CoVid19 Part XII - 4,604 in ROI (137 deaths) 998 in NI (56 deaths)(04/04) Read OP

kyote00 · 30-03-2020 11:00PM

My 2c....

"so far" --> I think unless we test everyone in the country then its hard to say whether 1/5 will hold. We have no real idea how many people have had (and recovered) and are not counted

- 1 in 5 people in Ireland who’ve had it so far have been hospitalised

RiseAbove4 wrote: »

So let’s look at the maths of it all;

- It has an R0 of roughly 2 (for every person that has it, they pass it onto two)

- it’s estimated at least 60-70% of us will get this

- 1 in 5 people in Ireland who’ve had it so far have been hospitalised

Somebody please tell me if some positivity amongst those numbers before I have my first drink in three years

Because I’m failing to see it

growleaves · 30-03-2020 11:00PM

1 in 5 people who had a confirmed positive test has been hospitalised, many more have it with no symptoms

I'm beginning to think people are going to lose money at the bookies if the death rate is revised downwards.

tobefrank321 · 30-03-2020 11:00PM

Ace2007 wrote: »

If you ground all flights - that means no supplies getting into the country, it means no Irish abroad getting home - no Irish doctors/nurses able to return home - your ok with all these thought yea?

By banning all public transport - you stop essential workers from getting to work who don't drive - again are you ok with this? I'm not - I want them to get to work to serve our country.

Nursing home staff in full hazmats - is this to scare the life out of the residents - it is their home - it's a time when their families and friends can't visit them, and now you want them to think they are in some sci-fi film. Think about this - The sfaff themselves don't want this. As someone who has a loved one in a nursing home and who is paying for it - I don't my loved one thinking they are in a sci-fi movie and feeling scared.

Random temp checks on the street - who do you propose is going to carry out these random checks? If you have a temp - there is nothing wrong with going for a walk while in isolation.

You want to break GDPR and share medical history with the Garda - and what happens if this information become public, because Garda Paul told his wife, or put in Whatapp and gets round the neighbour - again are you ok with this?

There are people that won't pay TV licence - they aren't going to pay a fine.

You see you name 5/6 ideas which all can be easily challenged and are not practical.

FFS, you know well I meant ground passenger flights not cargo flights. I've said that numerous times on here if you'd pay attention. I've also said nurses and doctors should be brought home in a controlled manner. They shouldnt be put on a plane with potentially infected covid passengers from london for example.

Putting nurses and doctors on public transport to get infected? Smart move alright.

Scare the life out of nursing home patients? You think dying of covid19 is a better option for them?

You want someone with Covid 19 to spread it because you're afraid of GDPR? You're joking right?

Care to post your 5 now?

Sounds to me like you've no ideas yourself, only in reacting to what others say.

30-03-2020 11:00PM

RiseAbove4 wrote: »

So let’s look at the maths of it all;

- It has an R0 of roughly 2 (for every person that has it, they pass it onto two)

- it’s estimated at least 60-70% of us will get this

- 1 in 5 people in Ireland who’ve had it so far have been hospitalised

Somebody please tell me if some positivity amongst those numbers before I have my first drink in three years

Because I’m failing to see it

Lol, Where on earth do people get these crazy figures from?

30-03-2020 11:01PM

STB. wrote: »

It is you that is wrong. The only number that the HSE are watching right now is the demands on ICU beds from Covid19 at that moment in time.

It is the number of Covid patients who need ICU beds at this moment in time. On the 20th it was 17. It has gradually increased to 88. Some died. It is now 84 in ICU receiving treatment. Critical cases.

"Have needed" Do you think people are turned around in 24 hours, off you go ? Let me spell it out for you.

Intensive Care Unit. Critical care. We have 500 ICU beds. 84 right now taken up by Covid19 patients. Other patients without Covid19 share ICU capacity out of the 500 beds available.

Don't respond again. You haven't a breeze.

I am correct, it is you who hasn’t a breeze.

The numbers are clearly cumulative how else are they giving percentages if they total number who need hospitalisation and then giving the percentage of that who needed icu and that’s 84 as of today.

84 is the total number since day 1 who have passed though ICU up to Saturday night simple as that.

You like most reporters etc are either not understanding or purposely misrepresenting the figures.

MD1990 · 30-03-2020 11:01PM

the PPE used in Ireland doesnt looks as protective as the gear used in China.

ITman88 · 30-03-2020 11:01PM

growleaves wrote: »

I'm beginning to think people are going to lose money at the bookies if the death rate is revised downwards.

Hahaha, brilliant

Xertz · 30-03-2020 11:01PM

New Home wrote: »

GHS INDEX - Ireland

https://www.ghsindex.org/country/ireland/

GHS INDEX - Worldwide

https://www.ghsindex.org/

That ranking also seems to put the US and UK at the top of the security list, yet those two countries have made a total hames of it so far.

I'm tending to think that political stability, pragmatism and solidarity are playing a lot into this - particularly in terms of ability of the public to maintain order, governments to source equipment and supplies and so on.

Nermal · 30-03-2020 11:01PM

ITman88 wrote: »

-1 in 5 people who had a confirmed positive test has been hospitalised, many more have it with no symptoms

Exactly. Per Iceland study, upper bound of one in fifty requiring hospitalisation. Ignore any percentages derived from non-random testing. They’re noise.

RobertKK · 30-03-2020 11:02PM

Summer2020 wrote: »

Ridiculous , broadcasting from a shed ffs

She never got the memo than mandates a bookshelf should be behind her.

makeandcreate · 30-03-2020 11:02PM

Mrfacts wrote: »

Well not being able to go to the pub is not the end of the world. We just learned tonight that a local pub was at the centre of the Covid 19 spread, we were all contacted from The Red Cove Inn in Ave De Rennes Mahon Cork to be tested for Covid 19 and the place is getting a deep cleaning. We are on the right track, that we are able to find and isolate where the spreads are coming from. A semi lock down is not bad at all, be grateful you are not in a different country with tougher regimes.

Have they not been closed for more than 14 days at this stage and wont be open for at least another month? What's the point of a deep clean ? Genuinely interested in the reason behind it.

Achasanai · 30-03-2020 11:03PM

Deleted User wrote: »

Just think demanding he be silenced and excluded seems irrational,and as such only serves to shut down any discussion??

Not much point in having a discussion forum,which deosnt allow opposing views imo

I agree to a point, but as we don't know where he's getting the numbers or facts from, it can be very dangerous to say that nurses are dying. It can cause panic not even just in the general public, but it would be absolutely terrifying if you read his tweet and you work in a hospital.

It could well be he's telling the truth/getting it from a verified source, but there's a reason that 'source' has become a cliche in here.

bekker · 30-03-2020 11:03PM

RiseAbove4 wrote: »

So let’s look at the maths of it all;

- It has an R0 of roughly 2 (for every person that has it, they pass it onto two)

- it’s estimated at least 60-70% of us will get this

- 1 in 5 people in Ireland who’ve had it so far have been hospitalised

Somebody please tell me if some positivity amongst those numbers before I have my first drink in three years

Because I’m failing to see it

- 1 in 5 people in Ireland who’ve had it so far have been hospitalised.

- 1 in 5 people in Ireland who’ve tested positive for it so far have been hospitalised.

10s or 100s of '000s have been infected.

Beasty · 30-03-2020 11:04PM

STB. wrote: »

Don't respond again. You haven't a breeze.

If you have a problem with a post or poster report it and leave the modding to the mods

lawred2 · 30-03-2020 11:04PM

Stheno wrote: »

Wtf is he at?

His usual attention seeking dickheadery

easypazz · 30-03-2020 11:07PM

What happened Claire Byrnes lamp?

Shn99 · 30-03-2020 11:08PM

Whats the story with the leaflet and the 2 postcards from an post? Has everyone else received theirs? No one in our community has yet

Achasanai · 30-03-2020 11:08PM

Wolf359f wrote: »

I have it myself, so was looking at the reprecussions of it.
After a flare up, you go onto steroids to clear it up and if it's a mild case then no more treatment required. But you can flare up again in the future. I think if you keep flaring up, then it's onto the medication, some of which are immune supressants.

Can I ask whether you are 'cocooning'? There seems to be a bit of confusion as to whether it's the underlying condition or the drugs that require the cocooning (this is from the person's GP).

JoChervil · 30-03-2020 11:09PM

Tanner Cold Needlepoint wrote: »

I am correct, it is you who hasn’t a breeze.

The numbers are clearly cumulative how else are they giving percentages if they total number who need hospitalisation and then giving the percentage of that who needed icu and that’s 84 as of today.

84 is the total number since day 1 who have passed though ICU up to Saturday night simple as that.

You like most reporters etc are either not understanding or purposely misrepresenting the figures.

If this 84 is a cumulative number, so how could have it dropped from 88 reported on the previous day?

People stay in ICU beds for weeks. See how many critical patients from this cruise are still in critical condition

Thepoet85 · 30-03-2020 11:10PM

He just said he knows more than anyone about S. Korea. He claimed hat 38 million people love in Seoul. Its about 10m.

froog · 30-03-2020 11:10PM

RiseAbove4 wrote: »

So let’s look at the maths of it all;

- It has an R0 of roughly 2 (for every person that has it, they pass it onto two)

- it’s estimated at least 60-70% of us will get this

- 1 in 5 people in Ireland who’ve had it so far have been hospitalised

Somebody please tell me if some positivity amongst those numbers before I have my first drink in three years

Because I’m failing to see it

60-70% of people infected is an absolute worst case scenario, if zero control measures were employed. swine flu ended up at 11-21% of the global population and it had nowhere near the controls the world is doing now. so the final figure is likely to be even lower than that.

"hospitalised" numbers doesn't really matter than much, we can expand easily to treat these. it's the critical care numbers that require specialised equipment and staff (ICU). currently 3% of cases in ireland need this level of care. ireland is expanding these capabilities but we really don't know when or if our capacity here will be exhausted.

early days yet but our trends looks promising so far. we appear to possibly be "flattening the curve". the next week will tell a lot.

also there are several promising therapeutic drugs being trialed and these could be approved much faster than a vaccine. these will hugely relieve the pressure on our ICU beds.

also it does actually appear that this thing is somewhat temperature/humidity dependent so that will help in the summer in temperate countries like ireland. (i know some people don't believe this, but there has been scientific analysis and it appears there is indeed a relationship between climate and transmisability)

daheff · 30-03-2020 11:11PM

easypazz wrote: »

What happened Claire Byrnes lamp?

Why can't Ryan do the late late from Claire's shed?

Ryan and Claire both have the virus...hmmm...hmm

Anybody else in Montrose come down with it yet??

gozunda · 30-03-2020 11:11PM

Would appear that testing and lab analysis are a now a disaster - with 40,00 tests cancelled and new tests going without results for up to 12 days due to lack of reagent and other issues

The released figures of those infected simply cannot be reliable at this point ...

Purple Mountain · 30-03-2020 11:11PM

Shn99 wrote: »

Whats the story with the leaflet and the 2 postcards from an post? Has everyone else received theirs? No one in our community has yet

We got 2 lots. Both went in the bin.
Waste of resources when we need such other more pressing items.

murpho999 · 30-03-2020 11:11PM

tobefrank321 wrote: »

Care to post your 5 now?

Sounds to me like you've no ideas yourself, and are only interested in reacting to what others say.

Why should they post 5 just because you want it?

You post the same stuff here over and over again.

Going on and on about flights but they're not the problem now.

Nursing care staff in Hazmat suits. Are you crazy? Do you realise that it's impossible for staff to work in nursing homes in them and never mind the effect on their clients.
Also, where would the suits come from?

Temperatures of people on the street would show nothing and then what do you do if they have a temperature? Enforce emergency legislation and arrest them.

It's in the community.

But you know what look at the numbers, it appears that the ideas that the government brought in under advice from CMO and HSE are working.

Numbers are nowhere near forecast and not at the levels that you or other posters are saying. You're probably disappointed you can't crow on about how "I predicted at Christmas there'd be 20,000 cases at the end of March".

FVP3 · 30-03-2020 11:12PM

JoChervil wrote: »

If this 84 is a cumulative number, so how could have it dropped from 88 reported on the previous day?

People stay in ICU beds for weeks. See how many critical patients from this cruise are still in critical condition

It is true that a cumulative number can't drop.

bottlebrush · 30-03-2020 11:12PM

Purple Mountain wrote: »

We got 2 lots. Both went in the bin.
Waste of resources when we need such other more pressing items.

Are there stamps on the postcards?

Strazdas · 30-03-2020 11:13PM

Mail reporting nine 'domestic' murders in the UK in last 24 hours. This type of thing was always going to be one of the huge downsides of the lockdown.

Obvious Desperate Breakfasts · 30-03-2020 11:13PM

RiseAbove4 wrote: »

So let’s look at the maths of it all;

- It has an R0 of roughly 2 (for every person that has it, they pass it onto two)

- it’s estimated at least 60-70% of us will get this

- 1 in 5 people in Ireland who’ve had it so far have been hospitalised

Somebody please tell me if some positivity amongst those numbers before I have my first drink in three years

Because I’m failing to see it

Well, people who have it don’t shed it forever so theoretically, it is possible to stop it spreading. In practice, that’s much harder though because some people get only mild symptoms and might not know they have it. It’s a shame that it’s not really practical to quickly test the whole country. I read somewhere that Iceland might be testing its entire population because it’s a small enough population to be able to do so.

If people who test positive fastidiously quarantine themselves, that will help.

Gods Gift · 30-03-2020 11:14PM

easypazz wrote: »

What happened Claire Byrnes lamp?

Claire loves lamp.

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CoVid19 Part XII - 4,604 in ROI (137 deaths) 998 in NI (56 deaths)(04/04) Read OP