CoVid19 Part XII - 4,604 in ROI (137 deaths) 998 in NI (56 deaths)(04/04) **Read OP**

Professor Moriarty wrote: »

Got me. I'm a SIPTU shop steward.

Say no more sure, snout meet trough.

tobefrank321 wrote: »

As its a novel virus peer reviewed studies have been few and far between.

There have been some studies on viral load which look promising, ie the more of the virus you are exposed to the more severe the outcome, but obviously more study needs to be done on this. Some experts talk of two strains, one severe, one mild. Having a strong immune system isn't always a good thing if it causes an immune over reaction. Finally a 100 year old might have no underlying conditions while a 13 year old might have an undiagnosed one.

Much about this virus is a mystery but like the spanish flu it will be studied for decades.

I think that’s the point. We know very little about this virus. Major lessons will have to be learned but it will take time to analyse the data of this outbreak. Hopefully we will be better prepared for the next pandemic.

Quantum Erasure wrote: »

smart man

Sure thing :rolleyes::rolleyes::rolleyes:

Ace2007 wrote: »

We don't have the full data, but the numbers that have sadly passed away seem to be mainly quite elderly, so if the virus gets into a nursing home, more than likely a large % of them will need ICU beds and sadly some of them will pass away. So I think looking purely at ICU beds isn't a fair reflection on where are either.

I'm saying that I don't think there's much point in us looking at testing results anymore. Every evening I see people making the same comments that there hasn't been large increases in the numbers of positive results and that we seem to be doing quite well. But how can anyone make that conclusion from an absolutely diabolical testing system. It's a complete and utter disaster. They don't even have solution for the swabs anymore. No reagents to make them and running out of swabs. A local test centre near me did ten tests this morning and had to stop because that's all the swabs they had.

So everyone should ignore the tests results. Just look at the increases in ICU numbers and deaths from now on to get an understanding of how we are coping.

Coronavirus: Anger is growing at China over COVID-19 and its apparent cover-up attempt

China is facing a public relations catastrophe that is only likely to deepen, writes Sky's diplomatic editor Dominic Waghorn.

https://news.sky.com/story/coronavirus-anger-is-growing-at-china-over-covid-19-and-its-apparent-cover-up-attempt-11966539

Western countries have their populations on lockdown, their economies frozen or in freefall, and the country where the virus most likely originated is suspected to have lied, covered up and spread misinformation about its role.

In Britain, there is reportedly rising anger about the Chinese government's conduct and increasing pressure for a wholesale review of relations with China.

weldoninhio wrote: »

The “ramping up of tests” etc was a PR exercise. The “we have plenty of PPE” was a PR exercise.
The bullshyte about getting to “15,000 tests a day” was a PR exercise.

All we are getting from Simple Simon and Varadkardashian is spin and PR bluster.

It most likely wasn't a PR exercise. They likely thought they had the resources (scientists/equipment) to do this but is now not possible due to the worldwide shortage in RNA extraction kits.

deisedevil wrote: »

I'm saying that I don't think there's much point in us looking at testing results anymore. Every evening I see people making the same comments that there hasn't been large increases in the numbers of positive results and that we seem to be doing quite well. But how can anyone make that conclusion from an absolutely diabolical testing system. It's a complete and utter disaster. They don't even have solution for the swabs anymore. No reagents to make them and running out of swabs. A local test centre near me did ten tests this morning and had to stop because that's all the swabs they had.

So everyone should ignore the tests results. Just look at the increases in ICU numbers and deaths from now on to get an understanding of how we are coping.

Testing is a world wide issue not limited to Ireland.

But again you fail to understand, if say 500 people over the age of 80 get the virus - it's safe to say without knowing about their general health a large % of them are going to require hospital treatment and some ICU and some will sadly pass away.

If you take 500 people in their 40's the number that will go into hospital is lower, the number needing ICU will be low, and even less will pay away.

So unless you have a breakdown of the age and where the person got the virus from you can't really take anything from the number in ICU, some nursing homes in Dublin have 150+ residents - wouldn't take much of an outbreak to fill hospital ICU beds in a Dublin hospital for instance.

Its all about the pr with trump

fr336 wrote: »

I don't understand how 100 year olds can recover yet 13 year olds with no underlying conditions die?

Its like this one time I went with 2 mates for a kebab and I got a slight dose of the scutters, one of the others got a bad dose of the scuts and the other landed in hospital and lost over a stone.

martingriff wrote: »

You must think all these places have the highest equipment. What would a University want need of a machine to test viruses. Do you really think these people can just walk in and know how to test for these things, Not all scientist, technicians or professors know everything. Come on use your head

To be fair the equipment is very common in biology labs in universities. What would be an issue is the level of maintenance and calibration of the equipment in universities. There are very strict guidelines regarding calibration for diagnostic labs.