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CoVid19 Part XII - 4,604 in ROI (137 deaths) 998 in NI (56 deaths)(04/04) **Read OP**

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  • #4172
    Rob A. Bank
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 1,842 ✭✭✭Rob A. Bank


    Doff wrote: »
    Yeah, this virus is all Trumps fault :rolleyes:

    This barchart speaks for itself with regard to Trump's lack of response to the virus.

    Think Italy was bad ? An enormous human tragedy is unfolding in the USA.

    Flattening-the-curve-696x589.jpg


  • #4173
    Funsterdelux
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 3,376 ✭✭✭Funsterdelux


    Doff wrote: »
    https://twitter.com/DrTedros/status/1242230036645785601

    Did Trump write that himself?


  • #4174
    FVP3
    Closed Accounts Posts: 1,187 ✭✭✭FVP3


    pH wrote: »
    Oh wait I think know the answer to this one!

    Is it "Declare ourselves neutral, stay out of everything entirely because it's not our business and send our condolences to the Nazi state when Herr Hitler committed suicide"

    Except for the last part, that was relatively sane behaviour.


  • #4175
    Kivaro
    Closed Accounts Posts: 4,105 ✭✭✭Kivaro


    paw patrol wrote: »
    I don't get this attitude , why is trump singled out for something that is 3 months too late...?

    go back 3 months and you'll find the only people in the west concerned about this were people like alex jones. Others in the US with like governors etc who have direct local power - were actually encouraging people to get out and socialise
    Putin was bothered by it but only end of jan . Outside of asia he was probably the first to act.

    Until quite recently we weren't sure it would even get to Ireland....but as you know - skiers gotta ski.
    And to add to that, the Mayor of New Orleans was the person who decided that Mardi Gras should be held this year in late February. This was an insane decision, as you are all aware what happens e.g. sharing of drinks, kissing/hugging, and the throwing/sharing of beads.
    New Orelans is now an epicenter for Covid-19 in the States.

    Guess who she (the Mayor) is blaming now?
    Yep, Trump and the Federal Government. But she was the person who allowed it to go ahead ......... while there were reports at the time from all around the world of the carnage it was already causing.


  • #4176
    Ger Roe
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 2,196 ✭✭✭Ger Roe


    Sonics2k wrote: »
    Literally no one said that. But Trump has not handled this well, just like many other world leaders.

    I can't watch his pressers anymore. All the main players huddled together on the Whitehouse briefing stage, taking turns at the single microphone while all pawing the same lecturn to stress their point. It is miles away from our controlled and spaced briefings.

    Then he gets up to talk and mumbles random words in repetition without getting to any point, before asking Mike Pence to come to the mic and explain what he was trying to say, as he backs off looking smug. It's even better when he tries to explain graphs on the screen behind him. He obviously has no clue what they mean - again repeat random words that someone else has said while waving his arms in the general direction of the graphic, being careful not to indicate anything specific in the very likely event that his 'explanation' is incorrect.

    It would be comedic, if it wasn't so serious. I really wish one of the actual experts on the podium would just stand up and call him out for the idiot that he is, it must be so frustrating for them, having to continuously correct his utterings without offending his ego, but if they put up with it day after day, then they are also part of the problem.


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  • #4177
    BruteStock
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 1,274 ✭✭✭BruteStock


    Is there a thread that relates directly to college exams and that type of thing? Somebody told me that this years students will be given marks regardless of whether they earned them or not due to the situation being beyond their control.
    It could lead to a lot of repeat years if this goes on till Sept which some are predicting will happen.


  • #4178
    citysights
    Closed Accounts Posts: 288 ✭✭citysights


    Fergal Bowers on RTE reporting on a story where a swab in a nursing home was taken, but the swab wasn’t returned positive or negative and the patient has since died. The person who passed will now be treated as if they were covid positive by the funeral directors with all of the strict funeral arrangements that entails. How is a person covid positive in this circumstance with no test resul returned?


  • #4179
    paw patrol
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 2,312 ✭✭✭paw patrol


    sydthebeat wrote: »
    You've already said the public would have trouble understanding the median... So now you want to give them the mean AND the median

    :D

    i'll give you that , a quality dig:D

    reporting both will ensure we have full info but also the people who don't understand it will know that median isn't average.


  • #4180
    Funsterdelux
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 3,376 ✭✭✭Funsterdelux


    I think anyone entering the country should have their temp taken, questions about their movements the previous few days before arriving, 2 weeks quarrantine and they should have to take the leaving cert, 6 subjects, irish english maths complusary


  • #4181
    owlbethere
    Closed Accounts Posts: 2,329 ✭✭✭owlbethere


    murpho999 wrote: »
    There's hardly anybody travelling. You make it sound like thousands of Italians from Lombardy are boarding flights to Dublin and then running rampage.

    There's hardly any aviation activity now.

    21 flights scheduled to land in Dublin today and none from the "hotspots".

    Dublin Arrivals today

    Also, temperature check that is not really effective as most people will not have a temperature or any symptoms.

    I find this sad an ironic. If they stopped flights from the hotspot/s at the end of February and implemented other measures, we would be in a better position. Half the workforce probably wouldn't be shut down right now. Now, aviation has come to a halt along with a sizable portion of the countries workforce.


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  • #4182
    RentDayBlues
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 2,133 ✭✭✭RentDayBlues


    BruteStock wrote: »
    Is there a thread that relates directly to college exams and that type of thing? Somebody told me that this years students will be given marks regardless of whether they earned them or not due to the situation being beyond their control.
    It could lead to a lot of repeat years if this goes on till Sept which some are predicting will happen.

    And was this a reliable source???

    Colleges are putting other grading systems in place - online, coursework etc


  • #4183
    Professor Moriarty
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 14,394 ✭✭✭✭Professor Moriarty


    paw patrol wrote: »
    i'll give you that , a quality dig:D

    reporting both will ensure we have full info but also the people who don't understand it will know that median isn't average.

    Don't be so mean.


  • #4184
    Bob24
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 10,905 ✭✭✭✭Bob24


    is_that_so wrote: »
    It's more of an example of please listen to us and do what you should be doing in all of these areas. Calling him a wonderful guy in language he understands is how you try to keep him on point.

    Which as I said is more of a political statement than than a statement reflecting medical expertise.

    Everybody can see that from a medical perspective it is a nonsense to say he’s been doing a great job at handling the situation.

    And to be clear I’m not saying the WHO don’t know what they are doing. Just reiterating that political considerations are intentionally built-in what they say and thus any of their statements/recommendations should not be taken as a raw medical opinion as some have been doing.


  • #4185
    Talisman
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 6,680 ✭✭✭Talisman


    igCorcaigh wrote: »
    Prof is right in this case, median would tend to the higher age group. It's a good measure.
    I wasn't replying to Prof.

    And median is the correct measure. :)


  • #4186
    wadacrack
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 4,172 ✭✭✭wadacrack


    https://twitter.com/FergalBowers/status/1245272347101343745


  • #4187
    FVP3
    Closed Accounts Posts: 1,187 ✭✭✭FVP3


    Bob24 wrote: »
    The question isn't whether they are fiddling with the numbers, it is more to which extend are they fiddling with the numbers.

    Another enemy of the west fiddling with the numbers. It's crazy how the enemies of the US in particular are so bad with their stats. This has particularly ramped up since the US took the leadership in world cases.


  • #4188
    Professor Moriarty
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 14,394 ✭✭✭✭Professor Moriarty


    paw patrol wrote: »
    I don't get you?

    It's a pun.


  • #4189
    harr
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 4,512 ✭✭✭harr


    Was speaking to a nurse this morning who is involved in one of the testing locations and she said it’s a disaster.. little or no testing being carried out , her location only carried 24 tests on Monday and its down to the huge backlogs in the labs .
    Thousands probably more walking around spreading this. She told me to take no notice of the official figures as in the reality the amount of people infected is multiples of the official number.


  • #4190
    josip
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 14,785 ✭✭✭✭josip


    mean = average


  • #4191
    paw patrol
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 2,312 ✭✭✭paw patrol


    Professor Moriarty wrote: »
    It's a pun.

    ah!
    I got it in the end :eek: but by then deleted post....
    sorry!


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  • #4192
    igCorcaigh
    Moderators, Recreation & Hobbies Moderators Posts: 12,455 Mod ✭✭✭✭igCorcaigh


    citysights wrote: »
    Fergal Bowers on RTE reporting on a story where a swab in a nursing home was taken, but the swab wasn’t returned positive or negative and the patient has since died. The person who passed will now be treated as if they were covid positive by the funeral directors with all of the strict funeral arrangements that entails. How is a person covid positive in this circumstance with no test resul returned?

    Perhaps the symptoms are well known now, given the patient's history, that it's sufficient? I don't know. Lack of testing will skew the numbers otherwise?

    I was looking at the 1918 flu pandemic recently, and the uncertainty about the numbers, thinking it was about historical reasons. They had no PCR kit in those days. But here we are in 2020, and still uncertain.

    We will never know.


  • #4193
    stretchaq
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 567 ✭✭✭stretchaq


    harr wrote: »
    Was speaking to a nurse this morning who is involved in one of the testing locations and she said it’s a disaster.. little or no testing being carried out , her location only carried 24 tests on Monday and its down to the huge backlogs in the labs .
    Thousands probably more walking around spreading this. She told me to take no notice of the official figures as in the reality the amount of people infected is multiples of the official number.

    did she send you a whatsapp aswell


  • #4194
    IspeakcozIcan
    Closed Accounts Posts: 159 ✭✭IspeakcozIcan


    Testing is really descending into a complete mess now. This is terrible. Nursing home resident was tested on 23 March and no results received, subsequently died last night and still don't know whether they were positive or negative.


    https://twitter.com/FergalBowers/status/1245272347101343745


  • #4195
    BruteStock
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 1,274 ✭✭✭BruteStock


    RentDayBlues wrote: »
    And was this a reliable source???

    Colleges are putting other grading systems in place - online, coursework etc

    If students do exams at home , they can cog it from the internet?


  • #4196
    AlmightyCushion
    Moderators, Education Moderators, Technology & Internet Moderators Posts: 35,208 Mod ✭✭✭✭AlmightyCushion


    citysights wrote: »
    Fergal Bowers on RTE reporting on a story where a swab in a nursing home was taken, but the swab wasn’t returned positive or negative and the patient has since died. The person who passed will now be treated as if they were covid positive by the funeral directors with all of the strict funeral arrangements that entails. How is a person covid positive in this circumstance with no test resul returned?

    Better to be safe than sorry. Act as if they are positive. Same way people waiting on a test result are told to act as if they have it and self isolate.


  • #4197
    FVP3
    Closed Accounts Posts: 1,187 ✭✭✭FVP3


    Kivaro wrote: »
    And to add to that, the Mayor of New Orleans was the person who decided that Mardi Gras should be held this year in late February. This was an insane decision, as you are all aware what happens e.g. sharing of drinks, kissing/hugging, and the throwing/sharing of beads.
    New Orelans is now an epicenter for Covid-19 in the States.

    Guess who she (the Mayor) is blaming now?
    Yep, Trump and the Federal Government. But she was the person who allowed it to go ahead ......... while there were reports at the time from all around the world of the carnage it was already causing.

    That's one example, by and large the leadership on this has been taken by the Mayors and Governors, and even at country level. Dr. Sara Cody ordered santa clara county to "shelter in place" a month or so ago. Then that spread to all of california, but not until mar 20 ( when the Governor extended it)


  • #4198
    Fr_Dougal
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 9,166 ✭✭✭Fr_Dougal


    Rob A. Bank wrote: »
    This barchart speaks for itself with regard to Trump's lack of response to the virus.

    Think Italy was bad ? An enormous human tragedy is unfolding in the USA.

    Flattening-the-curve-696x589.jpg

    Trump is an idiot and his response has been abysmal, but I’d like to see that graph scaled, you can’t compare a 300M state to a 60M state.


  • #4199
    BanditLuke
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 2,600 ✭✭✭BanditLuke


    harr wrote: »
    Was speaking to a nurse this morning who is involved in one of the testing locations and she said it’s a disaster.. little or no testing being carried out , her location only carried 24 tests on Monday and its down to the huge backlogs in the labs .
    Thousands probably more walking around spreading this. She told me to take no notice of the official figures as in the reality the amount of people infected is multiples of the official number.

    What did people expect with the HSE involved? If they expected better then they know nothing about the HSE and how they operate. I'm talking about top tier pen pushers here not front line staff of course.


  • #4200
    stockshares
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 2,760 ✭✭✭stockshares


    citysights wrote: »
    Fergal Bowers on RTE reporting on a story where a swab in a nursing home was taken, but the swab wasn’t returned positive or negative and the patient has since died. The person who passed will now be treated as if they were covid positive by the funeral directors with all of the strict funeral arrangements that entails. How is a person covid positive in this circumstance with no test resul returned?

    Whether it's recorded as a Covid death isn't as important as not getting the result back in the first place.

    If a patient's doctor had been given a result action could have been taken to admit the.patient to hospital.

    I would imagine in cases like this that relatives or the Nursing homes themselves will be taking action whenever Covid had been brought under control.


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  • #4201
    is_that_so
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 32,136 ✭✭✭✭is_that_so


    BruteStock wrote: »
    If students do exams at home , they can cog it from the internet?
    There is this from early March but I'd imagine the best thing is to check with relevant institution.

    https://www.irishtimes.com/news/ireland/irish-news/coronavirus-universities-plan-online-classes-and-exams-in-case-of-campus-closures-1.4191821


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