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CoVid19 Part XII - 4,604 in ROI (137 deaths) 998 in NI (56 deaths)(04/04) **Read OP**

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  • #4802
    Away With The Fairies
    Banned (with Prison Access) Posts: 4,077 ✭✭✭Away With The Fairies


    ThePopehimself wrote: »
    I wear a mask.

    Wearing a mask is about protecting the people around you. It's about not coughing your droplets into the air.

    How many people out there have the Virus and either don’t know, aren’t sure or will never be tested because they don’t meet the criteria.

    How many people are either asymptomatic or have symptoms so mild, they pass it on without even knowing. There is a complacency, or at least a false sense of security.

    We should all be wearing masks and keeping the virus to ourselves. Wearing a mask could save a life. If you have the virus – and you may not know you have it – wearing a mask means you keep it to yourself.

    I’m stunned that not a single public figure has worn a mask yet.

    Not a single reporter, politician or HSE representative. Not the Chief Medical Officer, the Minister for Health or the Taoiseach. Not Claire Byrne or Ryan Tubridy or any other TV Prenter/reporter. Not a single Irish celebrity or public figure has worn a mask on TV.

    PLEASE can just one single public figure wear a mask and lead by example.

    Then you'll have everybody in the country buying masks when we already have a shortage. Doctors and nurses need them the most.


  • #4803
    woohoo!!!
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 803 ✭✭✭woohoo!!!


    Away With The Fairies wrote: »
    Small percentage of the very old, the very sick and the very fat?

    A 13 year old boy died in the UK. Do you even care?
    Themselves, Holland and Sweden are going to have a horrific death toll. I'm not familiar with the latter two and their testing and PPE supply for health workers but we know the UK are an utter shambles at both.


  • #4804
    podgeandrodge
    Site Banned Posts: 5,975 ✭✭✭podgeandrodge


    Deleted User wrote: »
    Dumb question. If you get Covid-19 and have recovered can you still spread the virus via hands etc.?
    podgeandrodge wrote:
    Have to say yes. The virus is on your hands and you are spreading it. Nothing to do with you as a person having contracted the virus.
    Ger Roe wrote: »
    Clarification needed there with that statement - do you spread it because you are still affected with the virus, or if you come in contact with it from another source, you can pick it up and deposit it, just like anyone else?

    I would hope it's the latter and not that you become a super spreader after you clear the symptoms of infection.

    I'm no doctor! But you're just picking it up like dirt on your hand and spreading it like everyone else.


  • #4805
    Kermit.de.frog
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 25,201 ✭✭✭✭Kermit.de.frog


    Doctors room ghost wrote: »
    Sure they had to get cheltenham over with first the fcukin clowns

    Looks like that's being priced in now.

    And the concerts and marathons that were still going on...


  • #4806
    Curious_Case
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 1,525 ✭✭✭Curious_Case


    devnull wrote: »
    Steep acceleration for the UK at this point, catching the other worms after being behind.

    507866.jpg

    That's a logarithmic graph so looks dissimilar to the more common linear graphs.


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  • #4807
    [Deleted User]
    Posts: 0 ✭ [Deleted User]


    Can I ask, have any of you got this new Covid-19 leaflet that was imminent last week? In a time where people need facts, where is it? nearly 2 million for a bleeding printer and here we are waiting for a tell all covid info pack?

    anyone get one?? or like the tests now, was the idea of them more credible than the tangible items themselves...bloody joke.

    also Leo was quick to point out, they'd be delivered FREE OF CHARGE!! very good of him eh.. I mean our Taxes pay for them anyway.


  • #4808
    ITman88
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 876 ✭✭✭ITman88


    wakka12 wrote: »
    2350 divided by 600,000? 0.4%, and there are many deaths unaccounted for
    Perhaps some of these poeple would have died anyway, and happened to have coronavirus, theres currently no strong proof of that as yet, its just a theory, but obviously plasuible one. We will have to wait and see what thenational mortality rate for the year turns out like. However,monthly mortality statistics in places like Lombardy would imply that coronavirus is causing massively inflated excess mortality, and would make the theory look unlikely.

    Yeah we will know when figures are published what the death rate actually is.
    I just think media publishing death rates is lazy puke journalism, of course death sells but it’s never put in context in the media.


  • #4809
    Duke of Url
    Closed Accounts Posts: 1,662 ✭✭✭Duke of Url


    4324 new cases and 563 new deaths in the United Kingdom: including 2 teenagers, a 13-year-old boy, and a 19-year-old man


    that is really scary death numbers in the UK


  • #4810
    Wibbs
    Moderators, Science, Health & Environment Moderators, Society & Culture Moderators Posts: 60,322 Mod ✭✭✭✭Wibbs


    ThePopehimself wrote: »
    I wear a mask.

    Wearing a mask is about protecting the people around you. It's about not coughing your droplets into the air.

    How many people out there have the Virus and either don’t know, aren’t sure or will never be tested because they don’t meet the criteria.

    How many people are either asymptomatic or have symptoms so mild, they pass it on without even knowing. There is a complacency, or at least a false sense of security.

    We should all be wearing masks and keeping the virus to ourselves. Wearing a mask could save a life. If you have the virus – and you may not know you have it – wearing a mask means you keep it to yourself.

    I’m stunned that not a single public figure has worn a mask yet.

    Not a single reporter, politician or HSE representative. Not the Chief Medical Officer, the Minister for Health or the Taoiseach. Not Claire Byrne or Ryan Tubridy or any other TV Prenter/reporter. Not a single Irish celebrity or public figure has worn a mask on TV.

    PLEASE can just one single public figure wear a mask and lead by example.
    Not a chance when the HSE is insisting against all logic that they're not needed and are a negative. Understandable when they didn't have enough for doctors and nurses, but with 200 million quids worth of gear coming from China, now is the time to get that message out.

    TBH I doubt they will. Yes the HSE and government have been OK in response to this, but they were helped in a major way by our demographics and very low population density. It's time to get more community driven action and start wearing masks when going outside. If the supermarket chains agreed to insist on some sort of face covering or you don't get in that would make a big difference. In Austria you can't shop without a mask. In Taiwan and the Czech Republic you can't leave your house without one. By law.

    Many worry about Artificial Intelligence. I worry far more about Organic Idiocy.



  • #4811
    Downlinz
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 1,673 ✭✭✭Downlinz


    rusty cole wrote: »
    Can I ask, have any of you got this new Covid-19 leaflet that was imminent last week? In a time where people need facts, where is it? nearly 2 million for a bleeding printer and here we are waiting for a tell all covid info pack?

    anyone get one?? or like the tests now, was the idea of them more credible than the tangible items themselves...bloody joke.

    I got it last week along with the postcards.


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  • #4812
    take everything
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 9,847 ✭✭✭take everything


    Rob A. Bank wrote: »
    That comedian was correct... Market worship has become a death cult.

    Facehugger is advocating, whether he knows it or not, for the complete collapse of our health system. A thriving economy with no health system. Don't think he's thought it through tbh


  • #4813
    Kermit.de.frog
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 25,201 ✭✭✭✭Kermit.de.frog


    Duke of Url wrote: »
    4324 new cases and 563 new deaths in the United Kingdom: including 2 teenagers, a 13-year-old boy, and a 19-year-old man


    that is really scary death numbers in the UK

    Paying the price for slow reaction in there as well. Johnson and his cabal did not take this seriously until the very last minute.


  • #4814
    frillyleaf
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 801 ✭✭✭frillyleaf


    easypazz wrote: »
    Nonsense, Irish people still need to get home, very few arriving in now anyway, and they are required to self isolate for 14 days.

    I saw a gentleman in the supermarket yesterday with luggage, fresh tags etc still on the bags. It seemed like he had just been through an airport. Perhaps he has no one to help him when he returned home so I can understand the difficulty with self isolation. However I think situations like this are unfair on cashiers etc that he had to interact with to pay for food. I feel at this stage It would be better to just quarantine people and remove the assumption that people will go straight to their homes and self isolate


  • #4815
    Tootsie_1
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 309 ✭✭Tootsie_1


    rusty cole wrote: »
    Can I ask, have any of you got this new Covid-19 leaflet that was imminent last week? In a time where people need facts, where is it? nearly 2 million for a bleeding printer and here we are waiting for a tell all covid info pack?

    anyone get one?? or like the tests now, was the idea of them more credible than the tangible items themselves...bloody joke.

    also Leo was quick to point out, they'd be delivered FREE OF CHARGE!! very good of him eh.. I mean our Taxes pay for them anyway.

    Yep got it today


  • #4816
    ITman88
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 876 ✭✭✭ITman88


    Away With The Fairies wrote: »
    Small percentage of the very old, the very sick and the very fat?

    A 13 year old boy died in the UK. Do you even care?

    The death of the 13 year old boy was tragic.

    It is not however unusual to see young deaths from a variety of causes and certainty not unusual from pneumonia.


  • #4817
    Wibbs
    Moderators, Science, Health & Environment Moderators, Society & Culture Moderators Posts: 60,322 Mod ✭✭✭✭Wibbs


    Away With The Fairies wrote: »
    Then you'll have everybody in the country buying masks when we already have a shortage. Doctors and nurses need them the most.
    200 million quids worth of medical stock including PPE has been arriving from China for the HSE. Plus people can make their own masks. Never mind that with masks on top of hand hygiene and social distancing will decrease the caseload even more, thereby putting our health service under less pressure.

    Many worry about Artificial Intelligence. I worry far more about Organic Idiocy.



  • #4818
    c.p.w.g.w
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 4,998 ✭✭✭c.p.w.g.w


    rusty cole wrote: »
    Can I ask, have any of you got this new Covid-19 leaflet that was imminent last week? In a time where people need facts, where is it? nearly 2 million for a bleeding printer and here we are waiting for a tell all covid info pack?

    anyone get one?? or like the tests now, was the idea of them more credible than the tangible items themselves...bloody joke.

    also Leo was quick to point out, they'd be delivered FREE OF CHARGE!! very good of him eh.. I mean our Taxes pay for them anyway.

    An post waived their fee apparently


  • #4819
    tikkahunter
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 1,052 ✭✭✭tikkahunter


    Wibbs wrote: »
    Not a chance when the HSE is insisting against all logic that they're not needed and are a negative. Understandable when they didn't have enough for doctors and nurses, but with 200 million quids worth of gear coming from China, now is the time to get that message out.

    TBH I doubt they will. Yes the HSE and government have been OK in response to this, but they were helped in a major way by our demographics and very low population density. It's time to get more community driven action and start wearing masks when going outside. If the supermarket chains agreed to insist on some sort of face covering or you don't get in that would make a big difference. In Austria you can't shop without a mask. In Taiwan and the Czech Republic you can't leave your house without one. By law.
    There are a lot of different grades and to be honest the ones you see advertised on wish and the likes are useless to doctors and healthcare workers but fine for just going the shop or for your walk .


  • #4820
    [Deleted User]
    Posts: 0 ✭ [Deleted User]


    ok so weird , how come some have them and others don't. This is all about education too,if they need compliance, then follow through and don't dither!


  • #4821
    Wibbs
    Moderators, Science, Health & Environment Moderators, Society & Culture Moderators Posts: 60,322 Mod ✭✭✭✭Wibbs


    ITman88 wrote: »
    The death of the 13 year old boy was tragic.

    It is not however unusual to see young deaths from a variety of causes and certainty not unusual from pneumonia.
    +1. While tragic these outliers are just that outliers, but the press are quick to jump on this tiny minority of tragedies because it gets clicks.

    Many worry about Artificial Intelligence. I worry far more about Organic Idiocy.



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  • #4822
    alan partridge aha
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 3,337 ✭✭✭alan partridge aha


    Duke of Url wrote: »
    4324 new cases and 563 new deaths in the United Kingdom: including 2 teenagers, a 13-year-old boy, and a 19-year-old man


    that is really scary death numbers in the UK

    Ya knew Britain was going to be out of control. I'd say Italy will have less cases today than GB.


  • #4823
    bekker
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 912 ✭✭✭bekker


    ITman88 wrote: »
    The current deaths from Italy sound insane, but it’s nothing unusual for March in Italy.
    62000 deaths in March a number of years ago, when we see the number of deaths from this March we can than accurately see the rise in deaths.

    https://www.google.com/amp/s/www.bloomberg.com/amp/news/articles/2020-03-31/italy-s-mild-flu-season-may-solve-mystery-of-coronavirus-deaths
    Very interesting article, as was the following one on wastewater analysis by the Dutch.

    Running the Lombardy figures cumulatively from say Nov. '19, and the similar figure comparisons back to '16, might be illuminating one way or the other.

    If the Roman and southern Italian hospitals get their isolation protocols and PPE equipment acts together we could see very different in-hospital infection rates there.


  • #4824
    is_that_so
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 32,136 ✭✭✭✭is_that_so


    Wibbs wrote: »
    Not a chance when the HSE is insisting against all logic that they're not needed and are a negative. Understandable when they didn't have enough for doctors and nurses, but with 200 million quids worth of gear coming from China, now is the time to get that message out.

    TBH I doubt they will. Yes the HSE and government have been OK in response to this, but they were helped in a major way by our demographics and very low population density. It's time to get more community driven action and start wearing masks when going outside. If the supermarket chains agreed to insist on some sort of face covering or you don't get in that would make a big difference. In Austria you can't shop without a mask. In Taiwan and the Czech Republic you can't leave your house without one. By law.
    No evidence is what the NEPHT/HSE are saying based on what the WHO says but there's nothing stopping you getting one. There are actually very few countries who have it by law. Austria were about to introduce it and now it seems there aren't enough. We could expect exactly the same situation here.


  • #4825
    Wibbs
    Moderators, Science, Health & Environment Moderators, Society & Culture Moderators Posts: 60,322 Mod ✭✭✭✭Wibbs


    tikkahunter wrote: »
    There are a lot of different grades and to be honest the ones you see advertised on wish and the likes are useless to doctors and healthcare workers but fine for just going the shop or for your walk .
    Never mind that if you rock up with a box of masks to the HSE it'll almost certainly end up on a shelf somewhere. I've had dealings with them. The people at teh coalface are good, bloody good, but the bureaucracy behind them is byzantine and wasteful. Note how not once has the HSE made a drive for people to donate PPE?

    Many worry about Artificial Intelligence. I worry far more about Organic Idiocy.



  • #4826
    Doctors room ghost
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 4,839 ✭✭✭Doctors room ghost


    c.p.w.g.w wrote: »
    An post waived their fee apparently




    Postcards are free to post.
    I’m sending mine to Varadkar with the word PANDEMIC written on it. Lol


  • #4827
    Gynoid
    Closed Accounts Posts: 1,524 ✭✭✭Gynoid


    [Deleted User] wrote: »
    Test kits contaminated with covid19:
    https://www.msn.com/en-nz/news/world/coronavirus-testing-kits-heading-to-the-uk-found-to-be-contaminated-with-covid-19/ar-BB11YhSx?li=BBqdg4K

    It's like a Laurel and Hardy show in some ways.


  • #4828
    silverharp
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 18,854 ✭✭✭✭silverharp


    bekker wrote: »
    Very interesting article, as was the following one on wastewater analysis by the Dutch.

    Running the Lombardy figures cumulatively from say Nov. '19, and the similar figure comparisons back to '16, might be illuminating one way or the other.

    If the Roman and southern Italian hospitals get their isolation protocols and PPE equipment acts together we could see very different in-hospital infection rates there.

    from a smaller area, suggests deaths are higher than normal

    https://twitter.com/DellAnnaLuca/status/1245161232476209154

    A belief in gender identity involves a level of faith as there is nothing tangible to prove its existence which, as something divorced from the physical body, is similar to the idea of a soul. - Colette Colfer



  • #4829
    RandomName2
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 5,575 ✭✭✭RandomName2


    youreadthat wrote: »
    Over 600,000 people die in the UK every year.

    I once poked fun at someone who said that a terrorist attack was of no significance if you compared it to road deaths. I compared the number of French people that died due to heart disease between 1940 and 1945 with those that died at the hands of the Third Reich, and was therefore able to 'conclude' that the Third Reich in western Europe wasn't a big deal. :pac:

    If no measures were taken to halt the spread of the disease we would expect 20,000 dead here. I'm more than a little bit tired of people trying to justify that.


  • #4830
    alan partridge aha
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 3,337 ✭✭✭alan partridge aha


    UK daily cases similar to our own per capita but death rate is 2.5 times ours.


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  • #4831
    ITman88
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 876 ✭✭✭ITman88


    bekker wrote: »
    Very interesting article, as was the following one on wastewater analysis by the Dutch.

    Running the Lombardy figures cumulatively from say Nov. '19, and the similar figure comparisons back to '16, might be illuminating one way or the other.

    If the Roman and southern Italian hospitals get their isolation protocols and PPE equipment acts together we could see very different in-hospital infection rates there.

    Health organisations need to learn quickly here, we need restrictions lifted as soon as makes sense from a health point of view and the next contagious virus that sweeps the globe can’t see the same response.


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