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CoVid19 Part XII - 4,604 in ROI (137 deaths) 998 in NI (56 deaths)(04/04) **Read OP**

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  • #5522
    Rvsmmnps
    Closed Accounts Posts: 151 ✭✭Rvsmmnps


    dougm1970 wrote: »
    seen shaun attwood interview a head today (joel skousen) who claims these tests for coronavirus worldwide are not covid-19 only tests...but for all coronaviruses...so if you had another coronavirus and not covid-19 you get a positive test...and a lot of these positives could just be common colds.

    I was ridiculed for pointing this out before


  • #5523
    [Deleted User]
    Posts: 0 ✭ [Deleted User]


    Never trust a man who speaks out of the side of his mouth like this shifty ****er..

    https://www.glasgowtimes.co.uk/news/viralnews/18325427.fourth-death-confirmed-ireland-places-huge-order-covid-19-test-equipment/

    A friend of mine was in croker yesterday for a test and was out in minutes, it was empty. same as the docks and other EMERGENCY test centers. This is also the same in the UK, lots lying idle. This means we have the means by which to test but no bloody kits.. now Leo comes on the news and passes it off as a learning process!!! it's a shambles..meanwhile other countries have returned faulty masks tot he place of origin CHINA!! and here we are, low on kits and with an impending integrity of same issue!!


  • #5524
    freshpopcorn
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 31,764 ✭✭✭✭freshpopcorn


    There's a guy near me who's in his seventies and he's protesting because the church is closed!
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  • #5525
    [Deleted User]
    Posts: 5,917 ✭✭✭ [Deleted User]


    splinter65 wrote: »
    In the 1950s TB killed 10,000 per year in Dublin alone nearly 1/2 of them children. Nobody even mentions it now. There was nothing could be done about it then until a vaccine was found, there’s nothing can be done about this either, until a vaccine is found.

    While a vaccine of course resolved the issue of TB the mother and child scheme would have helped and not just with TB, however we know how that got the kibosh.

    Also it's still in living memory for a lot of people, especially those that lost people to it, and those that lived through that period.


  • #5526
    kyote00
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 1,665 ✭✭✭kyote00


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    Gods Gift wrote: »
    That general at trump press conference is some talker.


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  • #5527
    Obvious Desperate Breakfasts
    Closed Accounts Posts: 8,474 ✭✭✭Obvious Desperate Breakfasts


    ricero wrote: »
    The whole testing in this country seems to be a complete shambles. Heating stories of people waiting over 8 days for their results back.

    Seems like the chickens are coming home to roost about how many predicted the HSE wouldnt be able to cope with such a crisis. Thank god for the heros in the hospitals and other front line staffers but i fear the next fortnight is gonna be grime reading.

    There are shortages of testing materials, even down to plastic consumables. The reason for that is that there is such huge demand worldwide right now. This isn’t just a HSE problem, it’s a worldwide problem. That stuff takes time to produce and distribute. You can’t just magic it all up.

    People looking to have a go at the HSE without having any notion of the logistics are such sad sacks.


  • #5528
    fritzelly
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 18,148 ✭✭✭✭fritzelly


    dougm1970 wrote: »
    seen shaun attwood interview a head today (joel skousen) who claims these tests for coronavirus worldwide are not covid-19 only tests...but for all coronaviruses...so if you had another coronavirus and not covid-19 you get a positive test...and a lot of these positives could just be common colds.

    WOW - such experts in this field telling the truth that we are testing for the common cold

    :rolleyes:


  • #5529
    owlbethere
    Closed Accounts Posts: 2,329 ✭✭✭owlbethere


    woohoo!!! wrote: »
    Very interesting article but of course there's too little known about it as yet.
    https://twitter.com/EricTopol/status/1245454273401335808?s=19

    This makes sense. Like for example, in hiv, the viral load is undetectable while taking the medication and the transmission is less with medication. Without medication, the viral load continues and infection transmission is easier.


    I wanted to go to London for that vaccine so that I could get the Covid-19 in a controlled manner where I would be monitored. Would there be any Irish labs/scientists working on a vaccine needing people for testing? It's something I would like to do.


  • #5530
    cameramonkey
    Closed Accounts Posts: 3,220 ✭✭✭cameramonkey


    Obvious Desperate Breakfasts wrote: »
    Ah, yeah, it’s pretty obvious from Martina’s posts that she works for the HSE. I don’t think she’s ever hidden that. Based on the detail in her posts, I find her posts trustworthy.
    If you are a part of an organization and adhere rigidly to their spin then it is difficult to be taken seriously. The HSE have record of spin and evasion and they seem to be bringing their A game to this outbreak unfortunately.


  • #5531
    Martina1991
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 2,548 ✭✭✭Martina1991


    cameramonkey wrote: »

    Time and time again you post incorrect numbers that you seem to make up. They are found nowhere on HSE press releases.
    You are supposed to be involved science , you should know that you should be factual and have source material. You have been very insulting when faced with facts and now you are accusing me of deleting posts .
    Do you work for the HSE or something?

    I'm searching retrospectively but here are where some sites reported some testing numbers.
    "There were around 2,000 tests carried out every day last week with between 12 - 13k tests carried out since Monday, March 16." https://www.thesun.ie/news/5234136/coronavirus-in-ireland-testing-totals-covid/
    "The HSE disclosed that 15,500 people are waiting to be tested for Covid-19 since the Government changed the criteria for testing to people displaying two symptoms of the infection. There are 5,000 tests being carried out every day.
    More than 33,000 people have been tested since March 16th." https://www.irishtimes.com/news/ireland/irish-news/coronavirus-ten-more-deaths-confirmed-in-republic-1.4215029



    A lot of the uncertainty of numbers comes from the media saying "X amount of tests were carried out" but don't clarify if those numbers relate to swabs taken or results completed.

    We're splitting hairs here talking about differences between numbers, and I have said these numbers aren't what truly matters.
    The ICU capacity and number of deaths are.

    I'm certainly tired of talking about it at this stage. We will ramp up testing when we are able to.
    You and I bickering here isn't going to change the numbers or stop the pandemic.


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  • #5532
    sydthebeat
    Subscribers Posts: 43,053 ✭✭✭✭sydthebeat


    dougm1970 wrote: »
    seen shaun attwood interview a head today (joel skousen) who claims these tests for coronavirus worldwide are not covid-19 only tests...but for all coronaviruses...so if you had another coronavirus and not covid-19 you get a positive test...and a lot of these positives could just be common colds.

    Why would we have tests for something we have know for years to be incurable??


  • #5533
    tobefrank321
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 4,527 ✭✭✭tobefrank321


    At a certain stage we may need to get imaginative in the west - not the strong point of western governments unfortunately.

    We may need to look at controlled herd immunity as oppposed to the uncontrolled attempt in the UK.

    So we give healthy citizens with no underlying conditions a low exposure to covid 19. There seems to be some evidence that a high viral load is dangerous to healthy individuals but a low load may be safer.

    We give citizens the choice of low dose exposure. They would have to isolate of course for 2-3 weeks possibly in one of those large centres like the city west hotel. Test them after 10 days to confirm they are positive, then again every 10 days until they are negative.

    This would be a big undertaking but at least there'd be some control of the spread.

    In the absence of a vaccine this might be the only way to gradually get us out of a lockdown. And it might be the best option for healthcare staff.


  • #5534
    fritzelly
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 18,148 ✭✭✭✭fritzelly


    sydthebeat wrote: »
    Why would we have tests for something we have know for years to be incurable??

    May actually have a vaccine for the common cold soon - not that anyone would bother paying to get it I would imagine


  • #5535
    [Deleted User]
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    cameramonkey wrote: »
    If you are a part of an organization and adhere rigidly to their spin then it is difficult to be taken seriously. The HSE have record of spin and evasion and they seem to be bringing their A game to this outbreak.

    EXACTLY, you're talking about a company that bought GERMAN swineflu vacine with knowledge that it contained an ingredient linked to narcolepsy. There was another one on the market in Canada with no such links as it did not contain the ingredient. The HSE received fair warning from Scandinavian studies and doctors who told them NOT to use it!! Guess what..they bought it, used it..and there's a slew of girls waiting to sue the state after one girl was paid a substantial sum plus her legal bill by simon harris!! they made her sign and NDA too! they SPIN with the best of them, any women with cervical issues will attest to that.. the HSE has all the integrity of Anglo irish bank//


  • #5536
    dougm1970
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    trump telling the assembled press that hes no.1 on facebook....he seems happy about it.


  • #5537
    Downlinz
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 1,673 ✭✭✭Downlinz


    freshpopcorn wrote: »
    There's a guy near me who's in his seventies and he's protesting because the church is closed!
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    Reminiscent of the holy shrines in Iran which they'd all communally lick and spread the virus like wildfire.
    I'm glad churches here had the sense to shut early because you could see something similar happening with hand shaking and communion wafer.


  • #5538
    Professor Moriarty
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 14,394 ✭✭✭✭Professor Moriarty


    tobefrank321 wrote: »
    At a certain stage we may need to get imaginative in the west - not the strong point of western governments unfortunately.

    We may need to look at controlled herd immunity as oppposed to the uncontrolled attempt in the UK.

    So we give healthy citizens with no underlying conditions a low exposure to covid 19. There seems to be some evidence that a high viral load is dangerous to healthy individuals but a low load may be safer.

    We give citizens the choice of low dose exposure. They would have to isolate of course for 2-3 weeks possibly in one of those large centres like the city west hotel. Test them after 10 days to confirm they are positive, then again every 10 days until they are negative.

    This would be a big undertaking but at least there'd be some control of the spread.

    In the absence of a vaccine this might be the only way to gradually get us out of a lockdown.

    I think what is happening is the managed creation of herd immunity. Or keeping the lid on as much as possible until vaccines or meds come along. Not too sure about deliberately infecting people no matter what age.


  • #5539
    elperello
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 17,042 ✭✭✭✭elperello


    freshpopcorn wrote: »
    There's a guy near me who's in his seventies and he's protesting because the church is closed!

    In fairness a lot of the older generation find it hard to see churches closed.

    He isn't really doing any harm with his protest and probably needs to be shown a bit of sensitivity.


  • #5540
    tobefrank321
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 4,527 ✭✭✭tobefrank321


    Professor Moriarty wrote: »
    I think what is happening is the managed creation of herd immunity. Or keeping the lid on as much as possible until vaccines or meds come along. Not too sure about deliberately infecting people no matter what age.

    I think they'd need volunteers for it and conduct studies particularly around the issue of low load infection.

    I am fairly sure a large number would volunteer. You could even pay them to take part.

    Uncontrolled spread doesn't work and total lockdown is a bit of a sledgehammer to drive a nail approach with no exit strategy.


  • #5541
    owlbethere
    Closed Accounts Posts: 2,329 ✭✭✭owlbethere


    tobefrank321 wrote: »
    At a certain stage we may need to get imaginative in the west - not the strong point of western governments unfortunately.

    We may need to look at controlled herd immunity as oppposed to the uncontrolled attempt in the UK.

    So we give healthy citizens with no underlying conditions a low exposure to covid 19. There seems to be some evidence that a high viral load is dangerous to healthy individuals but a low load may be safer.

    We give citizens the choice of low dose exposure. They would have to isolate of course for 2-3 weeks possibly in one of those large centres like the city west hotel. Test them after 10 days to confirm they are positive, then again every 10 days until they are negative.

    This would be a big undertaking but at least there'd be some control of the spread.

    In the absence of a vaccine this might be the only way to gradually get us out of a lockdown. And it might be the best option for healthcare staff.

    I think I would be first in line to do it this way. First all them science and medical professionals will have to look at it first and make sure it is safe to do so and I would do it.


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  • #5542
    woohoo!!!
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 803 ✭✭✭woohoo!!!


    tobefrank321 wrote: »
    At a certain stage we may need to get imaginative in the west - not the strong point of western governments unfortunately.

    We may need to look at controlled herd immunity as oppposed to the uncontrolled attempt in the UK.

    So we give healthy citizens with no underlying conditions a low exposure to covid 19. There seems to be some evidence that a high viral load is dangerous to healthy individuals but a low load may be safer.

    We give citizens the choice of low dose exposure. They would have to isolate of course for 2-3 weeks possibly in one of those large centres like the city west hotel. Test them after 10 days to confirm they are positive, then again every 10 days until they are negative.

    This would be a big undertaking but at least there'd be some control of the spread.

    In the absence of a vaccine this might be the only way to gradually get us out of a lockdown. And it might be the best option for healthcare staff.
    Such an approach would be the only way to effectively control a herd immunity approach. A hell of a lot more research would need to be done, along with heavy health screening for underlying conditions.


  • #5543
    Snow Garden
    Banned (with Prison Access) Posts: 3,126 ✭✭✭Snow Garden


    freshpopcorn wrote: »
    There's a guy near me who's in his seventies and he's protesting because the church is closed!

    April fools surely? Even the 'devout' are not that thick


  • #5544
    Downlinz
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 1,673 ✭✭✭Downlinz


    tobefrank321 wrote: »
    At a certain stage we may need to get imaginative in the west - not the strong point of western governments unfortunately.

    We may need to look at controlled herd immunity as oppposed to the uncontrolled attempt in the UK.

    So we give healthy citizens with no underlying conditions a low exposure to covid 19. There seems to be some evidence that a high viral load is dangerous to healthy individuals but a low load may be safer.

    We give citizens the choice of low dose exposure. They would have to isolate of course for 2-3 weeks possibly in one of those large centres like the city west hotel. Test them after 10 days to confirm they are positive, then again every 10 days until they are negative.

    This would be a big undertaking but at least there'd be some control of the spread.

    In the absence of a vaccine this might be the only way to gradually get us out of a lockdown. And it might be the best option for healthcare staff.

    It would be insanity considering the risk of death and suggestion survivors can suffer from permanent lung damage which possibly reduces lifespan.

    The purpose of a lockdown is to stop community spread and bring it back down to small, controlled clusters from traceable sources. At which point we can mostly go back to regular life with some precautions.

    I don't know what the hard on some people have with this idea that we can't stop the virus and must all get ourselves infected at some point. That's not happening in any of the Asian countries at all. They locked down, contained it and moved on with their lives.


  • #5545
    Professor Moriarty
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 14,394 ✭✭✭✭Professor Moriarty


    tobefrank321 wrote: »
    I think they'd need volunteers for it and conduct studies particularly around the issue of low load infection.

    I am fairly sure a large number would volunteer. You could even pay them to take part.

    Uncontrolled spread doesn't work and total lockdown is a bit of a sledgehammer to drive a nail approach with no exit strategy.

    The chance of death is always there. I wouldn't want any family member to be given a dose of Covid-19. Not for any money.


  • #5546
    FishOnABike
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 4,872 ✭✭✭FishOnABike


    Ficheall wrote: »
    Per capita, at 8 days after their first death (where Ireland is now), Spain, Belgium, San Marino and Andorra were doing worse than we are. Every other country was doing better.


    For total deaths, at 5 days after the 10th death (where Ireland is now), China, Turkey and the UK were doing worse than we are. Every other country was doing better.




    Okay, I give up. Go back to your cherry-picking. I'm out.

    Is it valid to compare on a per capita basis?

    In the early days the rate of infection transmission should be independent of the population size. If each person, on average, infects three others theb, apart from very small isolated populations, it should, in the absence of measures to reduce transmission, be able to spread at a consistent rate independent of population size until a significant proportion of the population has been infected.

    In the early days it shouldn't matter whether a country has five million or fifty million people the spread, hospital and ICU admission and mortality should be compared in absolute number terms, not relative to the countries total populations.


  • #5547
    Seamai
    Closed Accounts Posts: 2,250 ✭✭✭Seamai


    irishlad. wrote: »
    Updated Spanish figures:

    New cases: 8,195

    New deaths: 923

    All the more frightening when you consider that their population is 25% less than Italy, at this rate they will probably surpass Italy by Friday or Saturday.


  • #5548
    JP Liz V1
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 91,203 ✭✭✭✭JP Liz V1


    On Primetime last night was the disease centre specialist implying that healthcare workers who tested positive was from social gatherings and travel transmission not from working directly with Covid19 patients or contact with other work colleagues too while socialising, many healthcare workers share accommodations
    https://forumofgames.com/




  • #5549
    pjohnson
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 25,089 ✭✭✭✭pjohnson


    Professor Moriarty wrote: »
    The chance of death is always there. I wouldn't want any family member to be given a dose of Covid-19. Not for any money.

    But think of how much more important money is than life! Thats the mindset of (thankfully) very few.


  • #5550
    SuperRabbit
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 698 ✭✭✭SuperRabbit


    https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=s-UgauaPkLk doctor Aaron answering questions about the virus


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  • #5551
    fatknacker
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 2,342 ✭✭✭fatknacker


    Can someone please link or tell me if there’s a thread or forum for healthcare workers? Been looking around the site but can’t find anything.


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