CoVid19 Part XII - 4,604 in ROI (137 deaths) 998 in NI (56 deaths)(04/04) Read OP

saabsaab · 02-04-2020 04:42PM

bekker wrote: »

In the context of the original post.

Article 13 of the 1997 Regulations makes it an offence to cycle on a footpath unless you are entering or exiting a property.

Plus there is the obstruction element which is also and offence.

The full statement from Citizens advice is

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Since 2015 the laws governing cycling have been regulated into specific fixed charge offences. Gardaí have the power to stop and fine a cyclist if they commit a fixed charge offence. Cycling on a footpath is not a fixed charge offence. However other laws do include it as an offence.

Article 11 of the Road Traffic (Traffic and Parking) (Amendment) (No. 2) Regulations 2012 prohibits you from cycling beyond a traffic sign that prohibits bicycles
Article 13 of the 1997 Regulations makes it an offence to cycle on a footpath unless you are entering or exiting a property
Article 45 of the 1997 Regulations (as amended by the Road Traffic (Traffic and Parking) (Amendment) Regulations 1998), you must not cycle in a pedestrianised street or area during the period indicated by the sign

Although it is not a fixed charge offence to cycle on a footpath a cyclist could be fined for doing so if a Garda deemed their cycling to be without ’reasonable consideration‘.

moany fuc · 02-04-2020 04:43PM

Isn't testing a little useless anyway. By the time you get the result which could be negative what's not to say you havent picked it up in the meantime.

If you get the virus and are sick enough to go to hospital you will go or be sent anyway.

I would prefer to see an antibody test to see if that sore throat I had a few weeks ago was covid 19

tobefrank321 · 02-04-2020 04:43PM

spookwoman wrote: »

https://twitter.com/SkyNews/status/1245710376194498562?s=20

Sad. An awful lot of celebrities are dying from this all over the world.

josip · 02-04-2020 04:44PM

CitizenFloor wrote: »

Was it clarified by a trusted source if ICU capacity is the same as ventilator capacity? And links where it is clarified?
My understanding was that ICU capacity does not equal ventilator capacity.
We increased our ICU beds, did we increase ventilators?

Correct, I've seen at least one report where they differentiated between ICU beds and beds with just a ventilator.
Does that mean that,

all ICU beds have a ventilator but that not all beds with a ventilator are ICU beds or,
that not all ICU beds have a ventilator but all beds with a ventilator are ICU beds or
not all ICU beds have a ventilator and not all beds with a ventilator are ICU beds?

Someone here posted a few thousand posts ago why an ICU nurse is needed to operate the ventilators for Covid-19 patients.
The pressures required are quite high and the level of sedation then needs to be high.
Which leads to all sorts of knock on effects which need to be managed by a properly trained nurse.

So in my head our Covid 19 ICU capacity is MIN {#Beds, #Ventilators, #ICU Nurses}

Kermit.de.frog · 02-04-2020 04:44PM

New York has just reported 8,470 new cases and 153 deaths so far today.

Cuomo just tweeted

https://twitter.com/NYGovCuomo/status/1245738389908918272

moany fuc · 02-04-2020 04:45PM

tobefrank321 wrote: »

Sad. An awful lot of celebrities are dying from this all over the world.

Sad..... an awful lot of "people" are dying all over the world from this.

tobefrank321 · 02-04-2020 04:45PM

moany fuc wrote: »

Isn't testing a little useless anyway. By the time you get the result which could be negative what's not to say you havent picked it up in the meantime.

If you get the virus and are sick enough to go to hospital you will go or be sent anyway.

I would prefer to see an antibody test to see if that sore throat I had a few weeks ago was covid 19

Very good point. And yes the anti body test is probably just as important.

Those who can't get tested should at least have the option of the antibody test.

bekker · 02-04-2020 04:46PM

saabsaab wrote: »

The full statement from Citizens advice is

'
Since 2015 the laws governing cycling have been regulated into specific fixed charge offences. Gardaí have the power to stop and fine a cyclist if they commit a fixed charge offence. Cycling on a footpath is not a fixed charge offence. However other laws do include it as an offence.
Article 11 of the Road Traffic (Traffic and Parking) (Amendment) (No. 2) Regulations 2012 prohibits you from cycling beyond a traffic sign that prohibits bicycles

Article 13 of the 1997 Regulations makes it an offence to cycle on a footpath unless you are entering or exiting a property

Article 45 of the 1997 Regulations (as amended by the Road Traffic (Traffic and Parking) (Amendment) Regulations 1998), you must not cycle in a pedestrianised street or area during the period indicated by the sign

Although it is not a fixed charge offence to cycle on a footpath a cyclist could be fined for doing so if a Garda deemed their cycling to be without ’reasonable consideration‘.

Last post on this, it's barely on topic. The unbolded is the law, the bolded is an opinion.

tobefrank321 · 02-04-2020 04:46PM

moany fuc wrote: »

Sad..... an awful lot of "people" are dying all over the world from this.

Every death from this is a tragedy.

joe_99 · 02-04-2020 04:47PM

tobefrank321 wrote: »

A normal flu hits about 20-25% of the world population in any give year.

Covid 19 has so far hit about 0.12% of the world population. If it hit the same number of people as flu, you'd be talking a far high number of deaths, ie in the tens of millions.

20% to 25% of the worlds population get the flu every year? 2 Billion people???

moany fuc · 02-04-2020 04:47PM

tobefrank321 wrote: »

Every death from this is a tragedy.

Exactly...... celebrity or not.

02-04-2020 04:51PM

joe_99 wrote: »

20% to 25% of the worlds population get the flu every year? 2 Billion people???

Maybe that includes the common cold, which would make the number more believable

bekker · 02-04-2020 04:53PM

moany fuc wrote: »

Isn't testing a little useless anyway. By the time you get the result which could be negative what's not to say you havent picked it up in the meantime.

If you get the virus and are sick enough to go to hospital you will go or be sent anyway.

I would prefer to see an antibody test to see if that sore throat I had a few weeks ago was covid 19

There are a number just coming onto the market, their % effectivity only time will tell.

https://www.sciencemag.org/news/2020/03/new-blood-tests-antibodies-could-show-true-scale-coronavirus-pandemic

https://www.medicaldevice-network.com/news/bd-biomedomics-test-covid-19-exposure/

Kermit.de.frog · 02-04-2020 04:54PM

Italy reports 4668 new cases, 760 new deaths

New cases down slightly on yesterday but deaths up from 727.

JP Liz V1 · 02-04-2020 04:54PM

[Deleted User] wrote: »

The first day that the death toll got to double figures (a week ago maybe) we were told that was because of a nursing home cluster

Yes I thought the same

ITman88 · 02-04-2020 04:57PM

tobefrank321 wrote: »

Fair point. 1 million confirmed cases. But likely at least 7 million cases in total.

Which makes for 0.01% of the world population.

The important point is covid 19 is far more fatal than flu. And if the same percentage of the worlds population was infected as normal flu, the death toll would be in the tens of millions.

Your last statement may not be correct due to the fact that if a patient that has tested positive for covid dies, covid is officially the cause of death.

If a patient with influenza dies, it will not always be recorded as the cause of death.

Health officials have admitted that until the year is over they won’t know if covid is worse than flu as regards death rate.

It is however causing havoc regarding ICU dependancy in Italy.

tobefrank321 · 02-04-2020 04:57PM

joe_99 wrote: »

20% to 25% of the worlds population get the flu every year? 2 Billion people???

OK I checked up and its about 9%. In the US its about 20% which is a stat I remember reading.

There's not too many sources but this one is from 2009.

https://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pmc/articles/PMC3278149/

Influenza is a highly contagious respiratory illness that is responsible for significant morbidity and mortality. Approximately 9% of the world’s population is affected annually, with up to 1 billion infections, 3 to 5 million severe cases, and 300,000 to 500,000 deaths each year.
In the U.S. alone, nearly 20% of the population is affected. On average, 25 to 50 million documented influenza cases, 225,000 hospitalizations, and ultimately more than 20,000 deaths occur every year.

The US are hoping in a best case scenario to come out of covid19 with 100-200,000 deaths. Without a lockdown, they estimate 1-2 million. That's a lot more than the 20,000 or so deaths from normal flu.

stephenjmcd · 02-04-2020 04:58PM

Kermit.de.frog wrote: »

Italy reports 4668 new cases, 760 new deaths

New cases down slightly on yesterday but deaths up from 727.

New cases are steady for the last few days which is good news.

The deaths will always take a little longer to come out and you would suspect it'll stay high for a few more weeks given most would have been in ICU for a period of time prior to death.

RIP to them all

murpho999 · 02-04-2020 05:00PM

Sono Topolino wrote: »

Can we ban people from cycling and going out jogging altogether? The 2km rule has only made Rathmines more busy as people who would have gone to UCD are exercising locally. The paths here are narrow physical distancing is not being adhered to.

Cyclists should not be on the path simple.

As for runners, well it's important to get the exercise, if the paths are narrow then it's the same problem if people are walking so I don't see the difference to be honest, just do the same as you would do with a walker.

Cork Boy 53 · 02-04-2020 05:00PM

Anyone know if Tony Holohan will be doing the Dept. of Health press conference this evening or will it be his deputy again? I know he was released from hospital but he might be taking a break for a few days.

Rob A. Bank · 02-04-2020 05:02PM

Health Workers and patients running short of items in the UK.

NHS nurses are turning to online crowdfunding to ask for donations of everyday essentials including sanitary products, bedding and hand cream as some hospitals run low on basic items before the peak of the UK’s coronavirus outbreak...

The nationwide shortage of personal protective equipment has been a focus of criticism of the UK’s handling of the crisis. The apparent shortage of everyday essentials has been less well-documented and comes a fortnight before coronavirus admissions are expected to peak.

Swansea Bay health board also appealed for donations of dressing gowns, slippers and sanitary towels for patients. In a post on its charity Facebook page, it said patients were running out of toiletries and clean nightclothes because almost all visits had been cancelled because of coronavirus. “This is already a problem and likely to get worse in the weeks ahead,” it said.

https://www.theguardian.com/society/2020/apr/02/nhs-nurses-resort-to-online-wish-lists-to-source-everyday-items

I imagine the same problems will surface here... Anyone know if the hospitals here are asking for help with these everyday essentials?

stephenjmcd · 02-04-2020 05:03PM

Cork Boy 53 wrote: »

Anyone know if Tony Holohan will be doing the Dept. of Health press conference this evening or will it be his deputy again? I know he was released from hospital but he might be taking a break for a few days.

Yeah he's doing the briefing today

Seamai · 02-04-2020 05:04PM

Cork Boy 53 wrote: »

Anyone know if Tony Holohan will be doing the Dept. of Health press conference this evening or will it be his deputy again? I know he was released from hospital but he might be taking a break for a few days.

I heard on the news earlier that he was expected back this evening. Anyone get a time for the today's press briefing?

Obvious Desperate Breakfasts · 02-04-2020 05:04PM

tobefrank321 wrote: »

Very good point. And yes the anti body test is probably just as important.

Those who can't get tested should at least have the option of the antibody test.

It doesn't exist yet. It's being developed and I think the FDA has approved it but honestly, I'd wonder about its efficacy if it's been rushed. How much of a chance of a false positive or negative is there? Germany has rolled out antibody testing but considering it's just being evaluated elsewhere, I'd be cautious about trusting it. The German programme is a trial.

Strazdas · 02-04-2020 05:04PM

Cork Boy 53 wrote: »

Anyone know if Tony Holohan will be doing the Dept. of Health press conference this evening or will it be his deputy again? I know he was released from hospital but he might be taking a break for a few days.

RTE on their lunchtime bulletin said he is expected to do the briefing as usual.

ITman88 · 02-04-2020 05:04PM

tobefrank321 wrote: »

Every death from this is a tragedy.

Correction.
Every death is a tragedy.

Cork Boy 53 · 02-04-2020 05:05PM

Kermit.de.frog wrote: »

Italy reports 4668 new cases, 760 new deaths

New cases down slightly on yesterday but deaths up from 727.

So do people think the Italians are past the peak or is it going to get worse still there?

Cody montana · 02-04-2020 05:05PM

Getting close to 1 million cases,

Tony EH · 02-04-2020 05:05PM

Fr_Dougal wrote: »

HSE covering their arses from litigation, nothing new there. Wank3rs.

Funkfield wrote: »

Shockin language for a priest

I blame Len Brennan.

clappyhappy · 02-04-2020 05:06PM

Just heard that my friends first cousin died from covid 19 yesterday, 43 year old man, 4 kids, no underlying conditions. Went into hospital on Monday, tested, results came back today positive but he died yesterday. Absolutely heartbreaking, this is really scaring the s**t out of me now. Stay stay folks and stay away.

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CoVid19 Part XII - 4,604 in ROI (137 deaths) 998 in NI (56 deaths)(04/04) Read OP