CoVid19 Part XII - 4,604 in ROI (137 deaths) 998 in NI (56 deaths)(04/04) Read OP

DOCARCH · 02-04-2020 06:09AM

Probably for another thread, but I wonder, when this is all done, is time to say goodbye to private healthcare in Ireland and leave everybody in a more steam lined public system?

XsApollo · 02-04-2020 06:19AM

DOCARCH wrote: »

Probably for another thread, but I wonder, when this is all done, is time to say goodbye to private healthcare in Ireland and leave everybody in a more steam lined public system?

Well we all know the healthcare system in this country needs to be improved.
For the money we spend and the population we have we should have one of the best in world.

How can the government change anything when the people that work in it won’t let them?
Anytime any improvement is attempted in any public service they seem to all go on strike

Quantum Erasure · 02-04-2020 06:20AM

DOCARCH wrote: »

Probably for another thread, but I wonder, when this is all done, is time to say goodbye to private healthcare in Ireland and leave everybody in a more steam lined public system?

there will always be people who can pay more, so i would presume there will always be private consultants / clinics that will take their money

Heckler · 02-04-2020 06:32AM

Quantum Erasure wrote: »

there will always be people who can pay more, so i would presume there will always be private consultants / clinics that will take their money

I earn slightly more than the minimum wage. It was drilled into me from an early age when my parents had private health insurance and paid for mine that it was something to keep up. So now I do that I'm an adult. Is it fair? No. Will I take advantage of any opportunity it gives me if I get ill ? Yeah I will. I've paid thousands over the years.

ParkRunner · 02-04-2020 06:33AM

XsApollo wrote: »

Well we all know the healthcare system in this country needs to be improved.
For the money we spend and the population we have we should have one of the best in world.

How can the government change anything when the people that work in it won’t let them?
Anytime any improvement is attempted in any public service they seem to all go on strike

In fairness, the public service is stepping up to the plate lately in the health sector, social welfare, mass redeployment elsewhere etc.

DOCARCH · 02-04-2020 06:46AM

Quantum Erasure wrote: »

there will always be people who can pay more, so i would presume there will always be private consultants / clinics that will take their money

At this moment in time, there are very few private consultants left! As all the (main) private hospitals have been requisitioned, private consultants either have to take a (temporary) HSE contract or go without work/go on the scratcher!

When this is over, some (with foresight) may see an opportunity for a complete overhaul of the health system in this country, including the HSE (along with the social welfare system).

DOCARCH · 02-04-2020 06:48AM

Back to Covid-19!

I don't see any update from China today (on worldometer)? Unusual as there are always figures for China first thing in the morning.

02-04-2020 06:53AM

XsApollo wrote: »

Well we all know the healthcare system in this country needs to be improved.
For the money we spend and the population we have we should have one of the best in world.

How can the government change anything when the people that work in it won’t let them?
Anytime any improvement is attempted in any public service they seem to all go on strike

Funny thing is we are not hearing stories of people with heart attacks, injuries and other problems waiting for treatment. By forcibly removing a lot of the red tape that exists in the health system in this country, and getting GP's to use clinical judgement before sending to A&E rather than send in for just in case tests, we may have inadvertently stumbled upon a better way to run the system once we are out the other end. I do know of a nurse working in oncology who say things have never ran as smoothly and efficiently as the last couple of weeks. They are in real fear of the peak, but there is something to be learned from this

voluntary · 02-04-2020 06:55AM

Heckler wrote: »

I earn slightly more than the minimum wage. It was drilled into me from an early age when my parents had private health insurance and paid for mine that it was something to keep up. So now I do that I'm an adult. Is it fair? No. Will I take advantage of any opportunity it gives me if I get ill ? Yeah I will. I've paid thousands over the years.

I got my health insurance since my first job as employee perk. It's nice to have it if somebody pays if for you, but would I pay for it myself? Rather not. Something serious happens you end up in a public hospital anyways.

Heckler · 02-04-2020 06:56AM

Heckler wrote: »

I earn slightly more than the minimum wage. It was drilled into me from an early age when my parents had private health insurance and paid for mine that it was something to keep up. So now I do that I'm an adult. Is it fair? No. Will I take advantage of any opportunity it gives me if I get ill ? Yeah I will. I've paid thousands over the years.

My elderly mother fell and broke her hip while visiting her daughter in the US. All told emergency services, hospital, surgery, aftercare, nurse on an aer lingus flight, ambulance to CUH from Shannon. 3 weeks in CUH recovery.

The bill from the US ? 250,000 dollars. The sale of her house may have barely covered it. VHI covered it. Thats what she got for 60 years of paying overpriced insurance premiums, her moneys worth.

DOCARCH · 02-04-2020 06:57AM

Deleted User wrote: »

I do know of a nurse working in oncology who say things have never ran as smoothly and efficiently as the last couple of weeks.

I was speaking with a (senior) consultant last week (in one of the major Dublin hospitals) and he told me he saw stuff happening in the previous 7 days that they have been try to do (...without getting anywhere...) for the last 20 years!

voluntary · 02-04-2020 07:05AM

Heckler wrote: »

My elderly mother fell and broke her hip while visiting her daughter in the US. All told emergency services, hospital, surgery, aftercare, nurse on an aer lingus flight, ambulance to CUH from Shannon. 3 weeks in CUH recovery.

The bill from the US ? 250,000 dollars. The sale of her house may have barely covered it. VHI covered it. Thats what she got for 60 years of paying overpriced insurance premiums, her moneys worth.

A €50 per year travel insurance would also cover that. When you travel outside EU health insurance is a must. Within the EU - not that much.

02-04-2020 07:06AM

Morning all. I hope you’re all doing ok, I really do

Can someone go through the ICU situation with me?

Is it safe to say that the number they release for ICU admissions is the total over the entire crises? Would I then take away from the total all that have died? I’m assuming that they all would have been in ICU whilst medics tried to save them.

XsApollo · 02-04-2020 07:09AM

ParkRunner wrote: »

In fairness, the public service is stepping up to the plate lately in the health sector, social welfare, mass redeployment elsewhere etc.

Yes I am well impressed with the response by them.
I’m more talking about normal circumstances.

shocksy · 02-04-2020 07:11AM

Strawberry Milkshake wrote: »

Morning all. I hope you’re all doing ok, I really do

Can someone go through the ICU situation with me?

Is it safe to say that the number they release for ICU admissions is the total over the entire crises? Would I then take away from the total all that have died? I’m assuming that they all would have been in ICU whilst medics tried to save them.

The numbers given for ICU, are the number of people that are currently in ICU.

This has been questioned a few times but following different reports than what the public briefing says every night, it is clear that the numbers given are the actual numbers that are currently in ICU's.

Heckler · 02-04-2020 07:12AM

voluntary wrote: »

A €50 per year travel insurance would also cover that. When you travel outside EU health insurance is a must. Within the EU - not that much.

It was the USA .

shocksy · 02-04-2020 07:13AM

Heckler wrote: »

Wrong about that.

Not wrong. A worldwide travel insurance policy with USA included would have covered the US expenses.

ZX7R · 02-04-2020 07:15AM

Article on rte news the sub covid-19 committee meeting today to review our restrictions.
City West is ready for step down patience.
15 patience have been moved there.
It has1100 beds.
Another thing in the article is a large number of patience suspected of suffering from the viruse were admitted to ICU but have tested negative for the virus.
I could be wrong but I believe Dr Henry said in one of the press releases that there is a flew outbreak happening as well.this could count for these people

02-04-2020 07:15AM

Thanks Shocksy.

I’ve limited my news and reading this thread and knew it was being queried the last time I took proper notice.

CIARAN_BOYLE · 02-04-2020 07:19AM

ZX7R wrote: »

Article on rte news the sub covid-19 committee meeting today to review our restrictions.
City West is ready for step down patience.
15 patience have been moved there.
It has1100 beds.
Another thing in the article is a large number of patience suspected of suffering from the viruse were admitted to ICU but have tested negative for the virus.
I could be wrong but I believe Dr Henry said in one of the press releases that there is a flew outbreak happening as well.this could count for these people

A few weeks ago everyone in my office was sick.

Some had flu, some had stomach bugs, some had head colds. 2 people were hospitalised and everyone took at least one sick day.

Ireland was on a small number of covid cases and everyone thought 'what if I have covid'. None could get a test at that stage. We presume that none of us had it though we could have all had it.

BanditLuke · 02-04-2020 07:22AM

Duke of Url wrote: »

Dozens of spring breakers from Texas boarded a plane for fun and came home with coronavirus.

About 70 people in their 20s chartered a plane from Austin, Texas, to Mexico for spring break two weeks ago. They went against the advice of White House officials who asked that people avoid gathering in groups of more than 10 and nonessential air travel.

Now 44 of those people have tested positive for coronavirus -- all of them University of Texas at Austin students, a university spokesman told CNN on Wednesday.

Who cares, fcuk them. Like the Cheltenham crowd they should be last on any list for treatment or ventilators etc...

Heckler · 02-04-2020 07:24AM

shocksy wrote: »

Not wrong. A worldwide travel insurance policy with USA included would have covered the US expenses.

Maybe because she is elderly her insurance is different. I don't think any travel insurance will cover you for US medical care beyond a certain cost. By all means point me to the source of your info. Not being smart, I pay VHI and would love to know.

munsterlegend · 02-04-2020 07:28AM

ZX7R wrote: »

Article on rte news the sub covid-19 committee meeting today to review our restrictions.
City West is ready for step down patience.
15 patience have been moved there.
It has1100 beds.
Another thing in the article is a large number of patience suspected of suffering from the viruse were admitted to ICU but have tested negative for the virus.
I could be wrong but I believe Dr Henry said in one of the press releases that there is a flew outbreak happening as well.this could count for these people

Patients patients!!

02-04-2020 07:28AM

BanditLuke wrote: »

Who cares, fcuk them. Like the Cheltenham crowd they should be last on any list for treatment or ventilators etc...

Don't worry, BanditLuke will be at the door of hospitals deeming who is worthy of treatment and who are the untouchables

shocksy · 02-04-2020 07:30AM

Heckler wrote: »

Maybe because she is elderly her insurance is different. I don't think any travel insurance will cover you for US medical care beyond a certain cost. By all means point me to the source of your info. Not being smart, I pay VHI and would love to know.

I'm on my phone so I've attached screenshots from a policy I just checked on InsureAndGo. The policy shown is for worldwide including the USA or Canada.

the.red.baron · 02-04-2020 07:31AM

DOCARCH wrote: »

I was speaking with a (senior) consultant last week (in one of the major Dublin hospitals) and he told me he saw stuff happening in the previous 7 days that they have been try to do (...without getting anywhere...) for the last 20 years!

thats pretty vague?

more ICU beads by any chance? But sure thats a balancing act

the main problem with the hospitals is step down beds and people turning up there that don't have an alternative, sometimes simply theres nowhere else out of hours to go

The dream of healthcare in the community is still a distant one and thats the solution

They wont let you leave the place, personal experience, thy kept me there 2 extra days for no reason, thats a bed wasted for those days

ZX7R · 02-04-2020 07:31AM

munsterlegend wrote: »

Patients patients!!

It's the morning I'd no sleep
My son special needs didn't sleep so I stayed up with him let the wife sleep.
So excuse my spelling , it's the least of my worries

893bet · 02-04-2020 07:32AM

DOCARCH wrote: »

Back to Covid-19!

I don't see any update from China today (on worldometer)? Unusual as there are always figures for China first thing in the morning.

Their random low number generator must be broken.

weldoninhio · 02-04-2020 07:34AM

bilston wrote: »

Yeah but a lot of people thought both world wars would be over by Christmas.

The effects of Covid 19 could well be felt for years, even after we've returned to "normality"

Thank fook it's not a WW. Imagine the effects on Generation Pansy, who can't sit in and watch Netflix for a week without screeching about the effects on their "mental health". What would they be like if food was rationed, there was no electricity and bombs were falling.

Heckler · 02-04-2020 07:35AM

shocksy wrote: »

I'm on my phone so I've attached screenshots from a policy I just checked on InsureAndGo. The policy shown is for worldwide including the USA or Canada.

Thanks Shocksy. I'll ask her about it in the morning. Appreciate the info. May have things confused myself.

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CoVid19 Part XII - 4,604 in ROI (137 deaths) 998 in NI (56 deaths)(04/04) Read OP