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CoVid19 Part XII - 4,604 in ROI (137 deaths) 998 in NI (56 deaths)(04/04) **Read OP**

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  • #7472
    FVP3
    Closed Accounts Posts: 1,187 ✭✭✭FVP3


    Doctors room ghost wrote: »
    And varadkar on the phone a few days back thanking them for taking our money and blowing them kisses.
    Time to play hard ball with the sneaky fcukers now and less of the nicey niceys.
    If it’s not fit for purpose it should be flown back to them at their expense and tell them to rev up and fcuk off

    Thats a good idea, we should then source the rest of the PPE from the Antarctic.


  • #7473
    FVP3
    Closed Accounts Posts: 1,187 ✭✭✭FVP3


    MarkY91 wrote: »
    Unleash the virus on the world and then sell the world dodgy PPE gear.

    Those Chinese are a great bunch of lads.....

    I would like to sign up to your sinophobic newsletter.


  • #7474
    ShayNanigan
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 295 ✭✭ShayNanigan


    A couple of months ago it was widely reported in several countries that Chinese people were instructed to buy masks, gloves, hand sanitiser, soap, paracetamol etc. to send home. Who knows how much was sent but reports from various countries seem to point at least hundreds of thousands if not more.


  • #7475
    wakka12
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 9,786 ✭✭✭wakka12


    I wonder what things will be like in another month...

    If youd told me 3 weeks ago you think thered be 550,000 people infected and 40,000 dead in europe alone I would have said you were completely mad


  • #7476
    shocksy
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 2,610 ✭✭✭shocksy


    is_that_so wrote: »
    Germany flattening.

    Another country conveniently massaging their figures. I wouldn't trust their reports and they are far from flattening the curve.


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  • #7477
    Doctors room ghost
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 4,839 ✭✭✭Doctors room ghost


    FVP3 wrote: »
    Thats a good idea, we should then source the rest of the PPE from the Antarctic.




    If it’s not fit for purpose you would be better off without it and keeping your money.


  • #7478
    tuxy
    Closed Accounts Posts: 14,983 ✭✭✭✭tuxy


    The peoples representative in Kerry has made an important statement on the current situation




  • #7479
    paw patrol
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 2,312 ✭✭✭paw patrol


    FVP3 wrote: »
    Thats a good idea, we should then source the rest of the PPE from the Antarctic.

    Russia seems to be handy out the supplies and man power like mad.
    Italy , Iran and even USA received stuff. probably for future friendship and good PR ...

    Whatever your view on Russia it's clear china isn't the only show in town


  • #7480
    paw patrol
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 2,312 ✭✭✭paw patrol


    tuxy wrote: »
    The peoples representative in Kerry has made an important statement on the current situation



    he was spot on , fair play to him for saying it


  • #7481
    devnull
    Moderators, Motoring & Transport Moderators Posts: 11,834 Mod ✭✭✭✭devnull


    Update from the UK - Matt Hancock has said they are prepared for more than 1,000 deaths a day for several days.

    No other European country has posted a single day of over 1,000 - the UK lockdown coming too late and the too late pivot from herd immunity is likely to result in new records to be set in coming days.

    The Conservatives have blood on their hands.


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  • #7482
    SuperRabbit
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 698 ✭✭✭SuperRabbit


    https://www.wsj.com/articles/italys-coronavirus-death-toll-is-far-higher-than-reported-11585767179

    Italy's reported death rate is 10%+
    Very convincing article here saying that is a result of massive under-reporting


  • #7483
    ShayNanigan
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 295 ✭✭ShayNanigan


    wakka12 wrote: »
    I wonder what things will be like in another month...

    If youd told me 3 weeks ago you think thered be 550,000 people infected in europe and 40,000 dead I would have said you were completely mad

    I fear not better... I've noticed that all the guys who were raving mad about the press making a huge fuss about a virus that doesn't even kill as many as the regular flu have disappeared from social media. Some of them were proudly announcing they had gone for a pint and the pub was packed. At the time I told them it was too early to make assumptions and suggested they took this seriously and got told off. I hope these people are just silent because they realised what is going on and not because they have been struck down by the virus.


  • #7484
    Widdensushi
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 5,546 ✭✭✭Widdensushi


    paw patrol wrote: »
    he was spot on , fair play to him for saying it

    if Marshall was as bad at public speaking it would be cut from the show


  • #7485
    Urquell
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 160 ✭✭Urquell


    https://www.irishtimes.com/news/health/some-protection-equipment-from-china-not-ideal-hse-says-1.4219452

    Got to move away from China when this is finished. Its not worth whatever we are saving on cheap tat. Important stuff needs to be recentered here, or at a European level at the very least. If we pay more, we pay more.

    This has to be the end of it. No excuses.


  • #7486
    owlbethere
    Closed Accounts Posts: 2,329 ✭✭✭owlbethere


    ShayNanigan wrote: »
    A couple of months ago it was widely reported in several countries that Chinese people were instructed to buy masks, gloves, hand sanitiser, soap, paracetamol etc. to send home. Who knows how much was sent but reports from various countries seem to point at least hundreds of thousands if not more. No-one batted an eyelid. Now western countries are buying PPE from China and getting inferior stuff back. Does this really surprise anyone?

    Do you have any links for them reports please?

    A couple of months ago - how many months ago? - Before the Christmas? January?


  • #7487
    storker
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 5,716 ✭✭✭storker


    tuxy wrote: »
    The peoples representative in Kerry has made an important statement on the current situation



    Wouldn't it be great if Irish politicians could even manage to string a coherent sentence together? "...about the...the...the...eh...eh...eh..." It's almost unwatchable.


  • #7488
    tobefrank321
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 4,527 ✭✭✭tobefrank321


    Ace2007 wrote: »
    Most? Can you provide a source to this please and thank you

    https://www.rte.ie/news/2020/0403/1128300-ppe-covid-19-ireland/
    Elsewhere in a large Dublin hospital, nursing staff working on a ward which is exclusively for Covid-19 patients have expressed concern about the density of the material of the protective gowns they have been supplied with.

    No mention there of some.

    In addition, the HSE said they test the equipment.
    In response to questions put to them relating to unusable PPE, the HSE said: "Infection Prevention and Control clinical experts from the HSE undertake product testing on all shipments received in order to assess quality and suitability for use of the equipment.

    So they tested the equipment, found it to be too small or too dense, yet still distributed it. Lovely stuff.

    Now can I have your source to say that its only a small percentage that's not suitable. Please and Thanks.


  • #7489
    tuxy
    Closed Accounts Posts: 14,983 ✭✭✭✭tuxy


    SuperRabbit wrote: »
    https://www.wsj.com/articles/italys-coronavirus-death-toll-is-far-higher-than-reported-11585767179

    Italy's reported death rate is 10%+
    Very convincing article here saying that is a result of massive under-reporting

    Of course it is. Massive lack of testing capabilities in most countries.


  • #7490
    FVP3
    Closed Accounts Posts: 1,187 ✭✭✭FVP3


    shocksy wrote: »
    Another country conveniently massaging their figures. I wouldn't trust their reports and they are far from flattening the curve.

    Oh FFS.

    Thre are clearly people here who dont want any good news.


  • #7491
    wakka12
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 9,786 ✭✭✭wakka12


    SuperRabbit wrote: »
    https://www.wsj.com/articles/italys-coronavirus-death-toll-is-far-higher-than-reported-11585767179

    Italy's reported death rate is 10%+
    Very convincing article here saying that is a result of massive under-reporting

    Hundreds..even thousands of tourists became infected after travelling to italy. There has to be at least several million infections in the country


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  • #7492
    Widdensushi
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 5,546 ✭✭✭Widdensushi


    Urquell wrote: »
    https://www.irishtimes.com/news/health/some-protection-equipment-from-china-not-ideal-hse-says-1.4219452

    Got to move away from China when this is finished. Its not worth whatever we are saving on cheap tat. Important stuff needs to be recentered here, or at a European level at the very least. If we pay more, we pay more.

    This has to be the end of it. No excuses.

    we have to look at more than that, one of the things giving Ireland a better chance of dealing with this is our relatively low population density, so far we are encouraged to have more kids as it is seen that we need more taxpayers to support an increasing amount of elderly pensioners, that is a pyramid scheme doomed for failure in a world with ever increasing automation.


  • #7493
    Rob A. Bank
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 1,842 ✭✭✭Rob A. Bank


    MarkY91 wrote: »
    Unleash the virus on the world and then sell the world dodgy PPE gear.

    Those Chinese are a great bunch of lads.....

    The Chinese have standards for PPE just like most of the rest of the world and they have recognized manufacturers who meet that standard.

    They also have chancers and if you buy stuff on the black market in China, don't expect quality.


  • #7494
    FVP3
    Closed Accounts Posts: 1,187 ✭✭✭FVP3


    tobefrank321 wrote: »
    https://www.rte.ie/news/2020/0403/1128300-ppe-covid-19-ireland/



    No mention there of some.

    In addition, the HSE said they test the equipment.


    So they tested the equipment, found it to be too small or too dense, yet still distributed it. Lovely stuff.

    Now can I have your source to say that its only a small percentage that's not suitable. Please and Thanks.

    The RTE report said "Some", not all, or most, or indeed many.

    I wonder if the problem is that chinese people are smaller.There was a pretty big buy there in a gown with a small arm length. Maybe that was a small gown?


  • #7495
    FVP3
    Closed Accounts Posts: 1,187 ✭✭✭FVP3


    Widdensushi wrote: »
    we have to look at more than that, one of the things giving Ireland a better chance of dealing with this is our relatively low population density, so far we are encouraged to have more kids as it is seen that we need more taxpayers to support an increasing amount of elderly pensioners, that is a pyramid scheme doomed for failure in a world with ever increasing automation.

    Eh, who is encouraging us to have more kids? Except the church perhaps.


  • #7496
    Drumpot
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 19,306 ✭✭✭✭Drumpot


    tuxy wrote: »
    The peoples representative in Kerry has made an important statement on the current situation



    Can barely string a couple of coherent words together. :pac:


  • #7497
    Wibbs
    Moderators, Science, Health & Environment Moderators, Society & Culture Moderators Posts: 60,321 Mod ✭✭✭✭Wibbs


    storker wrote: »
    Wouldn't it be great if Irish politicians could even manage to string a coherent sentence together? "...about the...the...the...eh...eh...eh..." It's almost unwatchable.
    Yeah, that's a cringe inducing embarrassment. A gombeen man that was also dropped on his head as a child.

    Many worry about Artificial Intelligence. I worry far more about Organic Idiocy.



  • #7498
    con747
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 9,339 ✭✭✭con747


    devnull wrote: »
    Update from the UK - Matt Hancock has said they are prepared for more than 1,000 deaths a day for several days.

    No other European country has posted a single day of over 1,000 - the UK lockdown coming too late and the too late pivot from herd immunity is likely to result in new records to be set in coming days.

    The Conservatives have blood on their hands.

    France reported 1355 yesterday after they were made include the cases that died from the virus in nursing homes. Up until then they only reported hospital deaths. I wonder if all countries include ALL virus related deaths not just the hospital cases.

    Don't expect anything from life, just be grateful to be alive.



  • #7499
    loughside
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 497 ✭✭loughside


    Ace2007 wrote: »
    Don’t be silly of course the poster doesn’t have a source - it’s journalist - write anything look for figures and facts later.

    Some PPE not usuable - is that 1% or 20% or does that matter when wanting to sensationalise a story?

    It is understood to be from China - could the journalist not get confirmation on the story?

    In recent years and with the explosion of online reporting - there is some amount of crap written that doesn’t contain definite information.


    Millions of taxpayers euros Pi$$ed up the wall, the Chinese saw you coming.
    Serious questions will now be asked.
    Were samples inspected before ordering?
    Was due diligence and quality control carried out?
    Were medical professionals in charge of this multi-million order or just the usual career politicians with the usual `It`ll be gran lads` attitude?


  • #7500
    BluePlanet
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 2,444 ✭✭✭BluePlanet


    Dunno if this has been posted yet.
    Here is an animated GIF of Weekly US Unemployement claims through the years.
    Pretty stunning.

    https://twitter.com/benrileysmith/status/1245787069076602880


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  • #7501
    stephenjmcd
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 15,449 ✭✭✭✭stephenjmcd


    tobefrank321 wrote: »
    Sounds like the equipment was cast offs or manufactured for Chinese citizens who are smaller in stature or else outfits more suitable for chemical warfare than day to day working a hospital.

    Did they have anyone in China who could take a look over this consignment before it was despatched here? 203 million and no quality control it appears.

    No more than the table and flyers at Dublin Airport, the fight against covid19 seems to be led by rank amateurs, from the civilian/non medical side of things.

    Your talking utter nonsense yet again.
    The supplier is on a list authorized by the WHO, the likes of spain and the Dutch went off on their own hence the issues with what they got being completely faulty.

    The articles say some of the gowns aren't full arm length, not all. As was stated yesterday evening some are more heavy duty and wouldn't have been used here before, by tweaking the order I suspect they'll be getting more of these and not the usual gowns you would regularly accustomed to seeing in irish hospitals.

    As for the comment about the airport, everyone working there handing out the leaflets was HSE staff, they can't force themselves on people.

    So explain how the fight against covid is being led by non medicial people ?? Its being led by the public health emergency team, all doctors. They recommend to gov what actions to take.


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