CoVid19 Part XII - 4,604 in ROI (137 deaths) 998 in NI (56 deaths)(04/04) Read OP

ITman88 · 02-04-2020 04:20PM

Strazdas wrote: »

Scientists think deaths would be at least ten times higher in every country i.e. 200,000 instead of 20,000 etc.

Have you links for this?
Another poster posted a recent study where so far across 11 countries 59k have been saved

tobefrank321 · 02-04-2020 04:21PM

growleaves wrote: »

Where is that 0.12% figure from?

Actually make that 0.02%. 1 million cases out of a world population of 7 billion.

Although realistically there's probably about 7 million cases of covid 19. So 0.1% of the world population.

ITman88 · 02-04-2020 04:23PM

tobefrank321 wrote: »

A normal flu hits about 20-25% of the world population in any give year.

Covid 19 has so far hit about 0.12% of the world population. If it hit the same number of people as flu, you'd be talking a far high number of deaths, ie in the tens of millions.

Rubbish.

The actual figure of covid positive cases is exponentially higher due to people having it and not having symptoms.

Some posters contradict themselves a bit

josip · 02-04-2020 04:23PM

Deleted User wrote: »

Josepha Madigan just admonished the Dail for insisting on sitting. Then went on to mention how she would be announcing responses to Covid-19 from her department. A certain amount of politicking going on. You could say it's also not essential for Taoiseach and Minister of Health to visit Citywest with a camera crew following them. Or, again, that daily in-person press conferences with the HSE aren't necessary.

Ah, that pillar of virtue Josepha, advisor to Maria.

Funkfield · 02-04-2020 04:23PM

Kermit.de.frog wrote: »

A perspective from the 6 counties. A DUP councillor.

Anyone?

At last, a voice of reason

2u2me · 02-04-2020 04:23PM

tobefrank321 wrote: »

Actually make that 0.02%. 1 million cases out of a world population of 7 billion.

Although realistically its probably about 7 million cases of covid 19. So 0.1% of the world population.

The new Imperial College London report speculates somewhere between 1.88% and 11.43% are already infected in the 11 European countries it has studied. I guess we won't know until we actually do the tests.

tobefrank321 · 02-04-2020 04:24PM

ITman88 wrote: »

Rubbish.

The actual figure of covid positive cases is exponentially higher due to people having it and not having symptoms.

Some posters contradict themselves a bit

Fair point. 1 million confirmed cases. But likely at least 7 million cases in total.

Which makes for 0.01% of the world population.

The important point is covid 19 is far more fatal than flu. And if the same percentage of the worlds population was infected as normal flu, the death toll would be in the tens of millions.

boardlady · 02-04-2020 04:25PM

In Austria, from Monday coming, you will not be allowed out in public unless you are wearing a mask. Every country is making their own regulations, in their own time, so far. It is not unforeseeable that we will be told to wear some sort of nose and mouth cover when we are out in time.

DisneyLover · 02-04-2020 04:25PM

is_that_so wrote: »

From RTE Feed.

Our cancer patients where moved last week to our private hospital. This is already happening.

jobeenfitz · 02-04-2020 04:26PM

[Deleted User] wrote: »

But as long as that wave is within ICU capacity, then is okay. It is ICU capacity that is the driver for restrictions.....not an attempt to halt the virus

We all would be more educated in virus spread and our role if there is a 2nd wave.

Health systems would presumably better stocked and more effective in the fight next wave.

Some of the most vulnerable already dead so maybe less deaths because of this.

Masks more available for all?

Maybe 2nd wave wouldn't cause as much havoc as this time?

voluntary · 02-04-2020 04:26PM

Kermit.de.frog wrote: »

A perspective from the 6 counties. A DUP councillor.

Anyone?

Middle Ages

02-04-2020 04:27PM

Kermit.de.frog wrote: »

A perspective from the 6 counties. A DUP councillor.

Anyone?

Think he posts on the Christianity forums on here and most read like a conspiracy theory. In other words not really worth the bandwidth

1st dalkey dalkey · 02-04-2020 04:27PM

topper75 wrote: »

How does your stat sit alongside 'normal business', if that is even available?

There doesn't seem be much in the way of distinction in any country between OF covid and WITH covid. If you are in God's waiting room anyway, you are likely in an institution that is riddled with the bastard, one that operates as a straw on a camel back.

We are all in God's waiting room.

Some more or less 'riddled' with 'underlying conditions'.

My mother died of a heart attack. She died with cancer. The cancer strained her heart to the point where it gave out.

Which 'killed' her?

spookwoman · 02-04-2020 04:27PM

Hrududu wrote: »

So if we did all that with cats and dogs it would be ok to eat them?

Probably would, I know I wouldn't eat them same way I wouldn't eat pigs feet.

bekker · 02-04-2020 04:28PM

saabsaab wrote: »

Not true here. May be true in UK or parts.

'Although it is not a fixed charge offence to cycle on a footpath a cyclist could be fined for doing so if a Garda deemed their cycling to be without 'reasonable consideration'

In the context of the original post.

Article 13 of the 1997 Regulations makes it an offence to cycle on a footpath unless you are entering or exiting a property.

Plus there is the obstruction element which is also and offence.

tobefrank321 · 02-04-2020 04:28PM

2u2me wrote: »

The new Imperial College London report speculates somewhere between 1.88% and 11.43% are already infected in the 11 European countries it has studied. I guess we won't know until we actually do the tests.

I think the tests are quickly becoming pointless.

In fact I think the WHO advice was another mistake by them to go with the advice against travel bans and not isolating until you display symptoms. The WHO advice was aspirational like much of the advice coming from them such as advising against travel bans.

If you test test test, which we did in Ireland for a few weeks, you waste a hell of a lot of tests.

We should have been testing vital front line workers and those who display symptoms. Those who don't display symptoms are unlikely to go for a test anyways.

We wasted all our tests on the hypochondriacs and now we have no tests left to check front line workers. More WHO inspired madness.

munster87 · 02-04-2020 04:30PM

marno21 wrote: »

Tony H is back at work

https://twitter.com/sandra_hurley/status/1245640109711486977

Fantastic news. Great to see him recovered

Great to see him recovered but give him a few days off maybe.

CitizenFloor · 02-04-2020 04:30PM

Was it clarified by a trusted source if ICU capacity is the same as ventilator capacity? And links where it is clarified?

My understanding was that ICU capacity does not equal ventilator capacity.

We increased our ICU beds, did we increase ventilators?

growleaves · 02-04-2020 04:31PM

Actually make that 0.02%. 1 million cases out of a world population of 7 billion.

Although realistically its probably about 7 million cases of covid 19. So 0.1% of the world population.

Ah but realistically its unknown. How many millions of asymptomatic cases are out there right now?

Any disease when it first appeared - encephalitis lethargica, Hong Kong Flu, Swine Flu - might have gone on to be deadlier than the Black Death before we knew enough about it to say it wasn't.

gozunda · 02-04-2020 04:31PM

Hrududu wrote: »

So if we did all that with cats and dogs it would be ok to eat them?

Wtf are you on about? Such meat is **** quality meat. From a feed conversion ratio it makes no sense to farm either of those species.

And for that reason meat from cats and dogs largely come from backstreet operations in poorer countries. Many of the animals are stolen to provide a supply. There is little or no regulation, trade is often illegal and has been banned on health and safety grounds in many countries as biologically predators as a rule do not consume other carnivores (there are some few exceptions)

So stop banging the vegan drum with the usual bull**** 'dog thou' crap.

Urquell · 02-04-2020 04:33PM

Kermit.de.frog wrote: »

A perspective from the 6 counties. A DUP councillor.

Anyone?

Surely our Danny Healy Rae can bate that !

Fann Linn · 02-04-2020 04:33PM

tobefrank321 wrote: »

I think the tests are quickly becoming pointless.

In fact I think the WHO advice was another mistake by them to go with the advice against travel bans and not isolating until you display symptoms. The WHO advice was aspirational like much of the advice coming from them such as advising against travel bans.

If you test test test, which we did in Ireland for a few weeks, you waste a hell of a lot of tests.

We should have been testing vital front line workers and those who display symptoms. Those who don't display symptoms are unlikely to go for a test anyways.

We wasted all our tests on the hypochondriacs and now we have no tests left to check front line workers. More WHO inspired madness.

'We wasted all our tests following govt and hse guidelines.....'
fyp.

Seamai · 02-04-2020 04:37PM

bekker wrote: »

In the context of the original post.

Article 13 of the 1997 Regulations makes it an offence to cycle on a footpath unless you are entering or exiting a property.

Thanks for posting that, tired of getting abuse when I politely point it out, a cyclist clipped me today on a footpath while I was out for a walk, it was followed by a billow of smoke from a vaper that smelt like kids bubblegum. He wasn't a child and the roads are practically deserted.

tobefrank321 · 02-04-2020 04:38PM

Fann Linn wrote: »

'We wasted all our tests following govt and hse guidelines.....'
fyp.

The govt and hse have followed WHO guidelines from the start, guidelines like not restricting travel from hotspots. They are still by and large following those guidelines.

The test test test advice from the WHO has led to a worldwide shortage of materials for testing and processing meaning critical front line staff don't know if they are covid 19 positive or not as they can't get results.

But at least we know all the hypochondriacs are negative thanks to the WHO.

Rob A. Bank · 02-04-2020 04:39PM

tobefrank321 wrote: »

I think the tests are quickly becoming pointless.

In fact I think the WHO advice was another mistake by them to go with the advice against travel bans and not isolating until you display symptoms. The WHO advice was aspirational like much of the advice coming from them such as advising against travel bans.

If you test test test, which we did in Ireland for a few weeks, you waste a hell of a lot of tests.

We should have been testing vital front line workers and those who display symptoms. Those who don't display symptoms are unlikely to go for a test anyways.

We wasted all our tests on the hypochondriacs and now we have no tests left to check front line workers. More WHO inspired madness.

WHO were making the simple point that it is very difficult to fight a fire if you do not know where it is.

Thus test, test, test... to find and isolate the Covid-19 cases and their contacts.

kenmc · 02-04-2020 04:39PM

voluntary wrote: »

Middle Ages

Hardly that enlightened. I believe he actually chipped that message out of a piece of slate with a flint axe. Stone age neanderthal

spookwoman · 02-04-2020 04:39PM

https://twitter.com/SkyNews/status/1245710376194498562?s=20

2u2me · 02-04-2020 04:41PM

tobefrank321 wrote: »

The govt and hse have followed WHO guidelines from the start, guidelines like not restricting travel from hotspots. They are still by and large following those guidelines.

The test test test advice from the WHO has led to a worldwide shortage of materials for testing meaning critical front line staff don't know if they are covid 19 positive or not.

But at least we know all the hypochondriacs are negative thanks to the WHO.

Apparently South Korea had a system whereby you could order and pay for the test yourself, but if you came back positive the government paid it for you. I think this is a good compromise.

To your part in bold; have you got some source? I've read chemical companies are queuing up to make this stuff.

bekker · 02-04-2020 04:42PM

Seamai wrote: »

Thanks for posting that, tired of getting abuse when I politely point it out, a cyclist clipped me today on a footpath while I was out for a walk, it was followed by a billow of smoke from a vaper that smelt like kids bubblegum. He wasn't a child and the roads are practically deserted.

Ah, but he was 'entitled' ^and emboldened^ by the previous incarnation of the present caretaker government. Law and order ??????

tobefrank321 · 02-04-2020 04:42PM

Rob A. Bank wrote: »

WHO were making the simple point that it is very difficult to fight a fire if you do not know where it is.

Thus test, test, test... to find and isolate the Covid-19 cases and their contacts.

Its possible our government misinterpreted what they meant and took it to heart.

We can't test everyone. We are struggling to test 1% of the population. We need to prioritise going forward. Front line medics first. Those in vulnerable categories next who report symptoms. Then maybe other essential workers.

Everyone else should assume they have it and stay at home for the next few weeks.

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CoVid19 Part XII - 4,604 in ROI (137 deaths) 998 in NI (56 deaths)(04/04) Read OP