CoVid19 Part XII - 4,604 in ROI (137 deaths) 998 in NI (56 deaths)(04/04) Read OP

DebDynamite · 31-03-2020 11:52PM

Strazdas wrote: »

The Govt couldn't do it even if they wanted to. Every Irish citizen has a constitutional right to re-enter the country and cannot be refused entry.

That’s not refusing them entry into the country

babybuilder · 31-03-2020 11:53PM

SAXA wrote: »

Can people not get there heads around that every Government in the world is trying to get their hands on testing kits. One of the biggest producers in Europe is in Lombardy.. The others are in China

They had a chance to get their heads around that 5 weeks ago. "Full state of preparedness" my arse.

Strazdas · 31-03-2020 11:53PM

Larbre34 wrote: »

They could easily draft regulations under the recent Health (etc) Act to detain everyone entering the Country until a stated period in controlled quarantine had passed, rather then trusting in self isolation.

I suspect, though, that things would have to be getting dire in the progress of the pandemic on island for that to come to pass.

They could definitely do what you are suggesting. I believe NZ has taken on such powers.

MipMap · 31-03-2020 11:53PM

murpho999 wrote: »

Can you provide evidence to back up your numbers?

Wiki

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/2020_coronavirus_pandemic_in_the_Republic_of_Ireland#Testing

30213 as of yesterday

RandomViewer · 31-03-2020 11:54PM

MipMap wrote: »

At 15,000 a day We would end up testing 1.5 million people in 100 days - 30% of the population

Is that the numbers they expect to be infected?

At the current test rate a large percentage of the population will be over the virus long before we even hit 100 k tests

flashforward · 31-03-2020 11:56PM

murpho999 wrote: »

15,000 tests a day is not a PR exercise, it's a target they are working towards and they ar presently at 5,000 a day. By tests I mean results, not just swabs. They were at 2,000 last week.
People do not accept it takes to get all these things up and running.

Wrong. Wrong. Wrong.
Mar 23rd they were processing swabs @1350/day
Mar 31st they were processing swabs @1500/day
Both of the figures above were stated during the press conferences on those days.

Everyone harping on about this great job being done:
1. Opening test centres around the country at a rapid rate - DONE
2. Redeploying AHP staff to the front line to take swabs from these new test centres (leaving other 'non essential' services like speech and language, OT, physio and mental health services with skeleton staff) -DONE
3. Widen the testing criteria so every tom dick and harry with a sniffle get referred for testing - DONE
4. Don't consider PPE stocks when making decisions- DONE
5. Dont have the f**king foresight to see that by doing all the above you wont have the capacity in the lab test centres to convert the swabs to results. - DONE

So to summarise - pursue a 'test everyone' approach without the adequate resources, create a massive bottleneck whilst putting frontline staff at serious risk due to inadequate PPE supplies.

I appreciate the criteria has been changed once they realised the f*** up but if this was a private sector company we were talking about whoever came up with the plan above would be sacked.

Kermit.de.frog · 31-03-2020 11:57PM

https://twitter.com/JTMLX/status/1245137380018798593

JP Liz V1 · 31-03-2020 11:57PM

Can anywhere in Ireland produce the test swab kits?

MipMap · 31-03-2020 11:57PM

RandomViewer wrote: »

At the current test rate a large percentage of the population will be over the virus long before we even hit 100 k tests

They are saying they hope to get to 15,000 per day(today's briefing) but they have been saying that for a while now.

Thing is, Testing is not any good unless you have symptoms cos you could catch it five minutes after you got the test.

RandomViewer · 31-03-2020 11:58PM

Depends where you are but there isn't a lot of testing going on, Lots of people with symptoms aren't even going to the doctor, real figures possibly 10 to 20 times what's being reported

JP Liz V1 · 31-03-2020 11:59PM

The growth rate of virus cases halves but fears about delays to testing - Irish Independent

RandomViewer · 31-03-2020 11:59PM

JP Liz V1 wrote: »

Can anywhere in Ireland produce the test swab kits?

I don't think the swabs are the issue, the labs and the manpower conduct the tests are

smelly sock · 01-04-2020 12:00AM

17 deaths is mental. Really harrowing stuff. I cant see things getting back to normal this year at all really. It'll take a vaccine for that.

nocoverart · 01-04-2020 12:00AM

This constant back and forth bickering on this sh1t show of a thread can’t be healthy. I firmly believe most posters here actually don’t care about the pandemic itself. These people are more invested in winning a pointless debate to massage their own egos, and if that involves scaremongering to do so, they will.

Danzy · 01-04-2020 12:01AM

flashforward wrote: »

Wrong. Wrong. Wrong.
Mar 23rd they were processing swabs @1350/day
Mar 31st they were processing swabs @1500/day
Both of the figures above were stated during the press conferences on those days.

Everyone harping on about this great job being done:
1. Opening test centres around the country at a rapid rate - DONE
2. Redeploying AHP staff to the front line to take swabs from these new test centres (leaving other 'non essential' services like speech and language, OT, physio and mental health services with skeleton staff) -DONE
3. Widen the testing criteria so every tom dick and harry with a sniffle get referred for testing - DONE
4. Don't consider PPE stocks when making decisions- DONE
5. Dont have the f**king foresight to see that by doing all the above you wont have the capacity in the lab test centres to convert the swabs to results. - DONE

So to summarise - pursue a 'test everyone' approach without the adequate resources, create a massive bottleneck whilst putting frontline staff at serious risk due to inadequate PPE supplies.

I appreciate the criteria has been changed once they realised the f*** up but if this was a private sector company we were talking about whoever came up with the plan above would be sacked.

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cameramonkey · 01-04-2020 12:01AM

murpho999 wrote: »

Simon Coveney said last night on Claire Byrne that they were at 5,000 a day.

RTE reported early last week at UCD lab that there were then testing 2,000 a day.

So why isn't it true?

Can you provide evidence to back up your numbers?

We have tested about 30,213 according to the HSE .Last week according to the HSE we had tested 17,992.
30213
-17992
=12221 divided by 7 days gives you 1745 per day tested.
The HSE said at the press conference today that they are testing 1500 per day, I speculated that they were testing more earlier in the week but ran out of equipment and now are on 1500 as they said but I do not know that for a fact.Below are the HSE documents that I took the numbers from
https://www.gov.ie/en/press-release/e378fd-statement-from-the-national-public-health-emergency-team-on-tuesday-/
https://www.gov.ie/en/press-release/5ac125-statement-from-the-national-public-health-emergency-team-31-march-20/

cameramonkey · 01-04-2020 12:04AM

nocoverart wrote: »

This constant back and forth bickering on this sh1t show of a thread can’t be healthy. I firmly believe most posters here actually don’t care about the pandemic itself. These people are more invested in winning a pointless debate to massage their own egos, and if that involves scaremongering to do so, they will.

Physician heal thyself.

01-04-2020 12:04AM

Strazdas wrote: »

They could definitely do what you are suggesting. I believe NZ has taken on such powers.

Looks like only those entertaining who are symptomatic will be quarantined, all others are asked to isolate

https://www.immigration.govt.nz/about-us/covid-19/coronavirus-update-inz-response

MipMap · 01-04-2020 12:05AM

RandomViewer wrote: »

Depends where you are but there isn't a lot of testing going on, Lots of people with symptoms aren't even going to the doctor, real figures possibly 10 to 20 times what's being reported

completely correct. Saw something today where the CMO in Uk said this. Can't find it but it seems logical.

I cannot believe there are only 3200 odd cases in Ireland (all in isolation by the way) and yet it is still spreading.
Of course the levels of infection in the community are much higher.
And, BTW, no one in the HSE or Govt is denyiing this

JP Liz V1 · 01-04-2020 12:07AM

RandomViewer wrote: »

I don't think the swabs are the issue, the labs and the manpower conduct the tests are

I thought centres were closed over no kits

JoChervil · 01-04-2020 12:08AM

Memnoch wrote: »

Can you show us Obama's comments making light of H1N1 and minimising it's impact? Can you demonstrate how he failed to listen to the advice that was given by experts as has clearly been the case for Trump?

Also your figures above are incorrect. https://www.cdc.gov/flu/pandemic-resources/2009-h1n1-pandemic.html

12,000 deaths.

Not sure why I engaged with your whataboutry. Trump's actions can be easily judged on their own merits.

But it was a vaccine for H1N1 flu, so it was a completely different story....

MipMap · 01-04-2020 12:09AM

nocoverart wrote: »

This constant back and forth bickering on this sh1t show of a thread can’t be healthy. I firmly believe most posters here actually don’t care about the pandemic itself. These people are more invested in winning a pointless debate to massage their own egos, and if that involves scaremongering to do so, they will.

There is a degree of That, But the fact is that if there are any Virologists, Scientists, Epidemiologists, Nurses, Doctors or medical geniuses contributing to this thread then they should be ashamed of themselves that they are not out there fighting it instead of wasting their time here.

None of us are experts, If it were Nazis or the like we would all know what to do. With this we don't.

JP Liz V1 · 01-04-2020 12:11AM

pH wrote: »

We can, but the Government is wasting valuable time.

We will need a rapid covid-19 response team:
- 2 hour response and test anywhere in the country
- Actual real quarantine (in covid19 hotels) of anyone testing positive.
- Testing and tracing of all contacts.
- 14 days self quarantine (monitored and legally enforced) for these contacts plus follow-up tests

Is our COVID19 task team Holohan, Reid and Harris?

MadYaker · 01-04-2020 12:12AM

smelly sock wrote: »

17 deaths is mental. Really harrowing stuff. I cant see things getting back to normal this year at all really. It'll take a vaccine for that.

To be honest, 3 weeks ago I was thinking by now they'd be announcing 40 or 50 deaths a day and cases in the tens of thousands.

Ficheall · 01-04-2020 12:13AM

MipMap wrote: »

If it were Nazis or the like we would all know what to do.

What would you do?

weldoninhio · 01-04-2020 12:13AM

murpho999 wrote: »

The whole world is struggling with the this crisis.

It's now a global crisis.

I don't see the point in turning this into a political issue and blaming our politicians with hilarious names.

15,000 tests a day is not a PR exercise, it's a target they are working towards and they ar presently at 5,000 a day. By tests I mean results, not just swabs. They were at 2,000 last week.
People do not accept it takes to get all these things up and running.

Constant sniping at politicians and other geniuses pointing out how they predicted this crisis the moment they heard a person in Wuhan had a sore throat is boring , and that the government should have gone full lock-down in February,achieve nothing and make this thread unreadable.

In the meantime our death rates remain low compared to other countries and that's nothing to do with the impact of the decisions taken by the government. It now means their forecasts were false.

We’ve been told tonight, by the head of testing, that the max we are doing is 1500 per day. The labs can process 1500. That’s 1500 results of testing per day. 5000 and 2000 are Mickey Mouse figures.

tikkahunter · 01-04-2020 12:14AM

So for everyone that thinks our government are doing such a **** job , please tell which country you would rather be in right now ?

cameramonkey · 01-04-2020 12:15AM

tikkahunter wrote: »

So for everyone that thinks our government are doing such a **** job , please tell which country you would rather be in right now ?

South Korea or Singapore.

SuperTortoise · 01-04-2020 12:18AM

voluntary wrote: »

$1000 per life maybe?

Or maybe $100,000.

pH · 01-04-2020 12:19AM

MipMap wrote: »

None of us are experts, If it were Nazis or the like we would all know what to do. With this we don't.

Oh wait I think know the answer to this one!

Is it "Declare ourselves neutral, stay out of everything entirely because it's not our business and send our condolences to the Nazi state when Herr Hitler committed suicide"

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CoVid19 Part XII - 4,604 in ROI (137 deaths) 998 in NI (56 deaths)(04/04) Read OP