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CoVid19 Part XII - 4,604 in ROI (137 deaths) 998 in NI (56 deaths)(04/04) **Read OP**

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  • #2132
    fritzelly
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 18,148 ✭✭✭✭fritzelly


    lillycakes2 wrote: »
    Ebola, Swine Flu and SARS, Foot and Mouth, MERS,Nipah, etc all came and disappeared………...would it be fair to say this one will follow similar pattern ??

    Ebola, Sars, Nipah, Mers - all have high fatality rates - you barely get a chance to spread it to other people

    The other 2 you can work out for yourself


  • #2133
    Sofiztikated
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 6,995 ✭✭✭Sofiztikated


    STB. wrote: »
    Do you know what we were doing this time 19 years ago ?

    We were running a major security operation along the border and at ports to prevent the spread of foot-and-mouth disease.

    We couldn't do the same for the human beings, having been given ample warning..

    We were also terminating and burning 10's of thousands of livestock.


  • #2134
    bb12
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 888 ✭✭✭bb12


    threeball wrote: »
    It only takes a handful of nutters to spread this sh1t like wildfire or perhaps you haven't being paying attention. It's proven that centres like churches were at the root of problems for Spain and France but of course the USA is different.

    saw a bbc report from russia the other day where it was shown people still packing into the churches there...the reporter interviewed some women outside and they said you couldn't catch corona in a church...god wouldn't allow it....one of these women was a doctor.


  • #2135
    Mervyn Skidmore
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 3,210 ✭✭✭Mervyn Skidmore


    gozunda wrote: »
    You brought your own irrelevant travel history up. The question was rhetorical

    Your personal travel history has evidently got nothing do with those deciding to go off on holiday when it was clear that the disease was spreading

    It certainly has nothing to do with limiting flights from areas where infection was rampant or restricting the same eejits who went off on holidays because they could ...

    My personal travel history is anecdotal evidence of how people might have travelled without knowing the full extent of the disease. My point is that there could have been an Irish person in Wuhan from day one of the outbreak that returned on day two. We just don't know, and there would have been no way of preventing that person from returning. This "close the border" thing is a nonsense in my mind. We have over 150 countries infected, the virus is in the community already. Yes, restrict those who enter but it's here and we have to try to manage it as best as possible.


  • #2136
    fritzelly
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 18,148 ✭✭✭✭fritzelly


    Strazdas wrote: »
    It's not the temperature or sunlight that would ward off the virus but rather how the host person reacts to the changes in temperature and sunlight (a massive boost to their immune system).

    https://www.telegraph.co.uk/news/2020/03/30/warm-may-weather-could-suppress-uks-coronavirus-outbreak-study/

    Alas it is based on other coronaviruses and making assumptions that this virus is the same.

    Only time will tell if that is the case or ...

    If I had a dollar for every non peer reviewed paper on Coronavirus I would be a trillionaire


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  • #2137
    Strazdas
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 20,404 ✭✭✭✭Strazdas


    davedanon wrote: »
    Ehhh, you do know we live in Ireland. I wouldn't be pinning my hopes on being saved by sunlight.

    A 'seasonal' flu is entirely dependent on there being seasons.

    The London researchers think CV-19 may follow the pattern of other corona viruses (let's hope they're right).


  • #2138
    gozunda
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 18,996 ✭✭✭✭gozunda


    easypazz wrote: »
    Rubbish.

    20000 people were in Spain when things went off. I will take a stab that 100000 people were out of the country that week. And same the week before.

    You cant just fold Aer Lingus and Ryanair every time something might happen.

    4 weeks ago the only thing in the news was flooding along the Shannon and constant storms.

    In late January - It was all over the news. And again limiting flights from those areas which caused the first clusters here does not mean that travel restrictions plus repatriation and quarantine could not have been implemented for those areas going forward. Is that concept really too difficult?

    I'm amazed at the incredible black and white thinking that goes with this issue - it's like the world and everything in it is suddenly monochrome for some ...


  • #2139
    STB.
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 5,380 ✭✭✭STB.


    Sofiztikated wrote: »
    We were also terminating and burning 10's of thousands of livestock.


    And your point is what exactly?

    Your response will underpin mine I am sure.


  • #2140
    wakka12
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 9,786 ✭✭✭wakka12


    fritzelly wrote: »
    Alas it is based on other coronaviruses and making assumptions that this virus is the same.

    Only time will tell if that is the case or ...

    If I had a dollar for every non peer reviewed paper on Coronavirus I would be a trillionaire

    Yes, it is no guarantee at all. MERS is also a coronavirus and thrives in the hottest temperatures on earth


  • #2141
    Strazdas
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 20,404 ✭✭✭✭Strazdas


    fritzelly wrote: »
    Alas it is based on other coronaviruses and making assumptions that this virus is the same.

    Only time will tell if that is the case or ...

    If I had a dollar for every non peer reviewed paper on Coronavirus I would be a trillionaire

    Indeed. There's so much about Covid we don't actually know - we'll know a lot more in six month's time.

    But the fact that it exists in hot countries tells us nothing so far : we need to see how it performs in a country with changing seasons.


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  • #2142
    josip
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 14,785 ✭✭✭✭josip


    https://www.boards.ie/vbulletin/showpost.php?p=112999911&postcount=707
    V8 Interceptor wrote: »
    Its at times like this I wish I had a PHD...

    Infectious disease expert says Government should consider closing Irish borders

    Dr Paddy Mallon, professor of microbial diseases at UCD and consultant at St Vincent’s Hospital in Dublin acknowledged that community transmission of COVID-19 in Ireland presents a significant problem, but identified the risk of imported infections as a major threat.
    ...

    https://www.boards.ie/vbulletin/showpost.php?p=113006778&postcount=1996
    V8 Interceptor wrote: »
    Its at times like this I wish I had a PHD...

    Infectious disease expert says Government should consider closing Irish borders

    Dr Paddy Mallon, professor of microbial diseases at UCD and consultant at St Vincent’s Hospital in Dublin acknowledged that community transmission of COVID-19 in Ireland presents a significant problem, but identified the risk of imported infections as a major threat.
    ...

    Are there any other times you'd like to include for wishing V8 ?


  • #2143
    dsmythy
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 10,560 ✭✭✭✭dsmythy


    lillycakes2 wrote: »
    Ebola, Swine Flu and SARS, Foot and Mouth, MERS,Nipah, etc all came and disappeared………...would it be fair to say this one will follow similar pattern ??

    You'll find that swine flu strain in flu vaccines as it still does the rounds most winters. MERS still exists too but it's not a great spreader. So it might stick around but as something less serious and widespread.


  • #2144
    JP Liz V1
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 91,208 ✭✭✭✭JP Liz V1


    wakka12 wrote: »
    Swine flu did not disappear, it is an endemic global influenza now.
    The ebola outbreak is still ongoing
    SARS was stopped because of massive containment efforts

    Coronavirus looks unlikely to 'disappear' naturally because of how contagious it is but apparently CHina managed so who knows

    China still has cases and deaths (yes smaller, decreasing) but their 1st case was last November
    https://forumofgames.com/




  • #2145
    gozunda
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 18,996 ✭✭✭✭gozunda


    Mervyn Skidmore wrote: »
    My personal travel history is anecdotal evidence of how people might have travelled without knowing the full extent of the disease. My point is that there could have been an Irish person in Wuhan from day one of the outbreak that returned on day two. We just don't know, and there would have been no way of preventing that person from returning. This "close the border" thing is a nonsense in my mind. We have over 150 countries infected, the virus is in the community already. Yes, restrict those who enter but it's here and we have to try to manage it as best as possible.

    So because one imaginary person 'might' have returned from Wuhan - means we could not have limited travel and set up quarantine from say Italy - once knew there was a serious risk of the disease returning here? Ie exactly what happened with the first clusters

    Nope. Doesn't wash ....


  • #2146
    solidasarock
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 363 ✭✭solidasarock


    lillycakes2 wrote: »
    Ebola, Swine Flu and SARS, Foot and Mouth, MERS, etc all came and disappeared………...would it be fair to say this one will follow similar pattern ??

    None of those spread as far and wide as Covid-19. Its a completely different scenario.

    Look up the total cases of Ebola or SARS some time. Those where small compared to what is happening now.

    Something like Ebola is way more easier to contain. It was way more lethal and attacks the host much more quickly and as a result never gets a chance to spread.

    Covid-19 can take a week or more to effect a host but that host can still be spreading during that time without knowing. Its less lethal but can spread to way more people and kill way more as a result.


  • #2147
    kilkenny31
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 701 ✭✭✭kilkenny31


    gozunda wrote: »
    So because one imaginary person 'might' have returned from Wuhan - means we could not have limited travel and set up quarantine from say Italy - once knew there was a serious risk of the disease returning here? Ie exactly what happened...

    Nope. Doesn't wash ....


    Totally agree. The fact that there was Irish people who came back from Wuhan placed in quarantine in England for two weeks before returning to Ireland suggests that the same should have been done for people returning from Italy when it got serious here. There can be no argument.


  • #2148
    Mervyn Skidmore
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 3,210 ✭✭✭Mervyn Skidmore


    gozunda wrote: »
    So ecause one imaginary person 'might' have returned from Wuhan - means we could not have limited travel and set up quarantine
    from say Italy once knew there was a serious risk of the disease returning here? Ie exactly what happened...

    Nope. Doesn't wash ....

    But you asked me whether I considered the risk travelling back to Ireland from Hong Kong mere days after the first cases were revealed, therefore you clearly understand my point. I "might" have had the virus, who knows. Due to the way the world is now and the delayed onset of symptoms or lack of symptoms at all, this virus was travelling worldwide from day one unknown.


  • #2149
    fineso.mom
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 1,093 ✭✭✭fineso.mom


    V8 Interceptor wrote: »
    Its at times like this I wish I had a PHD...


    Infectious disease expert says Government should consider closing Irish borders

    Dr Paddy Mallon, professor of microbial diseases at UCD and consultant at St Vincent’s Hospital in Dublin acknowledged that community transmission of COVID-19 in Ireland presents a significant problem, but identified the risk of imported infections as a major threat.

    "We should be looking seriously over the next week at protecting our borders and stopping new infections coming in because it will give us the ability to control the infections that we have."

    https://www.msn.com/en-ie/news/coronavirus/infectious-disease-expert-says-government-should-consider-closing-irish-borders/ar-BB11U6Cd?ocid=spartanntp

    That doctor was on the radio today and the interviewer asked him about his 'statement' about closing the borders. He corrected her and said he had not used that term, that he had said 'protecting' our borders. He then went on to explain what that meant and it was not at all as extreme as closing borders.


  • #2150
    Bit cynical
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 2,338 ✭✭✭Bit cynical


    signostic wrote: »
    Over 5000 cases in Florida and the temp today is 25 degress C.
    However huge numbers of New Yorkers traveled down to Florida in recent weeks.


  • #2151
    wakka12
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 9,786 ✭✭✭wakka12


    Bit cynical wrote: »
    However huge numbers of New Yorkers traveled down to Florida in recent weeks.

    Yeh but several other tropical and hot places are experiecing fast and large increases in recent days, Indonesia, Phillippines, Malaysia, Israel, Saudi Arabia, Ecaudor


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  • #2152
    tuxy
    Closed Accounts Posts: 14,983 ✭✭✭✭tuxy


    wakka12 wrote: »
    Yeh but several other tropical and hot places are experiecing fast and large increases in recent days, Indonesia, Phillippines, Malaysia, Israel, Saudi Arabia, Ecaudor

    Yes and can you imagine what it would be like in those places if the temperature was lower? :eek:


  • #2153
    wakka12
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 9,786 ✭✭✭wakka12


    https://www.aerzteblatt.de/nachrichten/111286/Deutsche-Krankenhaeuser-nehmen-COVID-19-Patienten-aus-Italien-und-Frankreich-auf
    Germany takes in almost 200 ICU patients from Spain , France and Italy. Good neighbours !


  • #2154
    JP Liz V1
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 91,208 ✭✭✭✭JP Liz V1


    wakka12 wrote: »
    https://www.aerzteblatt.de/nachrichten/111286/Deutsche-Krankenhaeuser-nehmen-COVID-19-Patienten-aus-Italien-und-Frankreich-auf
    Germany takes in almost 200 ICU patients from Spain , France and Italy. Good neighbours !

    What's Germany's own numbers like now that they can import ICU patients?
    https://forumofgames.com/




  • #2155
    tuxy
    Closed Accounts Posts: 14,983 ✭✭✭✭tuxy


    JP Liz V1 wrote: »
    What's Germany's own numbers like now that they can import ICU patients?

    Very low percentage of serious and fatal cases. This has been a mystery for some time now as they try to figure out what Germany did that allowed so many to be infected but so few to become critical.


  • #2156
    Turtwig
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    tuxy wrote: »
    Very low percentage of serious and fatal cases. This has been a mystery for some time now as they try to figure out what Germany did that allowed so many to be infected but so few to become critical.

    Record the deaths differently.


  • #2157
    makeandcreate
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    Mervyn Skidmore wrote: »
    My personal travel history is anecdotal evidence of how people might have travelled without knowing the full extent of the disease. My point is that there could have been an Irish person in Wuhan from day one of the outbreak that returned on day two. We just don't know, and there would have been no way of preventing that person from returning. This "close the border" thing is a nonsense in my mind. We have over 150 countries infected, the virus is in the community already. Yes, restrict those who enter but it's here and we have to try to manage it as best as possible.

    Exactly. We had loads of school kids on ski trips in Northern Italy for weeks before the "official" outbreak in Italy - looking back, the virus was surely already active. My daughters school arrived back from Lombardy Feb 16 - no testing, restrictions or isolation was done.
    Funny thing - the kids where due to have an end of holiday disco but it was cancelled at the last minute and I only thought of this today, I spoke to my daughter that night and she said they had been confined and left in their rooms - I wanted to speak to one of her teachers about collecting her from the airport but she said they were left in the rooms until 1am then light outs. I now wonder where the teachers concerned about them mixing together?


  • #2158
    tuxy
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    Turtwig wrote: »
    Record the deaths differently.

    Does that free up enough ICU space that they can take patients for another country?
    Maybe recording it like that is the part of the solution to dealing with this better.


  • #2159
    Brian Lighthouse
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 514 ✭✭✭Brian Lighthouse


    From the Deutsche Welle News channel, some theories on how Germany are handling it.
    https://youtu.be/2a5GjVpfy8g


  • #2160
    Kermit.de.frog
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    It has been low but daily new deaths are increasing. 104 yesterday. Lag effect.


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    Four Spring Duck Technique


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