CoVid19 Part XII - 4,604 in ROI (137 deaths) 998 in NI (56 deaths)(04/04) Read OP

gozunda · 03-04-2020 08:29AM

sadie1502 wrote: »

That never changes. Always 95% or 96% in mild condition. Still 1000s dying. *****ty virus.

For those that think mild is meh ...

Even the 'mild' cases are detailed as potentially developing pneumonia

And may deleveop other organ damage

That's no joke ....

Naos · 03-04-2020 08:30AM

Roger_007 wrote: »

There is something very strange going on with the health service. The A&Es are empty, the wards are virtually empty, (according to Dr Holohan anyway). What happened to all the patients who were on trolleys a couple of weeks ago. Were there a lot of people going to A&E who didn’t need to, or are they afraid to go now?
Is it possible that people are so scared of getting Covid19 that they not going to their doctors or to A&E even when they really should. Could this be an unintended consequence of the ‘cocoon’ policy?

A friend of mine is a Paramedic. He told us many times before, the amount of unnecessary calls that are placed and people having to be taken to A&E/Hospital is crazy.

This has clearly cut down a lot of the people who call for the sake of calling.

Achasanai · 03-04-2020 08:30AM

Just Saying wrote: »

Maybe I am not changing some setting but those graphs relate to cases.Cases cannot be compared accurately because of the gulf in tests or head of population.

You can change by case/new case/deaths and you can alter them by head of population. Tests is problematic, but as you can see from this thread, I don't think we even know how many we're doing on a daily basis.

amadangomor · 03-04-2020 08:33AM

Naos wrote: »

A friend of mine is a Paramedic. He told us many times before, the amount of unnecessary calls that are placed and people having to be taken to A&E/Hospital is crazy.

This has clearly cut down a lot of the people who call for the sake of calling.

GPs send too many people to A&E also. Maybe they will look at this going forward and have many intermediate clinics for assessment and triage although that should be the GPs job.

careless sherpa · 03-04-2020 08:33AM

rusty the athlete wrote: »

It seems as religious fanatics regard themselves in some way as being completely immune to the virus. Two weeks ago 25000 gathered for koran healing prayers in Bangladesh. A picture of them appeared in newspapers of them crammed cheek to jowel in a field. Yesterday Florida governor Ron DeSantis adds to the list of permitted “essential services” by including the attending church services potentially with "500 or more being crammed shoulder to shoulder" in such gatherings. (Source UK Independent)
According to RTE this morning, Foster in the North is also mooting at something similar.

At best religion seems like fairy stories for adults who still believe in fairies and cannot admit it, but at worse and in the current situation its a major and potent threat to our lives and well-being unless a lid is not put on this dangerous idiocy.

Some DUP councilor was droning on about how this is linked to gay marriage and abortion. High quality political representative

kilns · 03-04-2020 08:37AM

Have just been on an internal webinar for Novartis employess hosted by their management and lead researchers and they confirm a vaccination will be available to the world Jan - Apr 2021. This is from the biggest pharamceutical company in the world so this is the correct time frame over which any politician will tell you.

Therefore, we may see restrictions for the rest of the year

celt262 · 03-04-2020 08:40AM

kilns wrote: »

Have just been on an internal webinar for Novartis employess hosted by their management and lead researchers and they confirm a vaccination will be available to the world Jan - Apr 2021. This is from the biggest pharamceutical company in the world so this is the correct time frame over which any politician will tell you.

Therefore, we may see restrictions for the rest of the year

Thanks for the update can put up with it when we know there is an end in sight.

GooglePlus · 03-04-2020 08:43AM

beolight wrote: »

Watching CNN now story about dogs which have been trained to sniff virus they have been used in the past to give hospitals all clear for SARS so if covid 19 has a specific smell they can be trained

It turned out they just stopped doing sausages in the canteen the day they got the all clear.

jackboy · 03-04-2020 08:44AM

kilns wrote: »

Have just been on an internal webinar for Novartis employess hosted by their management and lead researchers and they confirm a vaccination will be available to the world Jan - Apr 2021. This is from the biggest pharamceutical company in the world so this is the correct time frame over which any politician will tell you.

Therefore, we may see restrictions for the rest of the year

Yeah, I wouldn’t believe everything in a corporate ‘webinar’.

Kermit.de.frog · 03-04-2020 08:44AM

Originally Posted by mike_ie
Mod: End it, both of you. Or I'm pulling the plug on your posting rights to the thread.

We are too big to fail.:cool:

is_that_so · 03-04-2020 08:45AM

I see the "game-changing" UK antibody tests are not quite as promising.

https://www.independent.co.uk/news/uk/politics/coronavirus-test-uk-antibody-public-health-england-covid-19-downing-street-a9443266.html

Akrasia · 03-04-2020 08:48AM

beolight wrote: »

Watching CNN now story about dogs which have been trained to sniff virus they have been used in the past to give hospitals all clear for SARS so if covid 19 has a specific smell they can be trained

Would take years.
Took me years to still not fully train my dog to roll in fox sh1t

is_that_so · 03-04-2020 08:49AM

kilns wrote: »

Have just been on an internal webinar for Novartis employess hosted by their management and lead researchers and they confirm a vaccination will be available to the world Jan - Apr 2021. This is from the biggest pharmaceutical company in the world so this is the correct time frame over which any politician will tell you.

Therefore, we may see restrictions for the rest of the year

That's doubtful and pretty unsustainable. There are other trials planned and underway in the search for treatments to manage infections. It's always been about the curve with this and ultimately protecting those most likely at risk.

Tokyo · 03-04-2020 08:52AM

Mod:

@Kermit.de.frog - Don't post in the thread again. Cheers.

Akrasia · 03-04-2020 08:53AM

gozunda wrote: »

For those that think mild is meh ...

Even the 'mild' cases are detailed as potentially developing pneumonia

And may deleveop other organ damage

That's no joke ....

Yep. Mild is categorized as anything short of requiring hospitalization, and the bar for requiring hospitalization has increased so an illness that would have put you in hospital 6 months ago is now officially mild if you and your gp think you can tough it out at home

There may be some ‘mild’ illnesses that result in death if there’s a misjudgment

Jim_Hodge · 03-04-2020 08:55AM

macmahon wrote: »

Wiki Coronavirus.

And what? Does it state influenza is a coronavirus?

Kermit.de.frog · 03-04-2020 08:57AM

mike_ie wrote: »

Mod:

@Kermit.de.frog - Don't post in the thread again. Cheers.

I will.

What do you think about that?

Mod: 1 week ban for continually ignoring mod instructions.

is_that_so · 03-04-2020 08:57AM

Here's news of another potential vaccine, based off work done for SARS and MERS.

http://www.sci-news.com/medicine/pittcovacc-covid-19-vaccine-08291.html

kilns · 03-04-2020 09:03AM

jackboy wrote: »

Yeah, I wouldn’t believe everything in a corporate ‘webinar’.

This is not for public consumption its a peer to peer conversation, you cant pull the wool over the eyes of people in the industry which you can with the general public

kilns · 03-04-2020 09:05AM

is_that_so wrote: »

That's doubtful and pretty unsustainable. There are other trials planned and underway in the search for treatments to manage infections. It's always been about the curve with this and ultimately protecting those most likely at risk.

INteresting to know why you think it is unsustainable

The curve is a short term win with society lockdown in place which is unsustainable in itself

is_that_so · 03-04-2020 09:06AM

kilns wrote: »

This is not for public consumption its a peer to peer conversation so no bull

Well it does match the general timeframe for a vaccine that has been floated about so not really any reason to doubt it.

kilns · 03-04-2020 09:07AM

is_that_so wrote: »

Well it does match the general timeframe for a vaccine that has been floated about so not really any reason to doubt it.

and to be honest it would have been sooner but companies had no interest in researching it as it did not make commercial sense in Dec/Jan but obviously things have changed

rusty the athlete · 03-04-2020 09:09AM

frillyleaf wrote: »

A lot of the general public have a choice that removes the need for masks. We can social distance.

Probably not a bad idea to wear a mask and keep a safe physical distance.

is_that_so · 03-04-2020 09:14AM

kilns wrote: »

INteresting to know why you think it is unsustainable

The curve is a short term win with society lockdown in place which is unsustainable in itself

There is really no way for people nor economies to sustain a very long term restriction, where the cure would be many times worse than the disease. In the absence of vaccine I can see them looking at other mitigating treatments, maintaining a readiness to apply restrictions, tracking through very widescale testing and having a response system. The situation we are now in cannot effectively remain for more than 4-6 weeks. There are already signs of strain in Greece and Italy.

is_that_so · 03-04-2020 09:16AM

kilns wrote: »

and to be honest it would have been sooner but companies had no interest in researching it as it did not make commercial sense in Dec/Jan but obviously things have changed

True and it might never be commercial if this thing just vanishes.

2u2me · 03-04-2020 09:17AM

is_that_so wrote: »

Well it does match the general timeframe for a vaccine that has been floated about so not really any reason to doubt it.

I believe this is the bare minimum time frame being floated about. They have been able to sequence the genome of this virus much quicker than previous sars or mers outbreaks but remember vaccines still haven't been developed for either of those virus' now 17 years on.

kilns · 03-04-2020 09:20AM

2u2me wrote: »

I believe this is the bare minimum time frame being floated about. They have been able to sequence the genome of this virus much quicker than previous sars or mers outbreaks but remember vaccines still haven't been developed for either of those virus' now 17 years on.

You would be surprised when resources are focused on a particular area what can be achieved. At this stage it is a PR race to get a vaccine out there as no pharma company is going to make much profit on a vaccine but the way the world works, if Novartis for example produce the vaccine the US Govt will be forever in their debt and we all know what that means

Danzy · 03-04-2020 09:23AM

2u2me wrote: »

I believe this is the bare minimum time frame being floated about. They have been able to sequence the genome of this virus much quicker than previous sars or mers outbreaks but remember vaccines still haven't been developed for either of those virus' now 17 years on.

They stopped working on them as the viruses burnt out.

There are at least 40 vaccines being developed with several already at human trials, to say it has been fast is an understatement.

Still will probably be next year before a shoulder is jabbed.

Funsterdelux · 03-04-2020 09:34AM

Kermit.de.frog wrote: »

I will.

What do you think about that?

Mod: 1 week ban for continually ignoring mod instructions.

Logan Roy · 03-04-2020 09:41AM

Delighted the thread will be rid of that nutter for a bit....

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CoVid19 Part XII - 4,604 in ROI (137 deaths) 998 in NI (56 deaths)(04/04) Read OP