CoVid19 Part XII - 4,604 in ROI (137 deaths) 998 in NI (56 deaths)(04/04) **Read OP**

Strazdas wrote: »

Would be totally in breach of Irish people's constitutional rights to refuse them entry to their own country.

No one here is saying to deny entry to Irish citizens

ChikiChiki wrote: »

Thats an eye opener.

The Atlantic one (talking about how hard this is to contain) and the CNN one (mentionibg other effects of the virus) seem fine to me.

Similar for the az central one depending on what they mean by overreact

owlbethere wrote: »

I really don't know what would be involved with relaxation the measures.

It's hard to see hard to see if schools will be allowed to open. I really cants see schools opening until September. Especially it's considered this virus, children can be carriers without showing symptoms. So that would mean children can pass it around onto others and bring it home. I just can't see schools opening until September. Maybe the states exams might be allowed to go ahead although I don't know how that can happen considering the social distancing will have to be maintained more than likely.

They do have to reopen the businesses and companies fairly sharpish though.....it's not even optional. Lockdown for six months would virtually wipe out the economy (causing far more damage than any virus).

I see the US saying testing without being able to process the samples is a waste of time and a broken system.

DebDynamite wrote: »

I’m sure they were Irish. I don’t care what nationality anyone is, there should be mandatory quarantine for anyone entering the country. Australia do it to their own citizens, why can’t we?

There is. All people entering the country are told to isolate for 14 days.

owlbethere wrote: »

I really don't know what would be involved with relaxation the measures.

It's hard to see hard to see if schools will be allowed to open. I really cants see schools opening until September. Especially it's considered this virus, children can be carriers without showing symptoms. So that would mean children can pass it around onto others and bring it home. I just can't see schools opening until September. Maybe the states exams might be allowed to go ahead although I don't know how that can happen considering the social distancing will have to be maintained more than likely.

We can, but the Government is wasting valuable time.

We will need a rapid covid-19 response team:
- 2 hour response and test anywhere in the country
- Actual real quarantine (in covid19 hotels) of anyone testing positive.
- Testing and tracing of all contacts.
- 14 days self quarantine (monitored and legally enforced) for these contacts plus follow-up tests.

- Impeccable transmission prevention measure in hospitals and nursing homes.

- Mandatory 14 day quarantine for everyone arriving to the country from anywhere that's not 100% covid-19 free.

These measures will stop any outbreak in its tracks and allow 99.99% of the population get on with their lives once the outbreak is squashed.

But these measures need to be in place in a few of weeks time, otherwise everything we're going through now is all for nothing (in the long run) and we're just 6 weeks away from this all over again.

Shn99 wrote: »

The CMO was saying this evening that if the current measures take effect, we could see a relaxation of the current measures. Would this be the reopening of schools, colleges ect or what are we thinking?

What the CMO did not say is when there could be a relaxation of the current measures. I know that he cannot be prescriptive about this but what everyone needs to to have is some indication of just how long they have to live in this twilight zone of an existence. If the message continues to be ‘as long as it takes’, there will come a point where the current acquiescence will begin to fracture.
They keep talking about ‘flattening the curve’. We all get that but we need to have some indication of when some sort of normality can return to their lives. Is it a month, or two months or six months.....or what?
We also need to know what the priorities are for returning to normal. Is it opening the schools, the parks, the restaurants, the pubs, sports events....or what?
I’m sure there is some sort of thinking or planning is going on, but FFS just share it with us so that we can have something to look forward to.
Don’t treat the people like mushrooms, (keep them in the dark and feed them sh1t).

babybuilder wrote: »

Ruling class hubris. It will never happen here nonsense. The manipulation of the population's psychosis by the ruling class is unreal. Their paranoia about Russia and China a prime example. Bomb the **** out of any country that stands in their way. The US will implode, maybe not because of this, but soon.

Not One single person in Ireland will die, go into ICU, get infected or anything else as a result of what Trump does, says or anything else.


Talking about this idiot gives him oxygen.


One of the many contradictory things he has says will prove to be right.


It will end in the Summer.
A million people will have died if we did'nt do what we did.
Blah Blah Blah


the more crap he puts out there the more likely it is that in the fullness of time something will ring true.


He will claim he always said this and the idiots that voted for him the last time will swallow it again.

cameramonkey wrote: »

They said they were at 5000 a day, that is not true, they also said they were at 2000 per day also not true.



Since the start of the pandemic here we have averaged about 900 tests per day.


Last week they averaged 1745 per day although in the press conference they said they are only carrying out 1500 per day so maybe they were at 2000 for a short time but they did not sustain it and are now back to 1500 per day.

Simon Coveney said last night on Claire Byrne that they were at 5,000 a day.

RTE reported early last week at UCD lab that there were then testing 2,000 a day.

So why isn't it true?

Can you provide evidence to back up your numbers?

Can you explain to me why the test rate per million in the UK iower than ours 370 vs 655 but UK's death rate per million is 26 whilst our is 14?
Netherlands has similar test rate to us at 735 but their death rate is much higher at 61.

Source.

Could that not be a sign that the measures imposed her might actually be working?
I just don't get why there are people constantly on here trying to convince everyone that Ireland is doing a bad job on this?

Can people not get there heads around that every Government in the world is trying to get their hands on testing kits. One of the biggest producers in Europe is in Lombardy.. The others are in China

Roger_007 wrote: »

What the CMO did not say is when there could be a relaxation of the current measures. I know that he cannot be prescriptive about this but what everyone needs to to have is some indication of just how long they have to live in this twilight zone of an existence. If the message continues to be ‘as long as it takes’, there will come a point where the current acquiescence will begin to fracture.
They keep talking about ‘flattening the curve’. We all get that but we need to have some indication of when some sort of normality can return to their lives. Is it a month, or two months or six months.....or what?
We also need to know what the priorities are for returning to normal. Is it opening the schools, the parks, the restaurants, the pubs, sports events....or what?
I’m sure there is some sort of thinking or planning is going on, but FFS just share it with us so that we can have something to look forward to.
Don’t treat the people like mushrooms, (keep them in the dark and feed them sh1t).

It cannot be six months anyway. At that point, most SMEs would no longer even be viable and they (the Govt) would have effectively destroyed their own economy. I think they know full well that 3-4 months is the maximum upper limit and beyond that and they would be in massive trouble.

I do think myself though that many places will be reopening by early June.