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Is it just me or have SF vanished?

Pkiernan

I haven't seen or heard anything from Mary Lou, Slab Murphy and other good Republicans in ages.

What's going on?

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Rodney Bathgate

FrancieBrady wrote: »

Again, this is just complete bollixs that the challenged might swallow, anyone with any knowledge of how it works won't be swallowing that one either.

The duty is on the caretaker government to respond, FG had no choices here.

The two parties excluding others from government are FF and FG, you cannot dress it up any other way.

As a SF member you can be excused for not understanding how democracy works, but down here we let parties decide whether they join a coalition to form a government or not. Any party can choose to join, or not join.

FF and FG have less than half the seats, so there is nothing stopping SF forming a government if as you say FF and FG are the only parties preventing it.

#MaryLooForTaoiseach

[Deleted User]

FrancieBrady wrote: »

Again, this is just complete bollixs that the challenged might swallow, anyone with any knowledge of how it works won't be swallowing that one either.

The duty is on the caretaker government to respond, FG had no choices here.

The two parties excluding others from government are FF and FG, you cannot dress it up any other way.

SF walked away in NI and are keeping their heads down here too. It's what they do, it's their stock response when reality intervenes on their "easy options" politics.

FrancieBrady

Deleted User wrote: »

Big difference, of course, is when the crisis arrived, he stepped up, SF walked out.

As SF always do.

Again, this is just complete bollixs that the challenged might swallow, anyone with any knowledge of how it works won't be swallowing that one either.

The duty is on the caretaker government to respond, FG had no choices here.

The two parties excluding others from government are FF and FG, you cannot dress it up any other way.

Rodney Bathgate

Shame of FG for not standing aside and letting Mary Lou and her grand coalition of the left take power.

[Deleted User]

Runaways wrote: »

We’ll never know. Only a few weeks ago Leo wanted to walk away into opposition.
Cute hoor he is, saw hls chance to do his bathroom hand dryer impression with a prepared speech cos all the lemmings would eat it up. And they did. and no we’re stuck with him until we aren’t.

Big difference, of course, is when the crisis arrived, he stepped up, SF walked out.

As SF always do.

FrancieBrady

Shefwedfan wrote: »

He wanted to walk into opposition....after the election it would have been the best move for FG

Then Mary Lou opened her mouth and everything fell around SF, remember she hasnt managed to get a single party to join her

Now the option is,

1. stand back and let the country fall apart and get the blame.

2. Stand up and help the country, while some idiots will snipe from the sidelines....

3. Stand up and help the country, while sitting down with opposition parties to work out best way forward. All the while knowing if you make the arrangment you are losing your job

Im no fan of Leo, but in reality he has done option 3.

What exactly have Mary Lou and SF done in this process? she off fixing peoples tv licenses?

Fine Gael tried this 'sniping' nonsense before the election the Irish voter was not interested. They have more sense. Any idiot can portray the job of opposition as 'sniping from the sidelines'.

It's one of the more ridiculous ones tbh.

[Deleted User]

Breaking news. SF are in advanced talks with FF. Stumbling block is positions of Taoiseach and Tainiste.

FrancieBrady

Runaways wrote: »

Wow. Even Irish central going for him

Leo Varadkar and Fine Gael are using COVID-19 to cling to power

https://www.irishcentral.com/news/politics/leo-varadkar-fine-gael-covid19.amp?__twitter_impression=true

About time he and FG were called out on it, they aren't exactly being subtle about it.

Rows Grower

Runaways wrote: »

Wow. Even Irish central going for him

Leo Varadkar and Fine Gael are using COVID-19 to cling to power

https://www.irishcentral.com/news/politics/leo-varadkar-fine-gael-covid19.amp?__twitter_impression=true

Very insightful article, thanks for sharing.

Shefwedfan

Runaways wrote: »

We’ll never know. Only a few weeks ago Leo wanted to walk away into opposition.
Cute hoor he is, saw hls chance to do his bathroom hand dryer impression with a prepared speech cos all the lemmings would eat it up. And they did. and no we’re stuck with him until we aren’t.

He wanted to walk into opposition....after the election it would have been the best move for FG

Then Mary Lou opened her mouth and everything fell around SF, remember she hasnt managed to get a single party to join her

Now the option is,

1. stand back and let the country fall apart and get the blame.

2. Stand up and help the country, while some idiots will snipe from the sidelines....

3. Stand up and help the country, while sitting down with opposition parties to work out best way forward. All the while knowing if you make the arrangment you are losing your job

Im no fan of Leo, but in reality he has done option 3.

What exactly have Mary Lou and SF done in this process? she off fixing peoples tv licenses?

hmmm

Runaways wrote: »

We’ll never know. Only a few weeks ago Leo wanted to walk away into opposition.
Cute hoor he is, saw hls chance to do his bathroom hand dryer impression with a prepared speech cos all the lemmings would eat it up. And they did. and no we’re stuck with him until we aren’t.

He's the Taoiseach of the country during a 100 year pandemic, do you expect him to say nothing to the country?

SF, FF could be in government tomorrow if they wanted and could be bothered trying. FG have said they are happy to step down and go into opposition.

Rodney Bathgate

Shefwedfan wrote: »

Twitter is my leaders choice? Who is my leader?

#NotMyLeader

Runaways

hmmm wrote: »

SF, FF and all the rest have the numbers to form a government tomorrow. Would you suggest that FG walk away and leave the country leaderless while SF struggle to get their s**t together?

We’ll never know. Only a few weeks ago Leo wanted to walk away into opposition.
Cute hoor he is, saw hls chance to do his bathroom hand dryer impression with a prepared speech cos all the lemmings would eat it up. And they did. and no we’re stuck with him until we aren’t.

hmmm

Runaways wrote: »

Leo Varadkar and Fine Gael are using COVID-19 to cling to power

SF, FF and all the rest have the numbers to form a government tomorrow. Would you suggest that FG walk away and leave the country leaderless while SF struggle to get their s**t together?

Runaways

Wow. Even Irish central going for him

Leo Varadkar and Fine Gael are using COVID-19 to cling to power

https://www.irishcentral.com/news/politics/leo-varadkar-fine-gael-covid19.amp?__twitter_impression=true

Shefwedfan

FrancieBrady wrote: »

Loads of people crossing from further south to shop mainly, and no where near the same safeguards and restrictions in the north. Practically life as normal in Lisnaskea today.

You can’t stop people been stupid. I heard the first weekend after lockdown people actually went from Dublin to north to go to the pub

‘Skea hardly the busy metropolis, hardly 10 people in it at the best of times :-)

Nitrogan

Runaways wrote: »

We’re staging photos now

That's how photos are usually taken unless you're some pervert or a spy or just like taking blurred photos of the back of people's heads. :rolleyes:

Shefwedfan

Runaways wrote: »

It’s also where news gets posted which you seem fit to call waffle and when shown to you and given a link of the Garda actually saying what he said you breeze on to your next deflect hoping nobody will notice.

Ps I’ll say it again. Twitter is your leaders platform of choice to communicate.

What does that say to you and all of us of the regard he holds us in? By your own logic, it’s not very high regard at all.

Twitter is my leaders choice? Who is my leader?

FrancieBrady

Shefwedfan wrote: »

Why what’s the problem on the border?

Loads of people crossing from further south to shop mainly, and no where near the same safeguards and restrictions in the north. Practically life as normal in Lisnaskea today.

Runaways

Shefwedfan wrote: »

You don’t seem to understand what Twitter is for?

It’s exactly the place for mindless dribble like the RTÉ article

It’s also where news gets posted which you seem fit to call waffle and when shown to you and given a link of the Garda actually saying what he said you breeze on to your next deflect hoping nobody will notice.

Ps I’ll say it again. Twitter is your leaders platform of choice to communicate.

What does that say to you and all of us of the regard he holds us in? By your own logic, it’s not very high regard at all.

Shefwedfan

FrancieBrady wrote: »

Who ever dragged the DUP to sign the joint agreement today should be congratulated. It has been ridiculous here on the border for the last few weeks.

Why what’s the problem on the border?

Shefwedfan

Runaways wrote: »

We’re staging photos now and getting RTÉ to write fluff pieces to show the human that’s really inside the cold lifeless exterior of the hand dryer impersonator

Someone actually had to write this piece

You don’t seem to understand what Twitter is for?

It’s exactly the place for mindless dribble like the RTÉ article

FrancieBrady

Who ever dragged the DUP to sign the joint agreement today should be congratulated. It has been ridiculous here on the border for the last few weeks.

Runaways

We’re staging photos now and getting RTÉ to write fluff pieces to show the human that’s really inside the cold lifeless exterior of the hand dryer impersonator

Someone actually had to write this piece

https://twitter.com/rtenews/status/1245036277512142852?s=21

[Deleted User]

TheCitizen wrote: »

I haven't a clue mate, I'm not a Revenue commissioner :pac:

A modest increase but tiered incrementally the higher up the ladder it goes I'd suggest. They've imposed levys on people's earnings before, isn't there a levy because of Sean Quinn's insurance company going bust? A levy for Slainte Care, but get everyone to buy into it including the health service staff before you attempt to bring it in could work. Still need the political will though.

Interesting proposal, the only problem is no left wing party will support it so no right wing party can propose it.

We have a left wing party who oppose property taxes ffs.

CtevenSrowder

TheCitizen wrote: »

Yeah. So impose a Slainte Care levy and then implement the health service reforms, get everyone to buy into it and do it. Easier said than done but could be done if the political will was there. With FG remaining in government though it doesn't fill me with confidence. FG after all made an absolute mess of trying to bring in water charges for example.

Personally I wasn't against the idea of water charges but they tried to impose it in a hamfisted way and ended up with water meters installed outside thousands of houses that never were operative. A complete and utter waste of money. Can FG be trusted to implement an ambitious scheme like Slainte Care and get everyone to buy into it? I doubt it and Micheál Martin said the similar things re FG pre election but he changed tack when the results were finalised.

If they try and increase taxes on the lower earners it will be the likes of Sinn Feon that will have the knives out, and will bang on about having the rich pay for it. I'd trust FG more than any of the other parties, though trusting any of them with such a big project is difficult.

Other than that, I mostly agree with the rest of your post.

TheCitizen

Deleted User wrote: »

What would you see as a fair tax increase so?

I'm proud to be at the very beginning of your middle-aged drift to the right.

I haven't a clue mate, I'm not a Revenue commissioner :pac:

A modest increase but tiered incrementally the higher up the ladder it goes I'd suggest. They've imposed levys on people's earnings before, isn't there a levy because of Sean Quinn's insurance company going bust? A levy for Slainte Care, but get everyone to buy into it including the health service staff before you attempt to bring it in could work. Still need the political will though.

Shefwedfan

TheCitizen wrote: »

Well actually that is just what I suggested, have a read of that post you quoted again.

I apologize, missed that

TheCitizen

CtevenSrowder wrote: »

Those that have more already chip in more... That's what a progressive tax system is.

Yeah. So impose a Slainte Care levy and then implement the health service reforms, get everyone to buy into it and do it. Easier said than done but could be done if the political will was there. With FG remaining in government though it doesn't fill me with confidence. FG after all made an absolute mess of trying to bring in water charges for example.

Personally I wasn't against the idea of water charges but they tried to impose it in a hamfisted way and ended up with water meters installed outside thousands of houses that never were operative. A complete and utter waste of money. Can FG be trusted to implement an ambitious scheme like Slainte Care and get everyone to buy into it? I doubt it and Micheál Martin said the similar things re FG pre election but he changed tack when the results were finalised.

[Deleted User]

TheCitizen wrote: »

No is the answer. But as I said in the other post if something like Slainte Care was to be implemented properly it would benefit everyone and something like that everyone could be asked to buy into and chip in. Again those who have more would be asked to chip in more.

What would you see as a fair tax increase so?

I'm proud to be at the very beginning of your middle-aged drift to the right.