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CoVid19 Part XII - 4,604 in ROI (137 deaths) 998 in NI (56 deaths)(04/04) **Read OP**

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  • #5072
    JP Liz V1
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 91,203 ✭✭✭✭JP Liz V1


    Wimbledon 2021 wrote: »
    Do you have trouble with reading comprehension?

    126 is the total number who have been admitted to ICU. It's crystal clear. If Joe Bloggs is admitted on March 13th and released on March 21st he has been admitted to the ICU and remains a part of that number. So many idiots in this world, Jesus Christ.

    Is 126 total for ROI or all Island of Ireland including NI?
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  • #5073
    tom1ie
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 12,097 ✭✭✭✭tom1ie


    Wimbledon 2021 wrote: »
    Do you have trouble with reading comprehension?

    126 is the total number who have been admitted to ICU. It's crystal clear. If Joe Bloggs is admitted on March 13th and released on March 21st he has been admitted to the ICU and remains a part of that number. So many idiots in this world, Jesus Christ.

    It’s ridiculous giving cumulative figures as opposed to real time figures though


  • #5074
    Doyler99
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 96 ✭✭Doyler99


    smelly sock wrote: »
    I disagree there.

    If social distancing measure and this lockdown has positive impacts on transmission and deaths then the only thing to do is relax the measures. Its logical.

    If people see the numbers in decline but still have a draconian type lock down imposed on them they will start to ignore it. Human nature.

    Then infection goes back up again which lead to another lockdown.....?


  • #5075
    Inquitus
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 13,776 ✭✭✭✭Inquitus


    tom1ie wrote: »
    It’s ridiculous giving cumulative figures as opposed to real time figures though

    Agreed, cumulative figures are meaningless.


  • #5076
    Xertz
    Closed Accounts Posts: 1,069 ✭✭✭Xertz


    tom1ie wrote: »
    It’s ridiculous giving cumulative figures as opposed to real time figures though

    As long as they have access to realtime figures internally and are able to plan allocations, it's not really relevant. It's just a published figure.

    What would make some sense would be to create an online dashboard and we could all then see what's going on and it would save a lot of speculation.


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  • #5077
    easypazz
    Closed Accounts Posts: 2,346 ✭✭✭easypazz


    Humberto Salazar wrote: »
    I was initially hopeful of an early May relaxation. But to be certain I'd say yes at least two months possibly three. Who knows where we will be globally and nationally by then?

    Place the over 66's and anybody with a relevant underlying condition under house arrest would allow the rest of the population start getting back on track sooner.

    Unless there is a big death toll every night people will be asking what the fcuk?

    If it stays below 10 deaths a day for a week or 2 then its time to relax things, with those in the firing line left under house arrest.


  • #5078
    Nibs05
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 700 ✭✭✭Nibs05


    Hopefully it might burn out like SARS or is this too much for it to burn out


  • #5079
    thelad95
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 7,812 ✭✭✭thelad95


    smelly sock wrote: »
    212 is a good drop to be honest. 14 dead is a worry again though.

    Hopefully we can steadily decline for next 9 days and lockdown will be relaxed.

    I don't know what planet you are on, the lockdown is not going to be relaxed anytime soon.


  • #5080
    easypazz
    Closed Accounts Posts: 2,346 ✭✭✭easypazz


    Doyler99 wrote: »
    Then infection goes back up again which lead to another lockdown.....?

    Not if the target group are under house arrest.


  • #5081
    Loafing Oaf
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 17,869 ✭✭✭✭Loafing Oaf


    easypazz wrote: »
    Place the over 66's and anybody with a relevant underlying condition under house arrest

    Literally?


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  • #5082
    solidasarock
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 363 ✭✭solidasarock


    So have been gone from idiots begging for a lockdown to idiots wanting the lockdown to end at the first sign we have things somewhat under control?


  • #5083
    josip
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 14,785 ✭✭✭✭josip


    tom1ie wrote: »
    But can’t they tell every hospital in the country that icu beds taken up must be emailed to those in charge by 3pm everyday so that the real time figures can be released for 6pm?
    That’s not too hard surely?


    Ah, but you've got to allow for the time it takes those emails to be printed out and make their way through all the layers of HSE bureaucracy.


  • #5084
    [Deleted User]
    Posts: 0 ✭ [Deleted User]


    Doyler99 wrote: »
    Then infection goes back up again which lead to another lockdown.....?

    yes, a release of restrictions followed by another lockdown if the data suggests that the ICU will become under pressure again. Remember, this lockdown is not to stop the virus.....it is to manage ICU beds. It will be a data driven relaxation / resumption of restrictions, perhaps for the rest of the year.

    The current lockdown will not just be maintained for months....the government will have to start to consider the impact on economic activity


  • #5085
    kwestfan08
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 1,523 ✭✭✭kwestfan08


    Doyler99 wrote: »
    Then infection goes back up again which lead to another lockdown.....?

    But isnt that the course we are on for the next 2 years or so? This is lockdown 1.0, once we get cases under control restrictions are relaxed. When cases inevitably rise again it will be lockdown 2.0 until such time as cases are back under a certain level. Rinse and repeat until the vaccine.


  • #5086
    pjohnson
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 25,088 ✭✭✭✭pjohnson


    Oh so today its back to "officially" being cumulative after yesterday "officially" being the current.


    They want us to focus on a figure they cant fcuking define themselves.


  • #5087
    tuxy
    Closed Accounts Posts: 14,983 ✭✭✭✭tuxy


    easypazz wrote: »
    Place the over 66's and anybody with a relevant underlying condition under house arrest would allow the rest of the population start getting back on track sooner.

    Remember when there was the video of the Chinese welding doors and people incorrectly figured they were welding people in. They were actually blocking main entrance and forcing people to use side ones to reduce contact.

    Do you think we should weld all doors and actually shut people in?


  • #5088
    easypazz
    Closed Accounts Posts: 2,346 ✭✭✭easypazz


    thelad95 wrote: »
    I don't know what planet you are on, the lockdown is not going to be relaxed anytime soon.

    Why not? Once the vulnerable groups are locked away then there will be a lot less pressure on hospital ICU beds etc.


  • #5089
    Xertz
    Closed Accounts Posts: 1,069 ✭✭✭Xertz


    easypazz wrote: »
    Place the over 66's and anybody with a relevant underlying condition under house arrest would allow the rest of the population start getting back on track sooner.

    Unless there is a big death toll every night people will be asking what the fcuk?

    If it stays below 10 deaths a day for a week or 2 then its time to relax things, with those in the firing line left under house arrest.

    Honestly, could we stop using inflammatory language like "house arrest".

    It's a protective quarantine / isolation measure to try and stop the spread of a virus and relies a lot on us being voluntarily cooperative with trying to get this thing stopped. It's certainly not 'house arrest'.


  • #5090
    gmisk
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 34,517 ✭✭✭✭gmisk


    easypazz wrote: »
    Not if the target group are under house arrest.
    How many people do you think that is? Over 66 in Ireland.
    Putting them under house arrest....how would that work?


  • #5091
    rusty the athlete
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 130 ✭✭rusty the athlete


    easypazz wrote: »
    Place the over 66's and anybody with a relevant underlying condition under house arrest .


    And anyone like you with such ridiculous ideas in a lunatic asylum.


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  • #5092
    [Deleted User]
    Posts: 5,917 ✭✭✭ [Deleted User]


    mloc123 wrote: »
    Interestingly my German work colleague was waiting a week to be tested and a few days after that for results.

    They estimate that they are capable of doing this number

    https://abcnews.go.com/amp/Health/wireStory/mass-testing-empty-icus-germany-scores-early-virus-69911783
    virologist Dr. Christian Drosten, whose team developed the first test for the new virus at Berlin's Charité hospital — established over 300 years ago to treat plague victims.

    He estimated that Germany is now capable of conducting up to 500,000 tests a week


  • #5093
    wakka12
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 9,786 ✭✭✭wakka12


    easypazz wrote: »
    Place the over 66's and anybody with a relevant underlying condition under house arrest would allow the rest of the population start getting back on track sooner.

    Unless there is a big death toll every night people will be asking what the fcuk?

    If it stays below 10 deaths a day for a week or 2 then its time to relax things, with those in the firing line left under house arrest.

    People over 65 and with health conditions is about 1/5 - 1/4 of the entire population


  • #5094
    Just Saying
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 306 ✭✭Just Saying


    With all the uncertainty about numbers of tests and the delays in getting test results I think the daily death totals and the rate of upward trend in same assume greater importance.

    The daily death rate and the 3 and 5 day moving averages of same are not showing the rapid increases at this point in the graph as .might have been expected.

    This gives me a lot of hope that we are on the right track.While we have testing issues we are still per head of population a lot better than our larger European neighbours.

    The daily death rate here is trending towards a substantial flattening of the curve.While there is normally a time lag between new cases and deaths it would indicate that closing of pubs etc ,large scale and earlier adherence to social distancing compared to other countries and also the use of contact tracing have combined to prevent the rapid increase in deaths witnessed in other countries.


  • #5095
    pjohnson
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 25,088 ✭✭✭✭pjohnson


    Wimbledon 2021 wrote: »
    You don't have a clue yourself what your talking about. The figures released each day are the current cumulative figures.

    I do but you yourself dont seem to understand what people are saying. But its your first day so I'll be kind.


  • #5096
    Widdensushi
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 5,547 ✭✭✭Widdensushi


    thelad95 wrote: »
    I don't know what planet you are on, the lockdown is not going to be relaxed anytime soon.

    it is of course, it's about keeping the infected cases at a level that the hospitals can cope with while building immunity with as many as possible. There is no chance of closing our doors and this not being out there when we open them, it's about management.


  • #5097
    easypazz
    Closed Accounts Posts: 2,346 ✭✭✭easypazz


    gmisk wrote: »
    How many people do you think that is? Over 66 in Ireland.
    Putting them under house arrest....how would that work?

    Tell them to stay indoors and put supports in place.

    Then its their choice, so in 6 weeks time if they get infected and die then they have nobody to blame but themselves.

    As things stand we are all effectively under house arrest.


  • #5098
    bennyl10
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 5,591 ✭✭✭bennyl10


    Blanco100 wrote: »
    are you sure? I think it means there are currently 126 people in ICU.

    as per worldometer its 103 people critical.

    Yes. I am sure
    Worldometer isn’t always accurate.

    There are more that 5 recovered in Ireland and there are not 126 people currently in ICU


  • #5099
    PTH2009
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 40,375 ✭✭✭✭PTH2009


    your man on the news is dressed a bit scruffy for a professor

    Crazy times were living in overall and this time last year who would of thought it would ever come to this


  • #5100
    easypazz
    Closed Accounts Posts: 2,346 ✭✭✭easypazz


    wakka12 wrote: »
    People over 65 and with health conditions is about 1/5 - 1/4 of the entire population

    yes and it is better to have 1/4 of the population under lockdown while the 3/4 provide for them.


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  • #5101
    pc7
    Moderators, Entertainment Moderators, Society & Culture Moderators Posts: 14,279 Mod ✭✭✭✭pc7


    Just Saying wrote: »
    With all the uncertainty about numbers of tests and the delays in getting test results I think the daily death totals and the rate of upward trend in same assume greater importance.

    The daily death rate and the 3 and 5 day moving averages of same are not showing the rapid increases at this point in the graph as .might have been expected.

    This gives me a lot of hope that we are on the right track.While we have testing issues we are still per head of population a lot better than our larger European neighbours.

    The daily death rate here is trending towards a substantial flattening of the curve.While there is normally a time lag between new cases and deaths it would indicate that closing of pubs etc ,large scale and earlier adherence to social distancing compared to other countries and also the use of contact tracing have combined to prevent the rapid increase in deaths witnessed in other countries.

    That’s great to know, was actually coming on to ask did anyone know how the death figures were mapping.


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