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Is it just me or have SF vanished?

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  • #1262
    hmmm
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 11,203 ✭✭✭✭hmmm


    Runaways wrote: »
    Leo Varadkar and Fine Gael are using COVID-19 to cling to power
    SF, FF and all the rest have the numbers to form a government tomorrow. Would you suggest that FG walk away and leave the country leaderless while SF struggle to get their s**t together?


  • #1263
    Runaways
    Banned (with Prison Access) Posts: 1,269 ✭✭✭Runaways


    hmmm wrote: »
    SF, FF and all the rest have the numbers to form a government tomorrow. Would you suggest that FG walk away and leave the country leaderless while SF struggle to get their s**t together?

    We’ll never know. Only a few weeks ago Leo wanted to walk away into opposition.
    Cute hoor he is, saw hls chance to do his bathroom hand dryer impression with a prepared speech cos all the lemmings would eat it up. And they did. and no we’re stuck with him until we aren’t.


  • #1264
    Rodney Bathgate
    Closed Accounts Posts: 3,445 ✭✭✭Rodney Bathgate


    Shefwedfan wrote: »
    Twitter is my leaders choice? Who is my leader?

    #NotMyLeader


  • #1265
    hmmm
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 11,203 ✭✭✭✭hmmm


    Runaways wrote: »
    We’ll never know. Only a few weeks ago Leo wanted to walk away into opposition.
    Cute hoor he is, saw hls chance to do his bathroom hand dryer impression with a prepared speech cos all the lemmings would eat it up. And they did. and no we’re stuck with him until we aren’t.
    He's the Taoiseach of the country during a 100 year pandemic, do you expect him to say nothing to the country?

    SF, FF could be in government tomorrow if they wanted and could be bothered trying. FG have said they are happy to step down and go into opposition.


  • #1266
    Shefwedfan
    Closed Accounts Posts: 16,927 ✭✭✭✭Shefwedfan


    Runaways wrote: »
    We’ll never know. Only a few weeks ago Leo wanted to walk away into opposition.
    Cute hoor he is, saw hls chance to do his bathroom hand dryer impression with a prepared speech cos all the lemmings would eat it up. And they did. and no we’re stuck with him until we aren’t.


    He wanted to walk into opposition....after the election it would have been the best move for FG

    Then Mary Lou opened her mouth and everything fell around SF, remember she hasnt managed to get a single party to join her

    Now the option is,

    1. stand back and let the country fall apart and get the blame.

    2. Stand up and help the country, while some idiots will snipe from the sidelines....


    3. Stand up and help the country, while sitting down with opposition parties to work out best way forward. All the while knowing if you make the arrangment you are losing your job


    Im no fan of Leo, but in reality he has done option 3.

    What exactly have Mary Lou and SF done in this process? she off fixing peoples tv licenses?


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  • #1267
    Rows Grower
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 8,575 ✭✭✭Rows Grower


    Runaways wrote: »
    Wow. Even Irish central going for him

    Leo Varadkar and Fine Gael are using COVID-19 to cling to power

    https://www.irishcentral.com/news/politics/leo-varadkar-fine-gael-covid19.amp?__twitter_impression=true

    Very insightful article, thanks for sharing.

    "Very soon we are going to Mars. You wouldn't have been going to Mars if my opponent won, that I can tell you. You wouldn't even be thinking about it."

    Donald Trump, March 13th 2018.



  • #1268
    FrancieBrady
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 74,075 ✭✭✭✭FrancieBrady


    Runaways wrote: »
    Wow. Even Irish central going for him

    Leo Varadkar and Fine Gael are using COVID-19 to cling to power

    https://www.irishcentral.com/news/politics/leo-varadkar-fine-gael-covid19.amp?__twitter_impression=true

    About time he and FG were called out on it, they aren't exactly being subtle about it.


  • #1269
    [Deleted User]
    Posts: 17,849 ✭✭✭✭ [Deleted User]


    Breaking news. SF are in advanced talks with FF. Stumbling block is positions of Taoiseach and Tainiste.


  • #1270
    FrancieBrady
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 74,075 ✭✭✭✭FrancieBrady


    Shefwedfan wrote: »
    He wanted to walk into opposition....after the election it would have been the best move for FG

    Then Mary Lou opened her mouth and everything fell around SF, remember she hasnt managed to get a single party to join her

    Now the option is,

    1. stand back and let the country fall apart and get the blame.

    2. Stand up and help the country, while some idiots will snipe from the sidelines....


    3. Stand up and help the country, while sitting down with opposition parties to work out best way forward. All the while knowing if you make the arrangment you are losing your job


    Im no fan of Leo, but in reality he has done option 3.

    What exactly have Mary Lou and SF done in this process? she off fixing peoples tv licenses?

    Fine Gael tried this 'sniping' nonsense before the election the Irish voter was not interested. They have more sense. Any idiot can portray the job of opposition as 'sniping from the sidelines'.

    It's one of the more ridiculous ones tbh.


  • #1271
    [Deleted User]
    Posts: 1,478 ✭✭✭ [Deleted User]


    Runaways wrote: »
    We’ll never know. Only a few weeks ago Leo wanted to walk away into opposition.
    Cute hoor he is, saw hls chance to do his bathroom hand dryer impression with a prepared speech cos all the lemmings would eat it up. And they did. and no we’re stuck with him until we aren’t.

    Big difference, of course, is when the crisis arrived, he stepped up, SF walked out.

    As SF always do.


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  • #1272
    Rodney Bathgate
    Closed Accounts Posts: 3,445 ✭✭✭Rodney Bathgate


    Shame of FG for not standing aside and letting Mary Lou and her grand coalition of the left take power.


  • #1273
    FrancieBrady
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 74,075 ✭✭✭✭FrancieBrady


    Deleted User wrote: »
    Big difference, of course, is when the crisis arrived, he stepped up, SF walked out.

    As SF always do.

    Again, this is just complete bollixs that the challenged might swallow, anyone with any knowledge of how it works won't be swallowing that one either.

    The duty is on the caretaker government to respond, FG had no choices here.

    The two parties excluding others from government are FF and FG, you cannot dress it up any other way.


  • #1274
    [Deleted User]
    Posts: 1,478 ✭✭✭ [Deleted User]


    FrancieBrady wrote: »
    Again, this is just complete bollixs that the challenged might swallow, anyone with any knowledge of how it works won't be swallowing that one either.

    The duty is on the caretaker government to respond, FG had no choices here.

    The two parties excluding others from government are FF and FG, you cannot dress it up any other way.

    SF walked away in NI and are keeping their heads down here too. It's what they do, it's their stock response when reality intervenes on their "easy options" politics.


  • #1275
    Rodney Bathgate
    Closed Accounts Posts: 3,445 ✭✭✭Rodney Bathgate


    FrancieBrady wrote: »
    Again, this is just complete bollixs that the challenged might swallow, anyone with any knowledge of how it works won't be swallowing that one either.

    The duty is on the caretaker government to respond, FG had no choices here.

    The two parties excluding others from government are FF and FG, you cannot dress it up any other way.

    As a SF member you can be excused for not understanding how democracy works, but down here we let parties decide whether they join a coalition to form a government or not. Any party can choose to join, or not join.

    FF and FG have less than half the seats, so there is nothing stopping SF forming a government if as you say FF and FG are the only parties preventing it.

    #MaryLooForTaoiseach


  • #1276
    FrancieBrady
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 74,075 ✭✭✭✭FrancieBrady


    Rodney Bathgate wrote: »
    As a SF member you can be excused for not understanding how democracy works, but down here we let parties decide whether they join a coalition to form a government or not. Any party can choose to join, or not join.

    FF and FG have less than half the seats, so there is nothing stopping SF forming a government if as you say FF and FG are the only parties preventing it.

    #MaryLooForTaoiseach

    SF voter who lives 'down here'.

    Yes, the intelligent person knows how democracy and coalitions work...how would they not if they were even paying 20% attention to government formation over the last 20 years.

    They can see 'exclusion' when it happens too. The 2 main parties petulantly refusing to accept a challenge to their power swap.

    They have seen the awkward and contradictory confidence and supply arrangement and now the painful coalescing/merger they are having to do to keep control.
    The electorate are not the chums FF and FG have always taken them for...not anymore. That is why their vote share continues to fall and fall - a smarter electorate.


  • #1277
    Rodney Bathgate
    Closed Accounts Posts: 3,445 ✭✭✭Rodney Bathgate


    FrancieBrady wrote: »
    SF voter who lives 'down here'.

    Yes, the intelligent person knows how democracy and coalitions work...how would they not if they were even paying 20% attention to government formation over the last 20 years.

    They can see 'exclusion' when it happens too. The 2 main parties petulantly refusing to accept a challenge to their power swap.

    They have seen the awkward and contradictory confidence and supply arrangement and now the painful coalescing/merger they are having to do to keep control.
    The electorate are not the chums FF and FG have always taken them for...not anymore. That is why their vote share continues to fall and fall - a smarter electorate.

    As I said, the 2 parties you referred to have less than half the seats. They are not stopping PBP/Solidarity/RISE, Greens, Labour, SDs and the independents from forming a coalition with SF.


  • #1278
    FrancieBrady
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 74,075 ✭✭✭✭FrancieBrady


    Rodney Bathgate wrote: »
    As I said, the 2 parties you referred to have less than half the seats. They are not stopping PBP/Solidarity/RISE, Greens, Labour, SDs and the independents from forming a coalition with SF.

    No they aren't and nobody has said that.

    Again Rodney, the electorate are not stupid...(if we go into another election campaign FG/FF can refuse to accept this fact at their peril and try the same schemes again) they know that a 'coalition' made up of all those disparate interests will probably not work or survive.

    FF/FG are excluding SF by not even trying to discuss a working coalition.

    Michael Martin is actually straight-up treating the electorate as fools...by stating HE WOULD NOT go into a coalition with FG and is now seeking to do EXACTLY that. Fine Gael pretending loftily that they would go into opposition rather than lower themselves, when everyone knew they would take any bone that allowed them maintain the power swap, if it was thrown to them.

    Sleeveen politics in other words Rodney...it's day is over, they are fooling nobody but apparatchiks that want to be fooled.


  • #1279
    Runaways
    Banned (with Prison Access) Posts: 1,269 ✭✭✭Runaways


    Shefwedfan wrote: »
    He wanted to walk into opposition....after the election it would have been the best move for FG

    Then Mary Lou opened her mouth and everything fell around SF, remember she hasnt managed to get a single party to join her

    Now the option is,

    1. stand back and let the country fall apart and get the blame.

    2. Stand up and help the country, while some idiots will snipe from the sidelines....


    3. Stand up and help the country, while sitting down with opposition parties to work out best way forward. All the while knowing if you make the arrangment you are losing your job


    Im no fan of Leo, but in reality he has done option 3.

    What exactly have Mary Lou and SF done in this process? she off fixing peoples tv licenses?

    There is the problem though Shef. Leo spearheaded a sniping campaign against SF rather than telling the electorate what FG have achieved (ehhhh) and what more there is they can do.
    Nope. Spent the whole time rattling about FGs biggest threat.
    It backfired wildly. I’d thought at the time this is very intentional. Nobody in their right mind would want to be Taoiseach in the incoming disaster and he had far more info available to him than any other party leader about what was coming.

    But here we are.


  • #1280
    Runaways
    Banned (with Prison Access) Posts: 1,269 ✭✭✭Runaways


    [Deleted User] wrote: »
    SF walked away in NI and are keeping their heads down here too. It's what they do, it's their stock response when reality intervenes on their "easy options" politics.

    You’re in la la land.

    They’ve been on every radio and tv spot we have the past month.

    And you bring up a good point.

    FG insist SF must tak uo their responsibility and govern in NI

    FG also insist SF aren’t fit to govern here


    How do you square that circle?

    You can’t.

    It’s Fine Gael running scared and talking out of their hoops. and we can all see it.

    The entire country can see it. It too will backfire.


  • #1281
    Jinglejangle69
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 8,166 ✭✭✭Jinglejangle69


    Runaways wrote: »
    You’re in la la land.

    They’ve been on every radio and tv spot we have the past month.

    And you bring up a good point.

    FG insist SF must tak uo their responsibility and govern in NI

    FG also insist SF aren’t fit to govern here


    How do you square that circle?

    You can’t.

    It’s Fine Gael running scared and talking out of their hoops. and we can all see it.

    The entire country can see it. It too will backfire.

    Well yes they have been voted in up in NI so they should govern like they have been mandated too.

    Down here they aren't in power but there is nothing stopping them forming a left wing government.

    If they manage to do that they have every right and obligation to govern down here.

    Just like they do up the north but have ran away from for 3 years.

    They are a disgraceful excuse of "Democratic" political party.


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  • #1282
    Rodney Bathgate
    Closed Accounts Posts: 3,445 ✭✭✭Rodney Bathgate


    FrancieBrady wrote: »
    No they aren't and nobody has said that.

    Again Rodney, the electorate are not stupid...(if we go into another election campaign FG/FF can refuse to accept this fact at their peril and try the same schemes again) they know that a 'coalition' made up of all those disparate interests will probably not work or survive.

    FF/FG are excluding SF by not even trying to discuss a working coalition.

    Michael Martin is actually straight-up treating the electorate as fools...by stating HE WOULD NOT go into a coalition with FG and is now seeking to do EXACTLY that. Fine Gael pretending loftily that they would go into opposition rather than lower themselves, when everyone knew they would take any bone that allowed them maintain the power swap, if it was thrown to them.

    Sleeveen politics in other words Rodney...it's day is over, they are fooling nobody but apparatchiks that want to be fooled.

    I don’t understand why you are so focused on FF and FG when they account for less than half the seats.


  • #1283
    Rodney Bathgate
    Closed Accounts Posts: 3,445 ✭✭✭Rodney Bathgate


    Jinglejangle69 wrote: »
    Well yes they have been voted in up in NI so they should govern like they have been mandated too.

    Down they aren't in power but there is nothing stopping them forming a left wing government.

    If they manage to do that they have every right and obligation to govern down here.

    Just like they do up the north but have ran away from for 3 years.

    They are a disgraceful excuse of "Democratic" political party.

    NI power sharing is not the same as a coalition. Strange that anyone would try to compare the two.


  • #1284
    Jinglejangle69
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 8,166 ✭✭✭Jinglejangle69


    Rodney Bathgate wrote: »
    NI power sharing is not the same as a coalition. Strange that anyone would try to compare the two.

    What is the actual point of SF up the North if they have no power to govern or do anything as we're told????

    What do they actually do??


  • #1285
    [Deleted User]
    Posts: 6,246 ✭✭✭ [Deleted User]


    Seems obvious to me,the whole discussion is pointless here,no stable government is going to be formed after greens decided they arent going to be made dopes of by ff/fg


    Anyone thinking a solid government can be formed,is completly and utterly deluded and lacks basic math skills,

    i severly doubt varadkar/martin/MLMD are doing anything politically as regards this and have turned their attention to an likely autemn snap election....its a failure of leadership to not plan for obvious future events


  • #1286
    Jinglejangle69
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 8,166 ✭✭✭Jinglejangle69


    [Deleted User] wrote: »
    Google dhondt goverence

    Dunno why anyone in south complain,it was voted into existamce through the gfa

    The sdlp and uup also have seats/power in said government afaik
    Yeah what a waste of time that's turning out to be.

    Once they still get their wage that's all they care about.


  • #1287
    [Deleted User]
    Posts: 6,246 ✭✭✭ [Deleted User]


    Jinglejangle69 wrote: »
    Yeah what a waste of time that's turning out to be.

    Indeed when all.this corona sh1te is over...its time to push for reunification here....theres no sense having english/unionist letting the cv-19 run riot on our island


  • #1288
    HerrKuehn
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 2,066 ✭✭✭HerrKuehn


    whoever ends up in government after this will have to make a lot of difficult and unpopular decisions.


  • #1289
    Mango Joe
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 1,178 ✭✭✭Mango Joe


    The useless Shinners will be seen nowhere in a crisis, sure what can they offer except lies, exaggerated nonsense claims and their own particularly ignorant brand of foul hot air.

    They'll be back for the triumphalism at the end of the Coronavius crisis claiming they bate the kneecaps of anyone that didn't self-isolate and lying through their teeth to anyone thick enough to turn an ear......


  • #1290
    FrancieBrady
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 74,075 ✭✭✭✭FrancieBrady


    Rodney Bathgate wrote: »
    I don’t understand why you are so focused on FF and FG when they account for less than half the seats.

    I am not particularly focussed on them at all. I predicted they would try to do this long before the crisis. Pretend to be taking the high moral ground but really trying to manipulate things so that they could continue the power swap.

    It was all going swimingly until The Greens with an actual conscience (if not survival instincts) tied a willing Eamon Ryan's hands so that he can't jump into a comfy seat again, to see out his career.

    I am just, like everyone else, responding to posts.


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  • #1291
    FrancieBrady
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 74,075 ✭✭✭✭FrancieBrady


    Mango Joe wrote: »
    exaggerated nonsense claims.

    OOP's ---- Freudian slip? :D


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