Is it just me or have SF vanished?

maccored · 01-04-2020 02:50PM

CtevenSrowder wrote: »

Oh my days! More people would be happy with FF and FG in government considering more people voted for those 2 parties then SF. In the run up to the election both parties were quite insistent that they wouldn't go into government with SF. So, if anything, they are holding on to the promise made to the electorate and as such the people who voted for them. Au contraire, it seems you don't quite get the link between what people want and democracy.

SF didn't solely get the largest number of seats, least enough to solely govern. They have no divine right to be in government. No party has to speak to them if they don't want to. There is nothing undemocratic about that. It seems you have a problem more with our electoral system then anything.

I see you forgot to read my post. as I said, its not who voted for SF but who didnt vote for FF and FG. There - thats the second time I typed that. Maybe you could move that massive anti SF chip you have on your shoulder so you can read better.

maccored · 01-04-2020 02:51PM

why not just go and read up on some facts first. thered be less **** in this thread with others trying to correct the rubbish that gets posted.

Jinglejangle69 · 01-04-2020 02:57PM

maccored wrote: »

are you pretending they havent been?

Many SF supporters here said the numbers aren't there.

Now you agree they are?

CtevenSrowder · 01-04-2020 03:01PM

maccored wrote: »

I see you forgot to read my post. as I said, its not who voted for SF but who didnt vote for FF and FG. There - thats the second time I typed that. Maybe you could move that massive anti SF chip you have on your shoulder so you can read better.

What about those who didn't vote FF and FG. If they didn't vote those parties, why would they want them in government, with or without SF? None of this explains how FF or FG are being undemocratic by not speaking to SF anyhow.

As I've said, your problem is with our electoral system.

rdwight · 01-04-2020 03:04PM

Deleted User wrote: »

Its hardly unreasonable if someone is paying tax/prsi here to get back,what they put in??

If they arent paying tax/prsi hard to see any future in this grievence

Agreed but, strange as it may seem, the rule seems to be that it's the country of residence that picks up the tab. Either way, I can't see why SF should insist we pick up the whole tab for all cross-border commuters.

Shefwedfan · 01-04-2020 03:06PM

maccored wrote: »

are you pretending they havent been?

According to everyone on this thread, SF are not talking to them.

So you are seemingly the beacon of truth, which is?
A. they are talking with them but cant manage to strike a deal with any of them?
B. Not talking to them at all?

Randy Archer · 01-04-2020 03:10PM

maccored wrote: »

you obviously werent listening. she said people asked for change and didnt want FF or FG - but did that stop her trying to get a government together? No, it didnt. Did it stop people like you talking **** ? no it didnt do that either

You obviously live in la la land ! Attention span ain’t great either

Here’s what Mary Lou also waffled out on 9the February at the RDS

“I want us to have a new government for the people ,ideally without Fine Gael and Fianna Fáil in it”

And

“The best outcome is a government without Fine Gael and Fianna Fáil , that the first thing I went to test”

To any half wit, her statement was crystal clear, but the criticism is that the actual seats return at that point did not support her change bs .

She tried to form a government to their exclusion, which is fair enough, but then she came back to FF with her tail between her legs whinging . Anyone with some ounce of intelligence knew that a left coalition with head bangers from people before progress and Labour sitting out was never on the cards , and SF and Labournhave always been hostile towards each other

Amateurs ! . Had they not being so mathematically retarded ,she would never have made those statements ,knowing full well it would come back to bite her

As pointed out multiple times, this so called change that the left are waffling on a bout it is bloody farce . No such change occurred, the results from the most recent elections were inconclusive .

Ff and FG combined don’t need that much work to get another government going . Out of the 19 Independents they can secure with relative ease , 10 of them .. once enough carrots are dangled before the Green Party ,they’d be in

It ain’t in FFs interest to do any of these deals anyway, and they’d take their risk of going back to the electorate . If they are ****ed in the long term, I agree with the assessment of another poster who made that point (it might have been you)

There would be some in FG content enough to go to the opposition benches considering the **** storms that are coming with recession and Brexit

Covid is now in the way, which suits ff and FG but there’s going to be another election by the end of the year

Fred Cryton · 01-04-2020 03:17PM

10% of the electorate voted for change ( this was the increase in SF support).

You could argue maybe another 5% voted for change through the Greens, representing their increased vote. Although this has dropped back in recent opinion polls.

So at a push we are talking 15% of the population voted for change. That means 85% did not vote for any change whatsoever.

And bear in mind the Greens and the Shinners have largely incompatible policy platforms (one pro carbon tax the other anti carbon tax)...so even within that 15% they couldn't agree what change they wanted.

Change my ar*e.

maccored · 01-04-2020 03:31PM

Jinglejangle69 wrote: »

Many SF supporters here said the numbers aren't there.

Now you agree they are?

what? technically the numbers might be there but the numbers might not all agree with each other. do you really need that pointed out?

maccored · 01-04-2020 03:32PM

Randy Archer wrote: »

You obviously live in la la land ! Attention span ain’t great either

Here’s what Mary Lou also waffled out on 9the February at the RDS

“I want us to have a new government for the people ,ideally without Fine Gael and Fianna Fáil in it”

And

“The best outcome is a government without Fine Gael and Fianna Fáil , that the first thing I went to test”

To any half wit, her statement was crystal clear, but the criticism is that the actual seats return at that point did not support her change bs .

She tried to form a government to their exclusion, which is fair enough, but then she came back to FF with her tail between her legs whinging . Anyone with some ounce of intelligence knew that a left coalition with head bangers from people before progress and Labour sitting out was never on the cards , and SF and Labournhave always been hostile towards each other

Amateurs ! . Had they not being so mathematically retarded ,she would never have made those statements ,knowing full well it would come back to bite her

As pointed out multiple times, this so called change that the left are waffling on a bout it is bloody farce . No such change occurred, the results from the most recent elections were inconclusive .

Ff and FG combined don’t need that much work to get another government going . Out of the 19 Independents they can secure with relative ease , 10 of them .. once enough carrots are dangled before the Green Party ,they’d be in

It ain’t in FFs interest to do any of these deals anyway, and they’d take their risk of going back to the electorate . If they are ****ed in the long term, I agree with the assessment of another poster who made that point (it might have been you)

There would be some in FG content enough to go to the opposition benches considering the **** storms that are coming with recession and Brexit

Covid is now in the way, which suits ff and FG but there’s going to be another election by the end of the year

I dont care where you think i live mr hilarious, the point is SF made efforts to talk to FF. All your waffling and whataboutery cant change that

maccored · 01-04-2020 03:33PM

Shefwedfan wrote: »

According to everyone on this thread, SF are not talking to them.

So you are seemingly the beacon of truth, which is?
A. they are talking with them but cant manage to strike a deal with any of them?
B. Not talking to them at all?

according to everyone on this thread .... where were you when the election results were being counted? because the shinners were out talking to everyone they could. again .... waffle all you want, you cant hide the truth

maccored · 01-04-2020 03:35PM

CtevenSrowder wrote: »

What about those who didn't vote FF and FG. If they didn't vote those parties, why would they want them in government, with or without SF? None of this explains how FF or FG are being undemocratic by not speaking to SF anyhow.

As I've said, your problem is with our electoral system.

people want change. FF and FG (and obviously those like yourself) dont. If you think talking crap on boards makes that reality any different then you are greatly mistaken

01-04-2020 03:35PM

Fred Cryton wrote: »

10% of the electorate voted for change ( this was the increase in SF support).

You could argue maybe another 5% voted for change through the Greens, representing their increased vote. Although this has dropped back in recent opinion polls.

So at a push we are talking 15% of the population voted for change. That means 85% did not vote for any change whatsoever.

And bear in mind the Greens and the Shinners have largely incompatible policy platforms (one pro carbon tax the other anti carbon tax)...so even within that 15% they couldn't agree what change they wanted.

Change my ar*e.

Some really poor maths here

Shinnernomics is as contagious as cv-19 it seems ww

CtevenSrowder · 01-04-2020 03:48PM

maccored wrote: »

people want change. FF and FG (and obviously those like yourself) dont. If you think talking crap on boards makes that reality any different then you are greatly mistaken

How is having FF or FG in a government change? I see you still can't back up your claim that FF or FG are acting undemocratically.

Shefwedfan · 01-04-2020 03:51PM

maccored wrote: »

according to everyone on this thread .... where were you when the election results were being counted? because the shinners were out talking to everyone they could. again .... waffle all you want, you cant hide the truth

And the thread has descended to a new level of stupidity

BarryD2 · 01-04-2020 04:07PM

What was concerning recently was to hear of the degree that the Green/Orange divide is affecting NI politics. SF reps reported to be framing the response to the virus pandemic in terms of 'all Ireland' and 'border' arguments.

Whatever the logic of it, can they not give it a rest? Or be more diplomatic? Why do they feel compelled to drive their 'all Ireland' and 'border' agendas continually? At all costs.

maccored · 01-04-2020 04:08PM

Shefwedfan wrote: »

And the thread has descended to a new level of stupidity

you can say that again. well - lets be honest .. the whole thread is a new level of stupidity. It should never have existed in the first place.

maccored · 01-04-2020 04:09PM

CtevenSrowder wrote: »

How is having FF or FG in a government change? I see you still can't back up your claim that FF or FG are acting undemocratically.

I see you still havent admitted SF have done all they could to put a government together. I've outlined what I meant but it seems to have whooshed over your head.

Runaways · 01-04-2020 04:17PM

BarryD2 wrote: »

What was concerning recently was to hear of the degree that the Green/Orange divide is affecting NI politics. SF reps reported to be framing the response to the virus pandemic in terms of 'all Ireland' and 'border' arguments.

Whatever the logic of it, can they not give it a rest? Or be more diplomatic? Why do they feel compelled to drive their 'all Ireland' and 'border' agendas continually? At all costs.

We could have the most successful methods of closing this virus down. Meanwhile literally just up the road it’s chaos constantly dealing with it and their overlords in London haven’t a bulls notion what they’re doing and it’s killing thousands of people already no blame to the nhs the Tories have been gutting it for decades.

So we are wasting our time trying to get a handle on our situation if the same approach isn’t applied up north.

It’s absolutely nothing to do w Sinn Fein and their aspirations. It’s common effing sense and many lives could be saved if the DUP would just pull their heads out of their overlords arses

CtevenSrowder · 01-04-2020 04:21PM

maccored wrote: »

I see you still havent admitted SF have done all they could to put a government together. I've outlined what I meant but it seems to have whooshed over your head.

Did I ever claim they didn't?

Your claim doesn't make sense. People want change i.e. they want someone other than FF or FG. So how is FF or FG refusing to negotiate with SF stopping that change from happening exactly?

maccored · 01-04-2020 04:25PM

CtevenSrowder wrote: »

Did I ever claim they didn't?

Your claim doesn't make sense. People want change i.e. they want someone other than FF or FG. So how is FF or FG refusing to negotiate with SF stopping that change from happening exactly?

Im sorry but Im quite full. i cant really handle any more waffles.

FrancieBrady · 01-04-2020 04:28PM

CtevenSrowder wrote: »

Did I ever claim they didn't?

Your claim doesn't make sense. People want change i.e. they want someone other than FF or FG. So how is FF or FG refusing to negotiate with SF stopping that change from happening exactly?

FF and FG are not refusing to negotiate with SF for the reasons they state. They are refusing in a last ditch effort to avoid losing control of who governs this state.

They simply don't want a third and equal party in the mix.

Labour don't count btw...they were just a lite version of FG/FF

After all the grandstanding in the election campaign...FF is sitting down to negotiate a coalition with FG after promising not to...and Martin also opened the door to SF when he thought they would be a junior partner.

The moral grandstanding is bull****...it's all about 'control'.

Penfailed · 01-04-2020 04:28PM

BarryD2 wrote: »

What was concerning recently was to hear of the degree that the Green/Orange divide is affecting NI politics. SF reps reported to be framing the response to the virus pandemic in terms of 'all Ireland' and 'border' arguments.

Whatever the logic of it, can they not give it a rest? Or be more diplomatic? Why do they feel compelled to drive their 'all Ireland' and 'border' agendas continually? At all costs.

Are you serious?! You don't think an all island approach makes more sense than for the north to blindly follow Boris Johnston's lead? Virus' don't respect borders y'know.

Shefwedfan · 01-04-2020 05:06PM

FrancieBrady wrote: »

FF and FG are not refusing to negotiate with SF for the reasons they state. They are refusing in a last ditch effort to avoid losing control of who governs this state.

They simply don't want a third and equal party in the mix.

Labour don't count btw...they were just a lite version of FG/FF

After all the grandstanding in the election campaign...FF is sitting down to negotiate a coalition with FG after promising not to...and Martin also opened the door to SF when he thought they would be a junior partner.

The moral grandstanding is bull****...it's all about 'control'.

Have SF negotiated successfully with any party in Ireland? so if they did try to go into government they would support them?

antonboyle · 01-04-2020 05:08PM

Pkiernan wrote: »

I haven't seen or heard anything from Mary Lou, Slab Murphy and other good Republicans in ages.

What's going on?

It's just you

CtevenSrowder · 01-04-2020 05:12PM

maccored wrote: »

Im sorry but Im quite full. i cant really handle any more waffles.

So in other words, your claim that FF and FG have "no time for democracy" is completely bogus.

blanch152 · 01-04-2020 05:17PM

maccored wrote: »

are you pretending they havent been?

Currently, they aren't. The Greens haven't heard from them for days now. Is Mary-Lou still in self-isolation?

Mortelaro · 01-04-2020 05:18PM

FrancieBrady wrote: »

of who governs this state

Fascinating use of Sinn Féin lingo there from someone claiming to be a recent new voter for them...
I'd suggest new proof readers

FrancieBrady · 01-04-2020 05:21PM

Mortelaro wrote: »

Fascinating use of Sinn Féin lingo there from someone claiming to be a recent new voter for them...
I'd suggest new proof readers

Positively weird paranoia there Mort.

Nitrogan · 01-04-2020 05:35PM

Shefwedfan wrote: »

Have SF negotiated successfully with any party in Ireland? so if they did try to go into government they would support them?

Sinn Fein/IRA fooled young people into committing atrocities for the cause of removing British rule in Ireland, while all the time behaving like a heavily armed murderous criminal organisation. Robbing banks, murdering unarmed Gardai and terrorising non-compliant Irish people.

They sold out that cause with the promise NI would decide it's own affairs with guaranteed Nationalist equal representation. And then stabbed their own people in the back by being too incompetent to work in a two party coalition, leading to three years of direct rule from Westminster right back where they started.

Sinn Fein are not a political party which can operate in a democracy. They have absolutely not negotiating skills without the threat of violence behind them.

Anyone who votes for them has given up on democratic consent as a means of governance.

Is it just me or have SF vanished?

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