CoVid19 Part XII - 4,604 in ROI (137 deaths) 998 in NI (56 deaths)(04/04) Read OP

fin12 · 31-03-2020 12:17AM

https://www.echolive.ie/corknews/Thirteen-virus-clusters-in-CorkKerry-region-Hotel-and-pub-at-centre-of-two-outbreaks-bbdbf015-b6b2-4087-b048-d409f28db933-ds

Anyone know what pub n hotel they are talking about relating to clusters in Cork/Kerry region?

fritzelly · 31-03-2020 12:17AM

STB. wrote: »

That's exactly what it doesn't mean.

It means that 84 people are currently in ICU.

Yesterday there were 88 people with Covid19 in ICU.

The numbers will go up if more people are admitted and down if people die or recover to allow them to recover outside a unit, normally a high dependency unit.

Now let it go.

The significance of the numbers being reported are to show the pressure our heath system is under at X moment in time and to show when we are reaching capacity. Nothing else.

Every time the Doc is asked the question he never really answers it concretely

Take what Leo said about ICU beds being full within a few days then you would have to assume it is not accumulative but actual occupancy - that's what I am assuming anyway
A lot of the deaths have been in nursing homes etc - never likely in an ICU and anyone in an ICU is going to take 2-3 weeks to recover if not longer

Just my thoughts

Gods Gift · 31-03-2020 12:18AM

Mervyn Skidmore wrote: »

A lot of people are at home trying new things. They might be trying Angel's grapefruit technique. You'll have to search that for yourself though...

A lot here wouldn’t be that flexible.

I’d imagine.

gozunda · 31-03-2020 12:19AM

Amirani wrote: »

5000 is the number of completed tests per day that we averaged at the end of last week (I'd expect a lower number today due to testing agent shortages). We take more swabs than this though, hence why there are some awaiting analysis.

The target is actually for 15000 per day, but that could be a while away yet...

Source for the claim that 5000 is s the actual number completed per day? Listening to the briefing today- thats the projected figure - not what's happening on the ground.

Agsin if many of the those tests which are taking place are not being analysed in a relevant time frame- then figures for spread and infection are little better than useless.

We may as well ditch testing if it simply has become a flag waving e exercise of - oooh look at us! - we are best at testing! just forget that timely analysis is not happening and the released figures are not reliable being up to a week behind.

31-03-2020 12:22AM

Mervyn Skidmore wrote: »

A lot of people are at home trying new things. They might be trying Angel's grapefruit technique. You'll have to search that for yourself though...

Latest one I've heard is that Marty in the morning on Lyric sends Covid-19 into immediate retreat. It's not the generic classical muzak that does the trick, but Marty yammering on for thirty minutes about "says he/says I back". If exposed for too long, Covid-19 withers away from boredom. I'll inform the WHO, and hopefully clinical research can be conducted without delay.

threeball · 31-03-2020 12:22AM

Roger_007 wrote: »

I think the situation in the US may not not get as bad as people think. The do have a large population but they are far more spread out than in other countries. Outside of New York and a handful of medium sized cities most Americans live in suburbia. They mostly get around by private car and generally would be more socially distanced than Europeans.

If they keep going to these evangelical churches against advice it won't matter how spread out they are. Money hungry pastors promising to pray the virus away. It's a nutty country.

vladmydad · 31-03-2020 12:23AM

Don’t worry people covid-19 has been cured
https://mobile.twitter.com/michaeljknowles/status/1244759368190398464

V8 Interceptor · 31-03-2020 12:23AM

Its at times like this I wish I had a PHD...

Infectious disease expert says Government should consider closing Irish borders

Dr Paddy Mallon, professor of microbial diseases at UCD and consultant at St Vincent’s Hospital in Dublin acknowledged that community transmission of COVID-19 in Ireland presents a significant problem, but identified the risk of imported infections as a major threat.

"We should be looking seriously over the next week at protecting our borders and stopping new infections coming in because it will give us the ability to control the infections that we have."

https://www.msn.com/en-ie/news/coronavirus/infectious-disease-expert-says-government-should-consider-closing-irish-borders/ar-BB11U6Cd?ocid=spartanntp

cameramonkey · 31-03-2020 12:23AM

Amirani wrote: »

5000 is the number of completed tests per day that we averaged at the end of last week (I'd expect a lower number today due to testing agent shortages). We take more swabs than this though, hence why there are some awaiting analysis.

The target is actually for 15000 per day, but that could be a while away yet...

Do you mean by the 5000 per day swabs taken or test processed through the lab?

JoChervil · 31-03-2020 12:24AM

Roger_007 wrote: »

I think the situation in the US may not not get as bad as people think. The do have a large population but they are far more spread out than in other countries. Outside of New York and a handful of medium sized cities most Americans live in suburbia. They mostly get around by private car and generally would be more socially distanced than Europeans.

You are right. They are naturally distancing. Once a friend from Savannah in Georgia visited me and couldn't buy us drinks because he kept so much distance from others, that people got constantly in front of him in the que

kilkenny31 · 31-03-2020 12:25AM

So guys. Given today's figures. Can we begin to say that we have flattened the curve? It's highly unlikely given the restrictions that are in place that we will see a significant spike over the coming days or weeks. Is it reasonable to say that it's the measures that were put in place that are the reason for this or given out population is it unlikely that we wouldn't have experienced the growth in other more populated countries anyway.

STB. · 31-03-2020 12:26AM

fritzelly wrote: »

Every time the Doc is asked the question he never really answers it concretely

Take what Leo said about ICU beds being full within a few days then you would have to assume it is not accumulative but actual occupancy - that's what I am assuming anyway

A lot of the deaths have been in nursing homes etc - never likely in an ICU and anyone in an ICU is going to take 2-3 weeks to recover if not longer

Just my thoughts

It is occupancy at any one time. It's certainly not the amount of people who have passed through from day one as some have died, more have entered ICU.

Some people don't get the reason the ICU numbers are reported in the first instance.

JP Liz V1 · 31-03-2020 12:27AM

fin12 wrote: »

https://www.echolive.ie/corknews/Thirteen-virus-clusters-in-CorkKerry-region-Hotel-and-pub-at-centre-of-two-outbreaks-bbdbf015-b6b2-4087-b048-d409f28db933-ds

Anyone know what pub n hotel they are talking about relating to clusters in Cork/Kerry region?

:eek:

I think cluster locations should be revealed

JoChervil · 31-03-2020 12:27AM

owlbethere wrote: »

I saw that and I'm alarmed. So far we've been told this virus effects the lungs and we will have respiratory illness and now we're told this.

From the very beginning they were telling about kidneys too. They have the same receptors, which this virus uses to get into cells

tikkahunter · 31-03-2020 12:29AM

V8 Interceptor wrote: »

Its at times like this I wish I had a PHD...

Infectious disease expert says Government should consider closing Irish borders

Dr Paddy Mallon, professor of microbial diseases at UCD and consultant at St Vincent’s Hospital in Dublin acknowledged that community transmission of COVID-19 in Ireland presents a significant problem, but identified the risk of imported infections as a major threat.

"We should be looking seriously over the next week at protecting our borders and stopping new infections coming in because it will give us the ability to control the infections that we have."

https://www.msn.com/en-ie/news/coronavirus/infectious-disease-expert-says-government-should-consider-closing-irish-borders/ar-BB11U6Cd?ocid=spartanntp

How many times you going to post that ? It was explained enough times to you throughout these threads why boarders could not be closed up until this point.

31-03-2020 12:29AM

V8 Interceptor wrote: »

Its at times like this I wish I had a PHD...

Infectious disease expert says Government should consider closing Irish borders

Dr Paddy Mallon, professor of microbial diseases at UCD and consultant at St Vincent’s Hospital in Dublin acknowledged that community transmission of COVID-19 in Ireland presents a significant problem, but identified the risk of imported infections as a major threat.

"We should be looking seriously over the next week at protecting our borders and stopping new infections coming in because it will give us the ability to control the infections that we have."

https://www.msn.com/en-ie/news/coronavirus/infectious-disease-expert-says-government-should-consider-closing-irish-borders/ar-BB11U6Cd?ocid=spartanntp

An ingenious train of thought that nobody ever encountered before. Collect twelve cereal tokens and you can become a PhD. Call me Dr. John the Night Tripper, in the right place at the right time.

gozunda · 31-03-2020 12:30AM

kilkenny31 wrote: »

So guys. Given today's figures. Can we begin to say that we have flattened the curve? It's highly unlikely given the restrictions that are in place that we will see a significant spike over the coming days or weeks. Is it reasonable to say that it's the measures that were put in place that are the reason for this or given out population is it unlikely that we wouldn't have experienced the growth in other more populated countries anyway.

The figures are not reliable.

Tests already taken are backlogged waiting for analysis and results for up to 12 days.

Shortages of reagent and other issues were blammed on this in today's briefings.

Looks like we need to ditch the system start again and stop publishing unreliable figures tbh.

fin12 · 31-03-2020 12:31AM

JP Liz V1 wrote: »

:eek:

I think cluster locations should be revealed

I do as-well. 13 clusters is a lot in the region.

easypazz · 31-03-2020 12:31AM

V8 Interceptor wrote: »

Its at times like this I wish I had a PHD...

Infectious disease expert says Government should consider closing Irish borders

Dr Paddy Mallon, professor of microbial diseases at UCD and consultant at St Vincent’s Hospital in Dublin acknowledged that community transmission of COVID-19 in Ireland presents a significant problem, but identified the risk of imported infections as a major threat.

"We should be looking seriously over the next week at protecting our borders and stopping new infections coming in because it will give us the ability to control the infections that we have."

https://www.msn.com/en-ie/news/coronavirus/infectious-disease-expert-says-government-should-consider-closing-irish-borders/ar-BB11U6Cd?ocid=spartanntp

Coveney dealt with this earlier.

Irish citizens are still getting home and everybody who comes in is required to self isolate.

And with social distancing the spread is much lower now.

Once our numbers start to fall controlling the trickle coming in will be more important.

Test on arrival and quarantine until after results.

kilkenny31 · 31-03-2020 12:31AM

gozunda wrote: »

The figures are not reliable.

Tests are backlogged waiting for analysis up to 12 days.

Shortages of reagent and other issues were bloomed on this in today's briefings.

So you think nothing can be read from today's figures.

ceadaoin. · 31-03-2020 12:32AM

threeball wrote: »

If they keep going to these evangelical churches against advice it won't matter how spread out they are. Money hungry pastors promising to pray the virus away. It's a nutty country.

Yeah a few nutters out of hundreds of millions is not representative of the whole country

fritzelly · 31-03-2020 12:33AM

easypazz wrote: »

Coveney dealt with this earlier.
Irish citizens are still getting home and everybody who comes in is required to self isolate.
And with social distancing the spread is much lower now.
Once our numbers start to fall controlling the trickle coming in will be more important.
Test on arrival and quarantine until after results.

VB and several others have been beating the same drum for weeks - no point trying to reason with them by presenting facts, falling on deaf ears

nocoverart · 31-03-2020 12:34AM

Me hands are fooked! never mind the potential severity of this Virus, my “builder hands” can’t keep this up for much longer.

cameramonkey · 31-03-2020 12:34AM

kilkenny31 wrote: »

So you think nothing can be read from today's figures.

Death rates and if they cleared up the criteria for the numbers of how many were in the actual ICU beds.

kilkenny31 · 31-03-2020 12:36AM

cameramonkey wrote: »

Death rates and if they cleared up the criteria for the numbers of how many were in the actual ICU beds.

But the death rate isn't climbing significantly suggesting that our number of cases isn't rising exponentially.

gozunda · 31-03-2020 12:36AM

kilkenny31 wrote: »

So you think nothing can be read from today's figures.

Listening to today's briefings

Death figures are reliable imo

ICU figures seem to be unclear

Numbers testing positive - no. Too many tests waiting too long to be analysed to give reliable data at this point.

STB. · 31-03-2020 12:36AM

V8 Interceptor wrote: »

Its at times like this I wish I had a PHD...

Infectious disease expert says Government should consider closing Irish borders

Dr Paddy Mallon, professor of microbial diseases at UCD and consultant at St Vincent’s Hospital in Dublin acknowledged that community transmission of COVID-19 in Ireland presents a significant problem, but identified the risk of imported infections as a major threat.

"We should be looking seriously over the next week at protecting our borders and stopping new infections coming in because it will give us the ability to control the infections that we have."

https://www.msn.com/en-ie/news/coronavirus/infectious-disease-expert-says-government-should-consider-closing-irish-borders/ar-BB11U6Cd?ocid=spartanntp

We can't test enough people at the moment. The kits are incomplete without reagents. 2 days in a row now. Tests centres closed.

He is right though. The UK is a huge threat to importing more contagion, right now.

auspicious · 31-03-2020 12:36AM

ceadaoin. wrote: »

Yeah a few nutters out of hundreds of millions is not representative of the whole country

I wonder would they kiss the Pope's ring?

V8 Interceptor · 31-03-2020 12:37AM

tikkahunter wrote: »

How many times you going to post that ? It was explained enough times to you throughout these threads why boarders could not be closed up until this point.

It wasn't explained once.

So you agree with the Professor the borders should be closed now?

amadangomor · 31-03-2020 12:37AM

kilkenny31 wrote: »

So guys. Given today's figures. Can we begin to say that we have flattened the curve? It's highly unlikely given the restrictions that are in place that we will see a significant spike over the coming days or weeks. Is it reasonable to say that it's the measures that were put in place that are the reason for this or given out population is it unlikely that we wouldn't have experienced the growth in other more populated countries anyway.

Far too early to tell, we are the very early stage of the curve. Lots of variables at play so too early to see a pattern.

The restrictions will help no doubt but early days for that also as the heavy restrictions only with us since Saturday morning.

Main thing is not to speculate too much that we are doing great which might lead to complacency, we will see soon enough.

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CoVid19 Part XII - 4,604 in ROI (137 deaths) 998 in NI (56 deaths)(04/04) Read OP