CoVid19 Part XII - 4,604 in ROI (137 deaths) 998 in NI (56 deaths)(04/04) Read OP

thelad95 · 01-04-2020 05:26PM

smelly sock wrote: »

212 is a good drop to be honest. 14 dead is a worry again though.

Hopefully we can steadily decline for next 9 days and lockdown will be relaxed.

I don't know what planet you are on, the lockdown is not going to be relaxed anytime soon.

easypazz · 01-04-2020 05:26PM

Doyler99 wrote: »

Then infection goes back up again which lead to another lockdown.....?

Not if the target group are under house arrest.

Loafing Oaf · 01-04-2020 05:26PM

easypazz wrote: »

Place the over 66's and anybody with a relevant underlying condition under house arrest

Literally?

solidasarock · 01-04-2020 05:27PM

So have been gone from idiots begging for a lockdown to idiots wanting the lockdown to end at the first sign we have things somewhat under control?

josip · 01-04-2020 05:28PM

tom1ie wrote: »

But can’t they tell every hospital in the country that icu beds taken up must be emailed to those in charge by 3pm everyday so that the real time figures can be released for 6pm?
That’s not too hard surely?

Ah, but you've got to allow for the time it takes those emails to be printed out and make their way through all the layers of HSE bureaucracy.

01-04-2020 05:28PM

Doyler99 wrote: »

Then infection goes back up again which lead to another lockdown.....?

yes, a release of restrictions followed by another lockdown if the data suggests that the ICU will become under pressure again. Remember, this lockdown is not to stop the virus.....it is to manage ICU beds. It will be a data driven relaxation / resumption of restrictions, perhaps for the rest of the year.

The current lockdown will not just be maintained for months....the government will have to start to consider the impact on economic activity

kwestfan08 · 01-04-2020 05:28PM

Doyler99 wrote: »

Then infection goes back up again which lead to another lockdown.....?

But isnt that the course we are on for the next 2 years or so? This is lockdown 1.0, once we get cases under control restrictions are relaxed. When cases inevitably rise again it will be lockdown 2.0 until such time as cases are back under a certain level. Rinse and repeat until the vaccine.

pjohnson · 01-04-2020 05:28PM

Oh so today its back to "officially" being cumulative after yesterday "officially" being the current.

They want us to focus on a figure they cant fcuking define themselves.

tuxy · 01-04-2020 05:29PM

easypazz wrote: »

Place the over 66's and anybody with a relevant underlying condition under house arrest would allow the rest of the population start getting back on track sooner.

Remember when there was the video of the Chinese welding doors and people incorrectly figured they were welding people in. They were actually blocking main entrance and forcing people to use side ones to reduce contact.

Do you think we should weld all doors and actually shut people in?

easypazz · 01-04-2020 05:30PM

thelad95 wrote: »

I don't know what planet you are on, the lockdown is not going to be relaxed anytime soon.

Why not? Once the vulnerable groups are locked away then there will be a lot less pressure on hospital ICU beds etc.

Xertz · 01-04-2020 05:30PM

easypazz wrote: »

Place the over 66's and anybody with a relevant underlying condition under house arrest would allow the rest of the population start getting back on track sooner.

Unless there is a big death toll every night people will be asking what the fcuk?

If it stays below 10 deaths a day for a week or 2 then its time to relax things, with those in the firing line left under house arrest.

Honestly, could we stop using inflammatory language like "house arrest".

It's a protective quarantine / isolation measure to try and stop the spread of a virus and relies a lot on us being voluntarily cooperative with trying to get this thing stopped. It's certainly not 'house arrest'.

gmisk · 01-04-2020 05:30PM

easypazz wrote: »

Not if the target group are under house arrest.

How many people do you think that is? Over 66 in Ireland.
Putting them under house arrest....how would that work?

rusty the athlete · 01-04-2020 05:31PM

easypazz wrote: »

Place the over 66's and anybody with a relevant underlying condition under house arrest .

And anyone like you with such ridiculous ideas in a lunatic asylum.

01-04-2020 05:32PM

mloc123 wrote: »

Interestingly my German work colleague was waiting a week to be tested and a few days after that for results.

They estimate that they are capable of doing this number

https://abcnews.go.com/amp/Health/wireStory/mass-testing-empty-icus-germany-scores-early-virus-69911783
virologist Dr. Christian Drosten, whose team developed the first test for the new virus at Berlin's Charité hospital — established over 300 years ago to treat plague victims.

He estimated that Germany is now capable of conducting up to 500,000 tests a week

wakka12 · 01-04-2020 05:32PM

easypazz wrote: »

Place the over 66's and anybody with a relevant underlying condition under house arrest would allow the rest of the population start getting back on track sooner.

Unless there is a big death toll every night people will be asking what the fcuk?

If it stays below 10 deaths a day for a week or 2 then its time to relax things, with those in the firing line left under house arrest.

People over 65 and with health conditions is about 1/5 - 1/4 of the entire population

Just Saying · 01-04-2020 05:32PM

With all the uncertainty about numbers of tests and the delays in getting test results I think the daily death totals and the rate of upward trend in same assume greater importance.

The daily death rate and the 3 and 5 day moving averages of same are not showing the rapid increases at this point in the graph as .might have been expected.

This gives me a lot of hope that we are on the right track.While we have testing issues we are still per head of population a lot better than our larger European neighbours.

The daily death rate here is trending towards a substantial flattening of the curve.While there is normally a time lag between new cases and deaths it would indicate that closing of pubs etc ,large scale and earlier adherence to social distancing compared to other countries and also the use of contact tracing have combined to prevent the rapid increase in deaths witnessed in other countries.

pjohnson · 01-04-2020 05:33PM

Wimbledon 2021 wrote: »

You don't have a clue yourself what your talking about. The figures released each day are the current cumulative figures.

I do but you yourself dont seem to understand what people are saying. But its your first day so I'll be kind.

Widdensushi · 01-04-2020 05:33PM

thelad95 wrote: »

I don't know what planet you are on, the lockdown is not going to be relaxed anytime soon.

it is of course, it's about keeping the infected cases at a level that the hospitals can cope with while building immunity with as many as possible. There is no chance of closing our doors and this not being out there when we open them, it's about management.

easypazz · 01-04-2020 05:34PM

gmisk wrote: »

How many people do you think that is? Over 66 in Ireland.
Putting them under house arrest....how would that work?

Tell them to stay indoors and put supports in place.

Then its their choice, so in 6 weeks time if they get infected and die then they have nobody to blame but themselves.

As things stand we are all effectively under house arrest.

bennyl10 · 01-04-2020 05:34PM

Blanco100 wrote: »

are you sure? I think it means there are currently 126 people in ICU.

as per worldometer its 103 people critical.

Yes. I am sure
Worldometer isn’t always accurate.

There are more that 5 recovered in Ireland and there are not 126 people currently in ICU

PTH2009 · 01-04-2020 05:35PM

your man on the news is dressed a bit scruffy for a professor

Crazy times were living in overall and this time last year who would of thought it would ever come to this

easypazz · 01-04-2020 05:35PM

wakka12 wrote: »

People over 65 and with health conditions is about 1/5 - 1/4 of the entire population

yes and it is better to have 1/4 of the population under lockdown while the 3/4 provide for them.

pc7 · 01-04-2020 05:36PM

Just Saying wrote: »

With all the uncertainty about numbers of tests and the delays in getting test results I think the daily death totals and the rate of upward trend in same assume greater importance.

The daily death rate and the 3 and 5 day moving averages of same are not showing the rapid increases at this point in the graph as .might have been expected.

This gives me a lot of hope that we are on the right track.While we have testing issues we are still per head of population a lot better than our larger European neighbours.

The daily death rate here is trending towards a substantial flattening of the curve.While there is normally a time lag between new cases and deaths it would indicate that closing of pubs etc ,large scale and earlier adherence to social distancing compared to other countries and also the use of contact tracing have combined to prevent the rapid increase in deaths witnessed in other countries.

That’s great to know, was actually coming on to ask did anyone know how the death figures were mapping.

Rows Grower · 01-04-2020 05:36PM

Professor Luke O Neil just gave a fantastically upbeat interview there on RTE News, what a pleasure to listen to such a positive educated person.

Kermit.de.frog · 01-04-2020 05:37PM

They simply refuse (as per press conference) to give current ICU numbers. Astonishing really. Every other country in Europe I have followed does this.

pjohnson · 01-04-2020 05:38PM

Wimbledon 2021 wrote: »

No you don't, otherwise you wouldn't have distinguished between cumulative and current.

There is a difference between the two terms, even if you want to call it "current cumulative" to try and blur things. That is unless you think that they leave someone that is deceased/recovered from coronavirus in the ICU bed after the case is closed.

I would be pretty confident in saying that anyone recovered/deceased is not CURRENTLY still in the ICU bed.

Notmything · 01-04-2020 05:38PM

Jim_Hodge wrote: »

My sister in law is a senior nurse in ICU in Dublin and says the figure is the number now in ICUs. So I'm totally confused.

Gavin Reilly says the figure is the total at that point in time

Fergal Bowers says it is the total number, if I am reading their tweets correctly. Apologies don't know how to embed pictures

woohoo!!! · 01-04-2020 05:39PM

Watching that is a waste of time. They're still reacting instead of implementing measures to get ahead of issues. And they're not answering questions.

With the testing debacle, people are not going to bother to come forward for testing.

They haven't a clue as to why so many health workers are getting infected.

And they're falling back to the DoH standard, say nathin

gmisk · 01-04-2020 05:39PM

easypazz wrote: »

Tell them to stay indoors and put supports in place.

Then its their choice, so in 6 weeks time if they get infected and die then they have nobody to blame but themselves.

As things stand we are all effectively under house arrest.

So like someone else said 1/4 to 1/5th of the population....good luck with that.

Under house arrest when you are free to go out and exercise, go to supermarket and chemist...

smelly sock · 01-04-2020 05:39PM

Doyler99 wrote: »

Then infection goes back up again which lead to another lockdown.....?

Relax the lockdown. Not the social distancing measures. Leave pubs and schools closed but let people back to work.

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CoVid19 Part XII - 4,604 in ROI (137 deaths) 998 in NI (56 deaths)(04/04) Read OP