CoVid19 Part XII - 4,604 in ROI (137 deaths) 998 in NI (56 deaths)(04/04) Read OP

Ace2007 · 02-04-2020 02:07PM

Deleted User wrote: »

Banks returning the favour after we bailed them out?? Unlikely.

Just on this - you say we bailed the banks out - if we didn't anyone with savings could have lost them, or a % of them like in other counties.

Ludwig Wittgenstein · 02-04-2020 02:07PM

facehugger99 wrote: »

Restrictions will have to be lifted at the start of May at the absolute latest.

The current situation is completely unsustainable and ultimately pointless.

People are going to have to put on their big-boy and big-girl pants and learn how to live with the virus, because we're not going to have a society to save after a couple of months of this.

The Govt. need to start preparing the social-media hysteria merchants for a staggered relaxation of restrictions and a return to some form of normality.

Why not borrow to tide us over?

devnull · 02-04-2020 02:07PM

https://twitter.com/DHSCgovuk/status/1245697882130395136

Still little testing in UK

Lord Fairlord · 02-04-2020 02:08PM

People may not have seen this; from Prof Walter Ricciardi from a Telegraph article on Italian Covid deaths.

"“The way in which we code deaths in our country is very generous in the sense that all the people who die in hospitals with the coronavirus are deemed to be dying of the coronavirus.

“On re-evaluation by the National Institute of Health, only 12 per cent of death certificates have shown a direct causality from coronavirus, while 88 per cent of patients who have died have at least one pre-morbidity - many had two or three,” he says."

https://www.telegraph.co.uk/global-health/science-and-disease/have-many-coronavirus-patients-died-italy/

Vicxas · 02-04-2020 02:08PM

Coveney stating the obvious:

https://www.thejournal.ie/simon-coveney-restrictions-5064753-Apr2020/

is_that_so · 02-04-2020 02:09PM

gozunda wrote: »

So do both and wear a mask when necessary. It's not rocket science.

I linked to a BBC piece earlier and one thing it mentions is increased moral vigilance and how more judgemental we can become in what we perceive as breaches. As regards these threads it is just another thing in a long, long list of things to blame. If the advice is to wear a mask I'll wear one. I will add that any masks I've seen are worn by a very small minority of people.

Ace2007 · 02-04-2020 02:09PM

MipMap wrote: »

Sorry but people are asking the wrong question of people who are opposed to wearing masks so maybe I will try:

What harm does someone else wearing a mask do to you ?

Thing is, I wear a mask and I cannot go to the supermarket without some Charlie feeling it is his job to tell me that they don't work! because that is how he has interpreted the HSE "advice".

You can wear a mask if you want, however i feel the issues are that people are wearing masks for the sake, and then doing other stupid things. In addition those who really need the masks now have to spend more money on them - A saw a chemist recently selling individual masks for €4 - crazy money.

Professor Moriarty · 02-04-2020 02:09PM

Tanner Cold Needlepoint wrote: »

Milton is the job for this type of thing. Especially their sprays and no danger from them like bleach.

I don't see leaving stuff for 72 hours as practical, we are getting a delivery every 5 to 7 days, we are very low on everything once it arrives and need a lot of the stuff straight away.

Milton is basically watered down bleach.

New Home · 02-04-2020 02:09PM

eviltimeban wrote: »

Dettol spray literally states that it kills "human coronaviruses". As well as H1N1, so that's prbably a good one to use.

I'm sure you're right about the spray bottles (the plastic ones) - I don't have one here to check, but although the Dettol All in One Disinfectant Spray (the one in the metal canisters) says it's antiviral, too, coronavirus is not on the list on the label. Bottom line, better read the labels before buying anything, just to make sure that it's fit for purpose.

gozunda · 02-04-2020 02:10PM

is_that_so wrote: »

From HSE, current advice

And again we have no idea who is sick and who is not. Not wearing a mask atm is no better than playing Russian roulette with your own and other peoples health.

Looks like that advisory which was taken on spec from the WHO is now under reevaluation by many countries.

Cork Boy 53 · 02-04-2020 02:10PM

Harry Palmr wrote: »

I was watching the UK government presser yesterday and the minister clearly stated - "we all rescued you in 2008 now you need to return the favour for small business esp". Have we heard a peep regarding our own fine institutions from the government?

I can`t find it now but as far as I remember a few weeks ago one cabinet minister (might have been Donohoe) made a comment that it was time for the banks to step up to the plate and help the Irish people in this crisis.

Obvious Desperate Breakfasts · 02-04-2020 02:11PM

Lord Fairlord wrote: »

People may not have seen this; from Prof Walter Ricciardi from a Telegraph article on Italian Covid deaths.

"“The way in which we code deaths in our country is very generous in the sense that all the people who die in hospitals with the coronavirus are deemed to be dying of the coronavirus.

“On re-evaluation by the National Institute of Health, only 12 per cent of death certificates have shown a direct causality from coronavirus, while 88 per cent of patients who have died have at least one pre-morbidity - many had two or three,” he says."

https://www.telegraph.co.uk/global-health/science-and-disease/have-many-coronavirus-patients-died-italy/

Right... but that co-morbidity could have been something that wouldn’t have killed the person for years yet or at all. Yes, lots of people dying had underlying conditions but that doesn’t mean that their death was imminent. COVID-19 is likely hastening some of the deaths.

BattleCorp · 02-04-2020 02:11PM

facehugger99 wrote: »

Restrictions will have to be lifted at the start of May at the absolute latest.

The current situation is completely unsustainable and ultimately pointless.

People are going to have to put on their big-boy and big-girl pants and learn how to live with the virus, because we're not going to have a society to save after a couple of months of this.

The Govt. need to start preparing the social-media hysteria merchants for a staggered relaxation of restrictions and a return to some form of normality.

It's not pointless. It's saving lives.

The economy can eventually recover. The dead won't recover.

facehugger99 · 02-04-2020 02:12PM

Ludwig Wittgenstein wrote: »

Why not borrow to tide us over?

I'm pretty sure we'll be borrowing for years. the only questions are who from, how much and for how long.

€200bn of debt and rising - out great-grandkids will be paying it off for us

Kermit.de.frog · 02-04-2020 02:12PM

There have been 50 deaths in Scotland in the last 24 hours. That's a large jump.

is_that_so · 02-04-2020 02:13PM

MipMap wrote: »

Sorry but people are asking the wrong question of people who are opposed to wearing masks so maybe I will try:

What harm does someone else wearing a mask do to you ?

Thing is, I wear a mask and I cannot go to the supermarket without some Charlie feeling it is his job to tell me that they don't work! because that is how he has interpreted the HSE "advice".

https://www.nytimes.com/2020/03/31/health/cdc-masks-coronavirus.html

China, Belgium, Czeck Republic, Hong Kong, Japan, Singapore and now, shortly the USA are all wrong.

BBC, right now, doing a story on how coughs now apparently spray virus droplets more than 2 meters and masks are being reconsidered.

I am not remotely opposed to masks but I do object to attempts to browbeat others to do so. IMO it's still a personal choice or their use corresponds to the advice that exists. If that advice changes we'll all be wearing masks.

peasant · 02-04-2020 02:13PM

BanditLuke wrote: »

All political parties have combined and are operating effectively as 'one party' in collaboration to tackle the crisis.

Not entirely correct.

Germany is a federal state. While the overall legislative power is in the hands of the state, quite a few sectors of administration and executive powers are in the hands of the seperate states or "Bundeslaender". Education and policing for example look quite different in Nodrhein-Westfalen and Bayern ..and so do the measures against the Corona-Virus. Some Laender closed the schools earlier than others. Bavaria was the first to go into "lockdown" ...and so on.

Eventually they all sort of agree to the same measures, but the above quote suggests some form of "unity government"..that simply isn't the case.

facehugger99 · 02-04-2020 02:13PM

BattleCorp wrote: »

It's not pointless. It's saving lives.

The economy can eventually recover. The dead won't recover.

And how many will die while it does?

Kermit.de.frog · 02-04-2020 02:14PM

facehugger99 wrote: »

And how many will die while it does?

What do you suggest?

shocksy · 02-04-2020 02:16PM

+569 deaths in the UK today.

is_that_so · 02-04-2020 02:16PM

gozunda wrote: »

Looks like that advisory which was taken on spec from the WHO is now under reevaluation by many countries.

And then it may change, if does we'll deal with it.

BattleCorp · 02-04-2020 02:18PM

facehugger99 wrote: »

And how many will die while it does?

Absolutely no idea to be honest. I assume you are talking about suicide?

This is how I look at it. I am at risk of dying if I catch COVID-19. As far as I'm aware, I'm not at risk of suicide. Therefore in my mind COVID-19 poses a far greater risk to me than suicide so I'd rather let the economy go to sh1te than die.

I'm not sure if others think the same way but I expect most of them would.

Seamai · 02-04-2020 02:18PM

New Home wrote: »

That series is superb.

Himself is watching The Mafia Only Kills in Summer, I gave up after the first episode. I think it's the Italian humour, as much as I love all things Italian their humour doesn't do it for me.
He says I should give it another try. Watched My Brilliant Friend last year and changed our holiday plans and went to Naples on the back of it, best holiday in years.

Tony EH · 02-04-2020 02:18PM

snotboogie wrote: »

The HSE gets 17.5 billion, per year, from the Irish government. Maybe we should look at the HSE and actually see where the spend is being allocated to rather than the same tired lazy political back and forth which has got us nowhere since the establishment of the unified health service.

The HSE was created by government. They know exactly where the spend is being allocated.

Still. The frontliners got a clap. They should be happy with that, I spose.

gozunda · 02-04-2020 02:18PM

FVP3 wrote: »

He's right. Of course masks work, which is why they are trying to keep them for frontline workers.

There are huge quantities of masks in the country not suited for medical purposes due to chain of custody issues etc.

The ones needed for hospital settings must be sourced from bone fide sources and be kept medically sterile.

Many people and businesses have access to masks which dont meet these criteria. These absolutely should be used by the general population to help reduce infection rates. Fairly simple masks can also be home made. It's not rocket science

Ludwig Wittgenstein · 02-04-2020 02:18PM

facehugger99 wrote: »

I'm pretty sure we'll be borrowing for years. the only questions are who from, how much and for how long.

€200bn of debt and rising - out great-grandkids will be paying it off for us

Would that not suggest borrowing is the answer?

02-04-2020 02:18PM

facehugger99 wrote: »

I'm pretty sure we'll be borrowing for years. the only questions are who from, how much and for how long.

€200bn of debt and rising - out great-grandkids will be paying it off for us

so long as our grandkids aren't stricken by a more deadly virus in the meantime.

The other thing is this...

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Ace2007 · 02-04-2020 02:18PM

gozunda wrote: »

And again we have no idea who is sick and who is not. Not wearing a mask atm is no better than playing Russian roulette with your own and other peoples health.

Looks like that advisory which was taken on spec from the WHO is now under reevaluation by many countries.

If this same advisory that you talk about - advised government in Ireland to adopt tougher restrictions, say complete lock down - no 2km radius for exercise - would you agree and adhere to this?

Class MayDresser · 02-04-2020 02:19PM

facehugger99 wrote: »

I'm pretty sure we'll be borrowing for years. the only questions are who from, how much and for how long.

€200bn of debt and rising - out great-grandkids will be paying it off for us

They'll leave some for their great grandkids don't worry. All the western world is borrowed to the gills, not just us.

ZX7R · 02-04-2020 02:20PM

facehugger99 wrote: »

I'm pretty sure we'll be borrowing for years. the only questions are who from, how much and for how long.

€200bn of debt and rising - out great-grandkids will be paying it off for us

At the moment at least we have not had to borrow any money we have been using our reserve fund.
We will have to borrow soon

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CoVid19 Part XII - 4,604 in ROI (137 deaths) 998 in NI (56 deaths)(04/04) Read OP