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CoVid19 Part XII - 4,604 in ROI (137 deaths) 998 in NI (56 deaths)(04/04) **Read OP**

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  • #4232
    [Deleted User]
    Posts: 5,121 ✭✭✭ [Deleted User]


    Rob A. Bank wrote: »
    Still trying to justify the ridiculous decision not to screen arrivals into the country ? :rolleyes:

    Practically everyone in Ireland is doing their best to mitigate the spread of this rotten virus. It is crazy that the government is allowing potential spreaders into the country without screening.

    There should be a quarantine hotel in Dublin airport where the guests stay for 14 days at their own expense, before release into the country. Other countries do the same and I am sure the hotels would value the trade.

    Who is going to travel to Ireland, except for a very few remaining Irish citizens / residents? Who will then do their bit to help mitigate spread in just the same way as those already here. Or do you think that all new arrivals are going to spend 14 days running around the place spitting at people?


  • #4233
    IspeakcozIcan
    Closed Accounts Posts: 159 ✭✭IspeakcozIcan


    weldoninhio wrote: »
    There was a TD on Twitter this morning (Jennifer Whitmore SD Wicklow) boasting about how she was tested, hadn't gotten any result yet, but 14 days were up do she was out and about with her kids.

    Well yes that's in line with the guidance.

    In the UK, they advise a 7 day self-isolation period even if you test positive. Big difference there. I haven't seen this difference explained anywhere.


  • #4234
    JaimeLannister
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 135 ✭✭JaimeLannister


    Very good info in that HSE report. Anyone know if they publish it daily?


  • #4235
    Bob24
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 10,886 ✭✭✭✭Bob24


    FVP3 wrote: »
    Another enemy of the west fiddling with the numbers. It's crazy how the enemies of the US in particular are so bad with their stats. This has particularly ramped up since the US took the leadership in world cases.

    Geopolitics are not a consideration here.

    Iran is the country where the deputy health minister said on TV that everything was under control while looking clearly sick and being infected with the virus. Where several key governments figures died from it. Where there were riots because of it. Etc.

    Suspicions about their figures were raised *way* before the US came into the spotlight and there is absolutely not relationship between the 2 things.

    All countries have some level of voluntary or involuntary issues with their figures, but for me Iran is in the top league in terms of fiddling with them.


  • #4236
    is_that_so
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 32,132 ✭✭✭✭is_that_so


    weldoninhio wrote: »
    There was a TD on Twitter this morning (Jennifer Whitmore SD Wicklow) boasting about how she was tested, hadn't gotten any result yet, but 14 days were up do she was out and about with her kids.
    Those are the guidelines and she's not doing anything wrong.


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  • #4237
    weldoninhio
    Closed Accounts Posts: 14,311 ✭✭✭✭weldoninhio


    IspeakcozIcan wrote: »
    Well yes that's in line with the guidance.

    In the UK, they advise a 7 day self-isolation period even if you test positive. Big difference there. I haven't seen this difference explained anywhere.

    Then how come the HSE won't let my doctor back to work, 3 weeks after she was tested, because she hasn't got her result yet??


  • #4238
    Quantum Erasure
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 10,442 ✭✭✭✭Quantum Erasure


    ChikiChiki wrote: »
    I have to agree with this. My best friend has been having breathing difficulties and was only tested yesterday having been waiting a full week.

    Then he was told yesterday it could be 2 weeks to get the results. As he said himself, he could be dead within that time-frame if things deteriorate as he waits it out.
    .

    The test has nothing to do with treatment, if things deteriorate he should call his GP,


  • #4239
    Kivaro
    Closed Accounts Posts: 4,105 ✭✭✭Kivaro


    is_that_so wrote: »
    Experts are like the virus, the number that will ultimately emerge from this is unknown but growing rapidly!
    China's skewing of the numbers at an early stage has caused untold damage to the rest of the world.


  • #4240
    RebelButtMunch
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 2,477 ✭✭✭RebelButtMunch


    ChikiChiki wrote: »
    But the way the message is conveyed, you need the positive test to get to the ventilator.

    I doubt if you need a ventilator, they'll wait until a positive test is confirmed.


  • #4241
    tobefrank321
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 4,621 ✭✭✭tobefrank321


    Wombatman wrote: »
    Riddle me this one.

    Over the last 5 days we have had 302,294,200,295 and 325 confirmed cases. Averages to about 300 cases a day.

    If the positivity rate is 15% then 300 must be 15% of the number of completed tests over the same period, right. This would require a testing capacity of 2000 completions per day.

    They have stated they can only complete 1500 a day due to equipment shortfall, so how are these numbers possible?

    I'm not getting this from anywhere else. It's just simple math, my level.

    Would you agree that if we had the capacity to test more we would be seeing more confirmed cases? I would suggest the answer has to be yes.

    We won't get big confirmed case numbers because we can't. It has been suggested that we are flattening the curve. I would suggest the reason for this is we have reached a ceiling of confirmed cases, around 300, due to the lab test bottleneck.

    Its easy to swab someone. Hell we could swab 100,000 people a day no problem.

    Its analysing the results where the bottle neck is.

    So when the government say we plan to do 5000 tests a day, its great PR which is swallowed by the FG base who at this stage are starting to resemble the Trump base in America.

    They need to be more specific and say we plan to process 5000 swabs a day in the labs. Or just be transparent in general.


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  • #4242
    0gac3yjefb5sv7
    Closed Accounts Posts: 3,945 ✭✭✭0gac3yjefb5sv7


    Thinking of an expected timeline:

    Cases to peak in the next 2 weeks by 15 April.
    Restrictions lifted on travel on May 1st back to what we had before last Friday.
    Cases start to reduce until a manageable level around 20th of May.
    Schools go back early June & Shops reopen.
    Everyone who can work from home continues to do so.
    Pubs reopen mid/late June with a rule that they can only let 50% of capacity in


  • #4243
    1641
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 1,342 ✭✭✭1641


    josip wrote: »
    My original 3 word post was to help explain the pun 5 posts back up, not related to the analysis of the HSE numbers.
    I understand your point, but in your reply you're taking a mathematical term (mean) and choosing to compare it to a Ballywherever usage of the term average.

    In mathematics, the average is the arithmetic mean.


    Sorry, I missed your original post.


    The mean, median and mode are measures of "the average" used in statistics:


    Mean, median, and mode are three kinds of "averages". There are many "averages" in statistics, but these are, I think, the three most common, and are certainly the three you are most likely to encounter in your pre-statistics courses, if the topic comes up at all.

    https://www.purplemath.com/modules/meanmode.htm


  • #4244
    DevilsHaircut
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 524 ✭✭✭DevilsHaircut


    ChikiChiki wrote: »
    I have to agree with this. My best friend has been having breathing difficulties and was only tested yesterday having been waiting a full week.

    Then he was told yesterday it could be 2 weeks to get the results. As he said himself, he could be dead within that time-frame if things deteriorate as he waits it out.

    People in positions of influence seem to be jumping the queue.

    The test is not the treatment (as Tony Holohan, Colm Henry etc. are blue in the face explaining).

    The severity of your friend's symptoms would dictate whether he needs hospitalisation (regardless of his Covid 19 test result).


  • #4245
    Loafing Oaf
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 18,783 ✭✭✭✭Loafing Oaf


    Pheonix10 wrote: »
    Thinking of an expected timeline:

    Cases to peak in the next 2 weeks by 15 April.
    Restrictions lifted on travel on May 1st back to what we had before last Friday.
    Cases start to reduce until a manageable level around 20th of May.
    Schools go back early June & Shops reopen.
    Everyone who can work from home continues to do so.
    Pubs reopen mid/late June with a rule that they can only let 50% of capacity in

    Dream on...


  • #4246
    tobefrank321
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 4,621 ✭✭✭tobefrank321


    Deleted User wrote: »
    Who is going to travel to Ireland, except for a very few remaining Irish citizens / residents? Who will then do their bit to help mitigate spread in just the same way as those already here. Or do you think that all new arrivals are going to spend 14 days running around the place spitting at people?

    Lockdown should mean lockdown. It makes no sense to restrict travel within a country but allow people come in from hotspots like London and Paris unrestricted. That's not a lockdown. You are talking of a couple hundred people travelling in who are potentially going to cause a problem with new cases for the remaining 4.7 million. Really makes no sense.


  • #4247
    0gac3yjefb5sv7
    Closed Accounts Posts: 3,945 ✭✭✭0gac3yjefb5sv7


    Loafing Oaf wrote: »
    Dream on...

    LOL this is quite conservative too.

    What do you think doomsday is it?


  • #4248
    Loafing Oaf
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 18,783 ✭✭✭✭Loafing Oaf


    tobefrank321 wrote: »
    Lockdown should mean lockdown. It makes no sense to restrict travel within a country but allow people come in from hotspots like London and Paris unrestricted. That's not a lockdown. You are talking of a couple hundred people travelling in who are potentially going to cause a problem with new cases for the remaining 4.7 million. Really makes no sense.

    Big problem is our back door in the north. Would it be possible to restrict travel between there and 'mainland Britain'?


  • #4249
    murpho999
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 28,929 ✭✭✭✭murpho999


    owlbethere wrote: »
    I find this sad an ironic. If they stopped flights from the hotspot/s at the end of February and implemented other measures, we would be in a better position. Half the workforce probably wouldn't be shut down right now. Now, aviation has come to a halt along with a sizable portion of the countries workforce.

    I really don't think it would have.

    Let's take Italy as an example.

    If Irish skiers (which I think is where a lot of infections here have come from) in Italy were denied flights home they would have traveled him via another route, such as Austria, France or Switzerland. They would not have simply stayed in Italy.

    These people probably went to Italy, caught the virus, and came home before even the first death in Italy.

    Trumps stopped European flights with little impact.

    The virus was already in the community here before any concerns about Italy or Spain were apparant.


  • #4250
    PixelTrawler
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 2,285 ✭✭✭PixelTrawler


    Pheonix10 wrote: »
    Thinking of an expected timeline:

    Cases to peak in the next 2 weeks by 15 April.
    Restrictions lifted on travel on May 1st back to what we had before last Friday.
    Cases start to reduce until a manageable level around 20th of May.
    Schools go back early June & Shops reopen.
    Everyone who can work from home continues to do so.
    Pubs reopen mid/late June with a rule that they can only let 50% of capacity in

    The creche bailout runs for 3 months from today. I’d be amazed if the creche’s reopen before July 1st. Would be great as we’ve two home full time now. But just can’t see it.


  • #4251
    Away With The Fairies
    Banned (with Prison Access) Posts: 4,077 ✭✭✭Away With The Fairies


    weldoninhio wrote: »
    There was a TD on Twitter this morning (Jennifer Whitmore SD Wicklow) boasting about how she was tested, hadn't gotten any result yet, but 14 days were up do she was out and about with her kids.

    Just the ignorance. This is why it's spreading.

    What if one of her kids picked it up and not showed signs, and they're going about the place as if everything is fine. They should introduce fines for all the ignorance.


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  • #4252
    Away With The Fairies
    Banned (with Prison Access) Posts: 4,077 ✭✭✭Away With The Fairies


    weldoninhio wrote: »
    There was a TD on Twitter this morning (Jennifer Whitmore SD Wicklow) boasting about how she was tested, hadn't gotten any result yet, but 14 days were up do she was out and about with her kids.

    Just the ignorance. This is why it's spreading.

    What if one of her kids picked it up and not showed signs, and they're going about the place as if everything is fine. They should introduce fines for all the ignorance.


  • #4253
    gabeeg
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 1,591 ✭✭✭gabeeg


    Pheonix10 wrote: »
    Thinking of an expected timeline:

    Cases to peak in the next 2 weeks by 15 April.
    Restrictions lifted on travel on May 1st back to what we had before last Friday.
    Cases start to reduce until a manageable level around 20th of May.
    Schools go back early June & Shops reopen.
    Everyone who can work from home continues to do so.
    Pubs reopen mid/late June with a rule that they can only let 50% of capacity in

    Sorry, but our testing has been so limited that it's very difficult to get a good picture of where we are with this crisis and when we'll see a peak and subsequent reduction.

    When they eventually crank it up to an acceptable level we'll start to get an idea of how we're doing, and then we can start to speculate about getting back to normal.

    Right now there's not a single person in the country with a clear picture of how this will pan out.


  • #4254
    Yurt2
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 9,381 ✭✭✭Yurt2


    weldoninhio wrote: »
    There was a TD on Twitter this morning (Jennifer Whitmore SD Wicklow) boasting about how she was tested, hadn't gotten any result yet, but 14 days were up do she was out and about with her kids.

    This post wouldn't have anything to do with the political party she is a member of would it?

    No, ridiculous, absolutely not. You're a level headed guy that wouldn't seek to do such a thing.


  • #4255
    All that fandango
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 331 ✭✭All that fandango


    Just a quick question hoping its ok to post in this thread. My usual prescription ran out a few days ago. If it was any other time I would go to the docs to get another script written out for it for another 6 months. I need this medication again by Friday. Do I still have to go to the doctors just to get him to write me a new script or can I just ask the pharmacy for the medication over the counter so I dont have to go to the doctors and risk catching? (Its the contaceptive pill btw Ive been on it for years so the pharmacy staff know me). Thanks.


  • #4256
    tobefrank321
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 4,621 ✭✭✭tobefrank321


    Loafing Oaf wrote: »
    Big problem is our back door in the north. Would it be possible to restrict travel between there and 'mainland Britain'?

    Foster and the DUP need to be convinced of this. I think connectivity is limited enough at the moment from NI to the mainland. An airline went out of business recently and other airlines have grounded flights. Its a problem alright. We can't really control north-south travel too much. We can control who comes in on flights though and where they go. We're an island after all or so we've been told.


  • #4257
    Rob A. Bank
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 1,842 ✭✭✭Rob A. Bank


    pH wrote: »

    The US does not have a centralised health system controlled by a government department that reports to the president. It's a complex system of private and state bodies with some federal oversight (FDA etc.)

    So without 'grabbing' any power or doing anything you would consider authoritarian, what exactly should Trump have done and when?

    In 2018, the Trump administration fired the government’s entire pandemic response chain of command, including the White House management infrastructure. This was part of his lunatic effort to get rid of anything Obama had started.

    Read the fourth and fifth paragraph here :- https://foreignpolicy.com/2020/01/31/coronavirus-china-trump-united-states-public-health-emergency-response/

    And BTW I Trump is evil incarnate.


  • #4258
    Ger Roe
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 2,225 ✭✭✭Ger Roe


    ITman88 wrote: »
    A positive test won’t save his life, a ventilator will.
    Everyone has been told if you have symptoms isolate, a positive test will make very little difference

    To the individual yes, a test makes very little difference (would be good to know if you have had it and are now recovered, or are still at risk). But, tests were being done for public health reasons, to protect society - they are the trigger for contact tracing. If tests are not confirmed, tracing is not effective and we loose vital data on who where and how many are infected.

    Having now reached this point, the only critical stats at this moment are ICU bed capacity and deaths.

    The ship has sailed in terms of trying to estimate the total infection rate, because we do not have the trigger info (confirmed test) to commence the tracing process.

    Is it time to tell those who are awaiting tests and are assuming they have it (as per instruction) to undertake contact tracing themselves and let people within their circle know? Up to now, that was not advised on the chance that the person awaiting the test was negative - can we still support that approach if we are now testing far less and finding more positive cases?


  • #4259
    iamwhoiam
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 16,409 ✭✭✭✭iamwhoiam


    All that fandango wrote: »
    Just a quick question hoping its ok to post in this thread. My usual prescription ran out a few days ago. If it was any other time I would go to the docs to get another script written out for it for another 6 months. I need this medication again by Friday. Do I still have to go to the doctors just to get him to write me a new script or can I just ask the pharmacy for the medication over the counter so I dont have to go to the doctors and risk catching? (Its the contaceptive pill btw Ive been on it for years so the pharmacy staff know me). Thanks.

    Ring the GP ., they will write the prescription and hand it to you at the door .Or they can mail it to the chemist and you pick it up there


  • #4260
    ricero
    Closed Accounts Posts: 11,348 ✭✭✭✭ricero


    We are simply are not testing enough in this country.

    Agressive testing should be a priority in preventing more deaths.


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  • #4261
    wakka12
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 9,786 ✭✭✭wakka12


    So obviously there were many tens of thousands of cases in America a while before any of these tests confirmed that, the tests just putting a vague numeric estimate on it. And deaths have now gone from about 100 deaths two weeks ago to over 4000. So with such a volume of cases clearly existing before two weeks ago, does this mean there were also a lot of people dying of coronavirus in the US before two weeks ago too? How could that have been missed, dont they do tests/autopsies on people who die of infectious diseases?


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