CoVid19 Part XII - 4,604 in ROI (137 deaths) 998 in NI (56 deaths)(04/04) Read OP

paw patrol · 01-04-2020 09:25AM

sydthebeat wrote: »

You've already said the public would have trouble understanding the median... So now you want to give them the mean AND the median

i'll give you that , a quality dig:D

reporting both will ensure we have full info but also the people who don't understand it will know that median isn't average.

Funsterdelux · 01-04-2020 09:26AM

I think anyone entering the country should have their temp taken, questions about their movements the previous few days before arriving, 2 weeks quarrantine and they should have to take the leaving cert, 6 subjects, irish english maths complusary

owlbethere · 01-04-2020 09:26AM

murpho999 wrote: »

There's hardly anybody travelling. You make it sound like thousands of Italians from Lombardy are boarding flights to Dublin and then running rampage.

There's hardly any aviation activity now.

21 flights scheduled to land in Dublin today and none from the "hotspots".

Dublin Arrivals today

Also, temperature check that is not really effective as most people will not have a temperature or any symptoms.

I find this sad an ironic. If they stopped flights from the hotspot/s at the end of February and implemented other measures, we would be in a better position. Half the workforce probably wouldn't be shut down right now. Now, aviation has come to a halt along with a sizable portion of the countries workforce.

RentDayBlues · 01-04-2020 09:27AM

BruteStock wrote: »

Is there a thread that relates directly to college exams and that type of thing? Somebody told me that this years students will be given marks regardless of whether they earned them or not due to the situation being beyond their control.
It could lead to a lot of repeat years if this goes on till Sept which some are predicting will happen.

And was this a reliable source???

Colleges are putting other grading systems in place - online, coursework etc

Professor Moriarty · 01-04-2020 09:27AM

paw patrol wrote: »

i'll give you that , a quality dig:D

reporting both will ensure we have full info but also the people who don't understand it will know that median isn't average.

Don't be so mean.

Bob24 · 01-04-2020 09:28AM

is_that_so wrote: »

It's more of an example of please listen to us and do what you should be doing in all of these areas. Calling him a wonderful guy in language he understands is how you try to keep him on point.

Which as I said is more of a political statement than than a statement reflecting medical expertise.

Everybody can see that from a medical perspective it is a nonsense to say he’s been doing a great job at handling the situation.

And to be clear I’m not saying the WHO don’t know what they are doing. Just reiterating that political considerations are intentionally built-in what they say and thus any of their statements/recommendations should not be taken as a raw medical opinion as some have been doing.

Talisman · 01-04-2020 09:28AM

igCorcaigh wrote: »

Prof is right in this case, median would tend to the higher age group. It's a good measure.

I wasn't replying to Prof.

And median is the correct measure.

wadacrack · 01-04-2020 09:29AM

https://twitter.com/FergalBowers/status/1245272347101343745

FVP3 · 01-04-2020 09:29AM

Bob24 wrote: »

The question isn't whether they are fiddling with the numbers, it is more to which extend are they fiddling with the numbers.

Another enemy of the west fiddling with the numbers. It's crazy how the enemies of the US in particular are so bad with their stats. This has particularly ramped up since the US took the leadership in world cases.

Professor Moriarty · 01-04-2020 09:29AM

paw patrol wrote: »

I don't get you?

It's a pun.

harr · 01-04-2020 09:30AM

Was speaking to a nurse this morning who is involved in one of the testing locations and she said it’s a disaster.. little or no testing being carried out , her location only carried 24 tests on Monday and its down to the huge backlogs in the labs .
Thousands probably more walking around spreading this. She told me to take no notice of the official figures as in the reality the amount of people infected is multiples of the official number.

josip · 01-04-2020 09:31AM

mean = average

paw patrol · 01-04-2020 09:31AM

Professor Moriarty wrote: »

It's a pun.

ah!
I got it in the end :eek: but by then deleted post....
sorry!

igCorcaigh · 01-04-2020 09:31AM

citysights wrote: »

Fergal Bowers on RTE reporting on a story where a swab in a nursing home was taken, but the swab wasn’t returned positive or negative and the patient has since died. The person who passed will now be treated as if they were covid positive by the funeral directors with all of the strict funeral arrangements that entails. How is a person covid positive in this circumstance with no test resul returned?

Perhaps the symptoms are well known now, given the patient's history, that it's sufficient? I don't know. Lack of testing will skew the numbers otherwise?

I was looking at the 1918 flu pandemic recently, and the uncertainty about the numbers, thinking it was about historical reasons. They had no PCR kit in those days. But here we are in 2020, and still uncertain.

We will never know.

stretchaq · 01-04-2020 09:32AM

harr wrote: »

Was speaking to a nurse this morning who is involved in one of the testing locations and she said it’s a disaster.. little or no testing being carried out , her location only carried 24 tests on Monday and its down to the huge backlogs in the labs .
Thousands probably more walking around spreading this. She told me to take no notice of the official figures as in the reality the amount of people infected is multiples of the official number.

did she send you a whatsapp aswell

IspeakcozIcan · 01-04-2020 09:32AM

Testing is really descending into a complete mess now. This is terrible. Nursing home resident was tested on 23 March and no results received, subsequently died last night and still don't know whether they were positive or negative.

https://twitter.com/FergalBowers/status/1245272347101343745

BruteStock · 01-04-2020 09:32AM

RentDayBlues wrote: »

And was this a reliable source???

Colleges are putting other grading systems in place - online, coursework etc

If students do exams at home , they can cog it from the internet?

AlmightyCushion · 01-04-2020 09:32AM

citysights wrote: »

Fergal Bowers on RTE reporting on a story where a swab in a nursing home was taken, but the swab wasn’t returned positive or negative and the patient has since died. The person who passed will now be treated as if they were covid positive by the funeral directors with all of the strict funeral arrangements that entails. How is a person covid positive in this circumstance with no test resul returned?

Better to be safe than sorry. Act as if they are positive. Same way people waiting on a test result are told to act as if they have it and self isolate.

FVP3 · 01-04-2020 09:33AM

Kivaro wrote: »

And to add to that, the Mayor of New Orleans was the person who decided that Mardi Gras should be held this year in late February. This was an insane decision, as you are all aware what happens e.g. sharing of drinks, kissing/hugging, and the throwing/sharing of beads.
New Orelans is now an epicenter for Covid-19 in the States.

Guess who she (the Mayor) is blaming now?
Yep, Trump and the Federal Government. But she was the person who allowed it to go ahead ......... while there were reports at the time from all around the world of the carnage it was already causing.

That's one example, by and large the leadership on this has been taken by the Mayors and Governors, and even at country level. Dr. Sara Cody ordered santa clara county to "shelter in place" a month or so ago. Then that spread to all of california, but not until mar 20 ( when the Governor extended it)

Fr_Dougal · 01-04-2020 09:33AM

Rob A. Bank wrote: »

This barchart speaks for itself with regard to Trump's lack of response to the virus.

Think Italy was bad ? An enormous human tragedy is unfolding in the USA.

Trump is an idiot and his response has been abysmal, but I’d like to see that graph scaled, you can’t compare a 300M state to a 60M state.

BanditLuke · 01-04-2020 09:34AM

harr wrote: »

Was speaking to a nurse this morning who is involved in one of the testing locations and she said it’s a disaster.. little or no testing being carried out , her location only carried 24 tests on Monday and its down to the huge backlogs in the labs .
Thousands probably more walking around spreading this. She told me to take no notice of the official figures as in the reality the amount of people infected is multiples of the official number.

What did people expect with the HSE involved? If they expected better then they know nothing about the HSE and how they operate. I'm talking about top tier pen pushers here not front line staff of course.

stockshares · 01-04-2020 09:34AM

citysights wrote: »

Fergal Bowers on RTE reporting on a story where a swab in a nursing home was taken, but the swab wasn’t returned positive or negative and the patient has since died. The person who passed will now be treated as if they were covid positive by the funeral directors with all of the strict funeral arrangements that entails. How is a person covid positive in this circumstance with no test resul returned?

Whether it's recorded as a Covid death isn't as important as not getting the result back in the first place.

If a patient's doctor had been given a result action could have been taken to admit the.patient to hospital.

I would imagine in cases like this that relatives or the Nursing homes themselves will be taking action whenever Covid had been brought under control.

is_that_so · 01-04-2020 09:34AM

BruteStock wrote: »

If students do exams at home , they can cog it from the internet?

There is this from early March but I'd imagine the best thing is to check with relevant institution.

https://www.irishtimes.com/news/ireland/irish-news/coronavirus-universities-plan-online-classes-and-exams-in-case-of-campus-closures-1.4191821

Professor Moriarty · 01-04-2020 09:34AM

AlmightyCushion wrote: »

Better to be safe than sorry. Act as if they are positive. Same way people waiting on a test result are told to act as if they have it and self isolate.

I read some clever advice recently. If you don't want to get infected you should behave as if you are infected and don't want to infect others.

grindle · 01-04-2020 09:37AM

BruteStock wrote: »

If students do exams at home , they can cog it from the internet?

College and University exams are quite different to "memorise-by-rote" secondary school exams, and there's software which checks for plagiarism.

Practical exams and anything that has to be inspected in person is much harder to deal with.

Talisman · 01-04-2020 09:37AM

wadacrack wrote: »

https://twitter.com/FergalBowers/status/1245272347101343745

There are a number of issues with testing - there are health care workers in isolation waiting for tests yet the likes of Ryan Tubridy get test results no problem.

ITman88 · 01-04-2020 09:38AM

harr wrote: »

Was speaking to a nurse this morning who is involved in one of the testing locations and she said it’s a disaster.. little or no testing being carried out , her location only carried 24 tests on Monday and its down to the huge backlogs in the labs .
Thousands probably more walking around spreading this. She told me to take no notice of the official figures as in the reality the amount of people infected is multiples of the official number.

Where are they walking around spreading it?

stockshares · 01-04-2020 09:38AM

BanditLuke wrote: »

What did people expect with the HSE involved? If they expected better then they know nothing about the HSE and how they operate. I'm talking about top tier pen pushers here not front line staff of course.

They have a bad record. Didn't they challenge Ruth Morrissey in Court regarding compensation for her Cervical Check award.

Does anyone know what Tony Holahan's role was in cervical check.

Rob A. Bank · 01-04-2020 09:39AM

murpho999 wrote: »

There's hardly anybody travelling. You make it sound like thousands of Italians from Lombardy are boarding flights to Dublin and then running rampage.

There's hardly any aviation activity now.

21 flights scheduled to land in Dublin today and none from the "hotspots".

Dublin Arrivals today

Also, temperature check that is not really effective as most people will not have a temperature or any symptoms.

Still trying to justify the ridiculous decision not to screen arrivals into the country ? :rolleyes:

Practically everyone in Ireland is doing their best to mitigate the spread of this rotten virus. It is crazy that the government is allowing potential spreaders into the country without screening.

There should be a quarantine hotel in Dublin airport where the guests stay for 14 days at their own expense, before release into the country. Other countries do the same and I am sure the hotels would value the trade.

harr · 01-04-2020 09:39AM

stretchaq wrote: »

did she send you a whatsapp aswell

Yeah 10 of them , why does everything have to be lie or unbelievable to people. While I definitely don’t read or take any notice of social media when a nurse who I know well tells me something I have no reason not to believe her.
To be honest , I don’t care who thinks its nonsense or not .. just passing on the information she gave me.

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CoVid19 Part XII - 4,604 in ROI (137 deaths) 998 in NI (56 deaths)(04/04) Read OP