CoVid19 Part XII - 4,604 in ROI (137 deaths) 998 in NI (56 deaths)(04/04) Read OP

01-04-2020 09:56AM

crisco10 wrote: »

100% this.

For the sample data set given earlier; 18, 24, 35, 52, 84, 86, 86,90, 92:
The mean is 63. Not One of the sample set are within 10 years of that number.

The median is 84, Five of the set are within 10 years of that number.

So which is the more representative??

For this data 95% confidence interval for mean is 63 (39.4-86.6)
For median is 84(26.5-89.0).
Based on this the mean is more accurate. Would be interesting to run the stats on actual numbers though

Rob A. Bank · 01-04-2020 10:01AM

paw patrol wrote: »

I don't get this attitude , why is trump singled out for something that is 3 months too late...?

go back 3 months and you'll find the only people in the west concerned about this were people like alex jones. Others in the US with like governors etc who have direct local power - were actually encouraging people to get out and socialise
Putin was bothered by it but only end of jan . Outside of asia he was probably the first to act.

Until quite recently we weren't sure it would even get to Ireland....but as you know - skiers gotta ski.

So you believe Trump did a good job ? :eek:

The World Health organization was informed about the beginning of the outbreak on December 31st 2019. Taiwan started it's mitigation efforts immediately.

In 2018, the Trump administration fired the government’s entire pandemic response chain of command, including the White House management infrastructure. If they had been around they would have sprung into action at the first whiff of a dangerous virus outbreak in China.

You must have been living under a stone not to realize that Trump has fu*ked up royally, in his management of this dangerous virus pandemic.

Mehan2000 · 01-04-2020 10:01AM

Iran’s deaths are low enough compared to Spain at that stage... hiding numbers ?

outsourced_ire · 01-04-2020 10:04AM

https://twitter.com/BNODesk/status/1245175971227095042

https://twitter.com/BNODesk/status/1245212679754715137

Doff · 01-04-2020 10:04AM

Rob A. Bank wrote: »

So you believe Trump did a good job ? :eek:

The World Health organization was informed about the beginning of the outbreak on December 31st 2019. Taiwan started it's mitigation efforts immediately.

In 2018, the Trump administration fired the government’s entire pandemic response chain of command, including the White House management infrastructure. If they had been around they would have sprung into action at the first whiff of a dangerous virus outbreak in China.

You must have been living under a stone not to realize that Trump has fu*ked up royally, in his management of this dangerous virus pandemic.

Yeah, this virus is all Trumps fault :rolleyes:

Multipass · 01-04-2020 10:04AM

Hrududu wrote: »

This might have already been discussed. But on the figures from last night. We've tightened the restrictions on who gets tested. Now we've gone from 6% of those tested being positive to 15%. But thats still very low. Is there a dose going around with multiple similar symptoms? Are they tests giving some false negatives? Are people convincing themselves that they have symptoms that they don't?

I presume they’re still testing relatives of sufferers, and health workers in contact with them - might contribute to so many negatives.

voluntary · 01-04-2020 10:05AM

Mehan2000 wrote: »

Iran’s deaths are low enough compared to Spain at that stage... hiding numbers ?

Any numbers coming from non-democratic countries should be taken with a pinch of salt.

murpho999 · 01-04-2020 10:05AM

cameramonkey wrote: »

The official numbers have been widely published and linked to on this forum. The numbers are correct. you are being deliberately disingenuous.

No I responded to the post without seeing the other replies that came after

Even so, Wikipedia is not a fully reliable source of information as anybody can edit it.

facehugger99 · 01-04-2020 10:05AM

Professor Moriarty wrote: »

If you're serious contact your next of kin, your GP or go to A&E immediately.

Ever wonder why our A&E's are such a mess?

This kind of bollox advice may be part of the problem.

OscarMIlde · 01-04-2020 10:05AM

Rob A. Bank wrote: »

Trump at last admits that this is not the flu and that the coronavirus is far more viscous. Three month too late, but I suppose better late than never. :rolleyes:

Meanwhile in South America, Brazil’s president Jair Bolsonaro has tried to reassure his citizens over the threat of coronavirus by claiming Brazilians can bathe in excrement “and nothing happens”. And he admits that he believes himself to be South America's 'Trump'.

The world has had enough of these dangerous right wing populist clowns.

.

Not to mention that he has reportedly tested positive for it, and continues to interact with people as normal. Last week I read a report that 26 people closely associated with him, including his driver who was hospitalised, have tested positive for it. He is actually worse than Trump.

Professor Moriarty · 01-04-2020 10:06AM

Doff wrote: »

Yeah, this virus is all Trumps fault :rolleyes:

It's not. The terrible response is his fault though.

Rob A. Bank · 01-04-2020 10:07AM

Doff wrote: »

Yeah, this virus is all Trumps fault :rolleyes:

The virus is not his fault.

The totally inadequate US response is his fault.

Talisman · 01-04-2020 10:07AM

sydthebeat wrote: »

You've already said the public would have trouble understanding the median... So now you want to give them the mean AND the median

May as well throw a box plot in there as well, although the HSE may consider that a violation of some people's privacy.

Funsterdelux · 01-04-2020 10:08AM

Mehan2000 wrote: »

Iran’s deaths are low enough compared to Spain at that stage... hiding numbers ?

Alah only knows, people might be dying and not being tested etc.

If those satelite images of mass graves are real then the true figures could be much more

marno21 · 01-04-2020 10:09AM

Mehan2000 wrote: »

Iran’s deaths are low enough compared to Spain at that stage... hiding numbers ?

I wouldn’t trust the figures from Iran.

If Ireland and the UK are having issues obtaining some of the ingredients required from testing, I would be very surprised if Iran are able to successfully run a testing regime given their circumstances and the volume of cases they are likely facing.

Sonics2k · 01-04-2020 10:09AM

Doff wrote: »

Yeah, this virus is all Trumps fault :rolleyes:

Literally no one said that. But Trump has not handled this well, just like many other world leaders.

gabeeg · 01-04-2020 10:09AM

Rob A. Bank wrote: »

The virus is not his fault.

The totally inadequate US response is his fault.

And the hundreds of thousands of needless deaths will be his fault.

Imagine having that on your CV

Doff · 01-04-2020 10:10AM

https://twitter.com/DrTedros/status/1242230036645785601

Bob24 · 01-04-2020 10:10AM

Mehan2000 wrote: »

Iran’s deaths are low enough compared to Spain at that stage... hiding numbers ?

The question isn't whether they are fiddling with the numbers, it is more to which extend are they fiddling with the numbers.

Professor Moriarty · 01-04-2020 10:10AM

facehugger99 wrote: »

Ever wonder why our A&E's are such a mess?

This kind of bollox advice may be part of the problem.

If someone is actively suicidal, that advice is exactly what they should do. Covid-19 or no Covid-19. In this matter, I am right. If you disagree, you don't know what you are talking about. Furthermore, it is reckless to disagree with proper advice in such matters. If that person is actively suicidal they should contact NoK, GP or go to A&E immediately. No ifs, buts or maybe.

is_that_so · 01-04-2020 10:11AM

gabeeg wrote: »

And the hundreds of thousands of needless deaths will be his fault.

Imagine having that on your CV

It will be "great" that only so many have died and his "brilliant" actions will have saved millions.

OscarMIlde · 01-04-2020 10:11AM

Hrududu wrote: »

This might have already been discussed. But on the figures from last night. We've tightened the restrictions on who gets tested. Now we've gone from 6% of those tested being positive to 15%. But thats still very low. Is there a dose going around with multiple similar symptoms? Are they tests giving some false negatives? Are people convincing themselves that they have symptoms that they don't?

I heard some medic on the radio say that a number of people tested for coronavirus were negative for coronavirus but positive for a particular strain of flu which is also circulating at the moment. It made me wonder whether the difference in test waiting times may be that people in areas where this flu strain are circulating are being triaged out as less likely to be positive for coronavirus. Pure speculation on my part.

Professor Moriarty · 01-04-2020 10:12AM

gabeeg wrote: »

And the hundreds of thousands of needless deaths will be his fault.

Imagine having that on your CV

He doesn't care. Getting reelected is all that matters.

Bob24 · 01-04-2020 10:13AM

Doff wrote: »

https://twitter.com/DrTedros/status/1242230036645785601

I've said before that statements from the WHO are at least as much politically driven as medically driven (in the context of them recommending against widespread use of masks to cover for unprepared European governments).

Here we have another obvious example of them saving face for a government's poor handling of the situation :-)

Sam Russell · 01-04-2020 10:13AM

yosser hughes wrote: »

Does anyone know why the cargo received from China was transported on Army trucks and Garda outriders with cameras rolling to capture the whole exercise?
I've seen it replayed several times.
To me it looked like a propaganda exercise.

You do realise it cost €20 million, and was needed to be transported quickly for distribution. A prison officer was sacked for misappropriating such equipment.

murpho999 · 01-04-2020 10:14AM

tobefrank321 wrote: »

All community cases stemmed originally from overseas travel, whether it was direct or indirect contact. The government don't even know where hundreds of people were infected which is also worrying. It could be here, it could be abroad. It could be from someone returning from abroad.

We can spend the next two weeks in lockdown, but that will only slow down community transmission for those two weeks. If we don't put restrictions on those coming in and quarantine people for 2 weeks before they enter the community, we will back to square one and forced into more lockdowns, only this time very severe ones that will collapse the economy.

Its amazing how with fairly simple steps like limiting people coming here except for very good reasons such as Irish stranded abroad or doctors returning home, it can have a positive knock-on effect in terms of lockdowns and the economy.

So yes I will keep banging on about flights. I know you are perfectly ok with people coming in unscreened, with no temperature checks from hot spots or quarantine and allowed back into the community, which in turn will cause more local transmission and community cases. This kind of liberal approach has been shown to be a failure. When you impose restrictions you have to impose restrictions on those who enter the country, otherwise you are wasting your time and we will be back to square one every couple of weeks.

There's hardly anybody travelling. You make it sound like thousands of Italians from Lombardy are boarding flights to Dublin and then running rampage.

There's hardly any aviation activity now.

21 flights scheduled to land in Dublin today and none from the "hotspots".

Dublin Arrivals today

Also, temperature check that is not really effective as most people will not have a temperature or any symptoms.

is_that_so · 01-04-2020 10:16AM

Bob24 wrote: »

I've said before that statements from the WHO are at least as much politically driven as medically driven (in the context of them recommending against widespread use of masks). Here we have another example :-)

It's more of an example of please listen to us and do what you should be doing in all of these areas. Calling him a wonderful guy in language he understands is how you try to keep him on point.

BanditLuke · 01-04-2020 10:20AM

Doff wrote: »

Yeah, this virus is all Trumps fault :rolleyes:

Always amazes me the amont of posts on here about the fool Trump. He's one of many leaders who's made a mess of this. Funny thing is the same ones bashing Trump will call you a racist when you bring up the real leader responsible for this mess Xi Jinping.

owlbethere · 01-04-2020 10:20AM

dublin99 wrote: »

Japanese experiment and micro droplet theory that virus can spread during conversation. This may explain the spread in say business meetings and over dinner.

Masks can reduce the risk.

https://m.youtube.com/watch?v=vBvFkQizTT4

This would go a long way in explaining the nursing home situation if masks are not worn during the every day activities. Then if a worker shows symptoms they go home and self isolates, it might be too late. Virus shedding has occurred through breath before symptoms occurred or were noticed. The same goes for important visitors like residents family to a care home.

igCorcaigh · 01-04-2020 10:20AM

Talisman wrote: »

You're wrong. The mean isn't used because it is skewed by outliers, particularly where age is concerned.

For example, for a sample set [14, 25, 36, 45, 47, 65, 76, 95, 104].
The mean average is 56.33 -> 56.
The median is 47.

The median tells you the middle value -> half the values are above and below.

Prof is right in this case, median would tend to the higher age group. It's a good measure.

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CoVid19 Part XII - 4,604 in ROI (137 deaths) 998 in NI (56 deaths)(04/04) Read OP