world/2020/mar/31/england-and-wales-coronavirus-death-toll-40-higher-than-previously-stated

    Many more deaths are starting to be disregarded as pneumonia or another illness rather than Covid 19 despite it being the obvious cause.. This is going to increase dramatically in the coming few weeks as they open back the economy.

    This is what they're doing in China right now as they are starting to open things back up, with millions of people whistleblowing about it.

    Believing the government spiel about the numbers is one thing, it is hard to imagine someone how or why someone would have so little grasp of reality and so clueless as to think they are OVERREPORTING numbers just to tank their own economies.


  • #7725
    BanditLuke
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 2,600 ✭✭✭BanditLuke


    iwillyeah1234 wrote: »
    One of our own has died as a result of being on the NHS frontline. Mother of 3 kids. Only 39.

    Aimee O’Rourke RIP

    https://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-8183773/Mother-three-NHS-nurse-36-caught-coronavirus-treating-patients-hospital-died.html

    Oh my god that is awful :(


  • #7726
    deisedevil
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 3,252 ✭✭✭deisedevil


    Bobtheman wrote: »
    Can the test results be trusted as the true picture given the slow pace of testing? I mean are they testing people who have symptoms but pass 14 days with the symptoms Im not sure.

    No, they can't. The testing is nothing like a true reflection at all. Not even close.


  • #7727
    Mwengwe
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 454 ✭✭Mwengwe


    Multipass wrote: »
    Why don’t we lockdown every winter in that case - we could save tens of thousands of lives a year in Europe from flu. It’s always a balance, there is no absolute respect for life in any decision.

    Yeah in fairness I wonder how some people blank out the fact that people have been dying of starvation daily while we go about our western lifestyles.


  • #7728
    mikeoc85
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 134 ✭✭mikeoc85


    Multipass wrote: »
    It’s not simple. You said lives over money. Tens of thousands is a lot of lives. Why not lockdown for them?

    Agree with this.

    We are absolutely right to have this lockdown.

    But people claiming that others are more concerned with the economy, is downright absurd and not taking into account reality


  • #7729
    wakka12
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 9,786 ✭✭✭wakka12


    political analyst wrote: »
    So you think he's talking bull - but do you deny his claim that the 1957 pandemic didn't lead to a lockdown?

    Of course I dont deny that, do I think its right? Maybe if they had locked down 100k would have died then instead of 1 million


  • #7730
    Naggdefy
    Closed Accounts Posts: 1,981 ✭✭✭Naggdefy


    Multipass wrote: »
    It’s not simple. You said lives over money. Tens of thousands is a lot of lives. Why not lockdown for them?

    It is simple. You don't lock down for what are considered normal health risks. Colds, seasonal flu, vomiting bugs.

    Covid 19 is a novel virus with a higher death rate. It's the unknown extra deaths you're trying to save.


  • #7731
    froog
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 3,784 ✭✭✭froog


    they should stop reporting number of cases in the daily press conference. the testing program has completely broken down and the data is meaningless. daily deaths and ICU figures are all that matters now.


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  • #7732
    branie2
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 10,325 ✭✭✭✭branie2


    When the cinemas open again, you won't see me for dust when I head to our one in town.


  • #7733
    [Deleted User]
    Posts: 5,917 ✭✭✭ [Deleted User]


    Multipass wrote: »
    Had to shop for me and my parents today - the supermarkets are raking in cash. We’re having to buy all sorts of things from them that we would normally buy elsewhere. They effectively have a monopoly. I think it would be fair for some kind of extra tax on their profits for this period, they should have to give back to this country - especially the multinationals.

    What would you normally buy outside of a supermarket?


  • #7734
    fritzelly
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 18,147 ✭✭✭✭fritzelly


    Multipass wrote: »
    Had to shop for me and my parents today - the supermarkets are raking in cash. We’re having to buy all sorts of things from them that we would normally buy elsewhere. They effectively have a monopoly. I think it would be fair for some kind of extra tax on their profits for this period, they should have to give back to this country - especially the multinationals.

    Shop provides essential service - tax more

    Yeah your logic makes perfect sense


  • #7735
    tobefrank321
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 4,527 ✭✭✭tobefrank321


    skellig_rocks wrote: »
    The end of the article:


    :eek:

    The Chinese will still continue with their disgusting practices like cutting fins off sharks and throwing them back into the ocean to starve to death, or encouraging the catching and killing of rhinos and elephants for their ivory, tigers for their claws and many more.

    Its time for the Chinese mindset to enter the 21st century including around traditional medicine which for the most part is superstitious bullsh*t.


  • #7736
    Mwengwe
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 454 ✭✭Mwengwe


    Multipass wrote: »
    Had to shop for me and my parents today - the supermarkets are raking in cash. We’re having to buy all sorts of things from them that we would normally buy elsewhere. They effectively have a monopoly. I think it would be fair for some kind of extra tax on their profits for this period, they should have to give back to this country - especially the multinationals.

    Or pass it down to their employees for their service during this period.


  • #7737
    Dr. Colossus
    Closed Accounts Posts: 98 ✭✭Dr. Colossus


    UK death rate heading towards 10% :(


  • #7738
    munsterlegend
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 6,591 ✭✭✭munsterlegend


    What time is the briefing today?


  • #7739
    Rvsmmnps
    Closed Accounts Posts: 151 ✭✭Rvsmmnps


    https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=p_AyuhbnPOI&t=275s


  • #7740
    Igotadose
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 14,665 ✭✭✭✭Igotadose


    Wow. Per RTE, some of the kit recently acquired from China is not fit for purpose. Meshes with stories from other countries. Sad if true and there's planeloads more of it coming in.

    "Part of the consignment of Personal Protective Equipment, which was recently distributed to Covid-19 test centres, mobile ambulance units and hospitals, is being described as "not fit for purpose" and "unusable" by medical staff."



    https://www.rte.ie/news/2020/0403/1128300-ppe-covid-19-ireland/


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  • #7741
    Mwengwe
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 454 ✭✭Mwengwe


    Dr. Colossus wrote: »
    UK death rate heading towards 10% :(

    Their testing has been practically non-existent so the stat is almost meaningless.


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