CoVid19 Part XII - 4,604 in ROI (137 deaths) 998 in NI (56 deaths)(04/04) Read OP

threeball · 30-03-2020 02:39PM

silverharp wrote: »

CCP making more people disappear

https://twitter.com/Imamofpeace/status/1244595361030606848

Alot of evidence points towards China's role in this being much murkier than just allowing wet markets. Some of the biggest Chinese cities saw only 8 deaths. Silencing and disappearing doctors. Massive economic boosts from purchase of equipment from around the world.

chasm · 30-03-2020 02:41PM

Will the Govt update the Travel advisory that was in place for non essential travel? it still states "until March 29th" on the DFA website.

We cannot travel to offshore Islands, but Irish Ferries can still bring in Passengers to Dublin! Their FB page is full of people wanting refunds but Irish Ferries only willing to offer Free amendment(but fare increases may apply) or cancellation where "any applicable cancellation fee due will be credited for use on a future booking for travel in 2021 on either the Ireland France or Irish Sea routes (subject to availability).

Talisman · 30-03-2020 02:41PM

grouchyman wrote: »

Hungary seems to be adopting the strongman approach preferred by some on here

https://twitter.com/pmdfoster/status/1244613131806130182?s=09

All hail supreme leader Orban.

frillyleaf · 30-03-2020 02:42PM

V8 Interceptor wrote: »

Its at times like this I wish I had a PHD...

Infectious disease expert says Government should consider closing Irish borders

Dr Paddy Mallon, professor of microbial diseases at UCD and consultant at St Vincent’s Hospital in Dublin acknowledged that community transmission of COVID-19 in Ireland presents a significant problem, but identified the risk of imported infections as a major threat.

"We should be looking seriously over the next week at protecting our borders and stopping new infections coming in because it will give us the ability to control the infections that we have."

https://www.msn.com/en-ie/news/coronavirus/infectious-disease-expert-says-government-should-consider-closing-irish-borders/ar-BB11U6Cd?ocid=spartanntp

He seems like a pretty nice guy from interviews I’ve seen

joe_99 · 30-03-2020 02:43PM

grouchyman wrote: »

Hungary seems to be adopting the strongman approach preferred by some on here

https://twitter.com/pmdfoster/status/1244613131806130182?s=09

Dangerous times in Hungary. That will not end well.

sheepsh4gger · 30-03-2020 02:44PM

Bob24 wrote: »

For sure some people are making money with this and I am not saying there is no supply at all, but again there currently isn’t *enough* supply for the whole world.

I mean, even medical workers in many Western countries are complaining they don’t have enough protective equipment. Do you genuinely believe the reason they don’t is because their governments are too cheap to buy it for them, rather that simply being due to a lack of supply?

They already ramped up production for the domestic market. I would say China will give you as many masks as you want. It's going to be more of an issue with distribution as anything ran by government is broken.

joe_99 · 30-03-2020 02:45PM

tobefrank321 wrote: »

Our parliament is suspended as is the House of Commons and probably every parliament in the world.

You're a bit late I'm afraid.

Next you will be pointing us to some country which imposed draconian measures such as limiting people to within 2km of their home or only meetings of 2 people.

Hungary is not a liberal democracy like us or the UK.

tobefrank321 · 30-03-2020 02:46PM

chasm wrote: »

Will the Govt update the Travel advisory that was in place for non essential travel? it still states "until March 29th" on the DFA website.

We cannot travel to offshore Islands, but Irish Ferries can still bring in Passengers to Dublin! Their FB page is full of people wanting refunds but Irish Ferries only willing to offer Free amendment(but fare increases may apply) or cancellation where "any applicable cancellation fee due will be credited for use on a future booking for travel in 2021 on either the Ireland France or Irish Sea routes (subject to availability).

Nope. Because they are idiots on both counts. That has been well established.

You can't go 2 km down the road even though CV is hardly present in most counties.

But they allow the shipping in of people hundreds of miles from the UK and back again without any checks whatsoever.

Clowns.

They always leave a massive hole in any lockdown they bring in, usually going to and from an infection hot spot.

rossie1977 · 30-03-2020 02:47PM

joe_99 wrote: »

Hungary is not a liberal democracy like us or the UK.

Hungary has been a fascist dictatorship for some time, these new laws just put cherry on the cake.

tobefrank321 · 30-03-2020 02:47PM

joe_99 wrote: »

Hungary is not a liberal democracy like us or the UK.

Liberal democracies aren't exactly doing too well out of this.

Marsden35 · 30-03-2020 02:48PM

Looks like Spain is on trajectory to overtake Italy as the most affected within a couple of weeks.

Martina1991 · 30-03-2020 02:49PM

eagle eye wrote: »

That was before the change, we have had similar enough figures every day since it was changed, as regards infections, and that isn't going to tell us anything because we are testing under 2k people per day.
Lots of top mathematicians out there but none of them seem to take into account how low our testing numbers per day are.
We probably will never know how many people were infected due to the low testing numbers. I did a guesstimate based on people movement versus % infection and my figure is way higher than what anybody else is saying. I was coming up with circa 98k infected and close to 5k deaths. Deaths so high because of our low number of ICU beds. If you like ok at the hardest hit countries their death rates spiralled when they ran out of ICU beds.

We are carrying out more thasn 2,000 tests a day, and that number is increasing.

We will never know the true number of infected people because many are asymptomatic and will never seek to be tested. That isn't a limitation of the testing process.

spookwoman · 30-03-2020 02:49PM

silverharp wrote: »

Not a bad move

https://twitter.com/Reuters/status/1244577578964393987

Take it down the mask police will have apoplexy seeing that

Talisman · 30-03-2020 02:50PM

frillyleaf wrote: »

He seems like a pretty nice guy from interviews I’ve seen

The CIDR data as of 29/03/2020 13:05 attributes 262 cases (11.8%) to "Travel abroad". Community transmission is by far the largest classification which is why the government have adopted the current measures.

tobefrank321 · 30-03-2020 02:50PM

joe_99 wrote: »

Dangerous times in Hungary. That will not end well.

Essentially they are in a state of war against coronavirus. You only have to look at the restrictions brought in by the UK and US during WW2 to see what happens in emergencies like this. Rationing, locking up of anyone with a surname that is shared by their enemy, curfews, removal of civil liberties.

Par for the course during emergencies.

Irishcrx · 30-03-2020 02:52PM

Reading through the COVID worldwide stats pages - has anyone else followed this and find the following disturbing …

Closed Cases
191,607
Cases which had an outcome:
156,588 (82%)
Recovered / Discharged

35,019 (18%)
Deaths

Of the cases that have now had an outcome , the death rate has been 18% which is absolutely huge compared to what we have been told of 2-3%.

https://www.worldometers.info/coronavirus/

sheepsh4gger · 30-03-2020 02:53PM

https://www.independent.ie/world-news/coronavirus/coronavirus-ireland-15000-applications-for-350-weekly-payment-rejected-39086997.html

That's a bad move. There will be some desperate people flipping out.

Cork Boy 53 · 30-03-2020 02:53PM

Rockbeast2 wrote: »

Best one I heard is that the asteroid due to pass "relatively close" [in an astronomical sense] by the earth on April 29th actually has a high chance of hitting us!!:eek:

The coronavirus quarantine is a way to get us all to shelter in place without the worldwide panic an announcement of a possibly imminent asteroid strike would bring. If it doesn't collide then everything will be quickly back to normal in May apparently.

All makes perfect sense to me!

Sure we have nothing to worry about re. the asteroid. Bruce Willis will save the world in the nick of time.

kilkenny31 · 30-03-2020 02:56PM

Irishcrx wrote: »

Reading through the COVID worldwide stats pages - has anyone else followed this and find the following disturbing …

Closed Cases
191,607
Cases which had an outcome:
156,588 (82%)
Recovered / Discharged

35,019 (18%)
Deaths

Of the cases that have now had an outcome , the death rate has been 18% which is absolutely huge compared to what we have been told of 2-3%.

https://www.worldometers.info/coronavirus/

Yes but that's because health systems are slow to declare people recovered because its a waste of a vital test. The more important figure is deaths vs confirmed cases and even that would show an elevated death rate compared to what the actual death rate is.

30-03-2020 02:56PM

sheepsh4gger wrote: »

https://www.independent.ie/world-news/coronavirus/coronavirus-ireland-15000-applications-for-350-weekly-payment-rejected-39086997.html

That's a bad move. There will be some desperate people flipping out.

If was not the intent to control the payouts to only those eligible, the government would have just introduced a universal basic income.

froog · 30-03-2020 02:57PM

Irishcrx wrote: »

Reading through the COVID worldwide stats pages - has anyone else followed this and find the following disturbing …

Closed Cases
191,607
Cases which had an outcome:
156,588 (82%)
Recovered / Discharged

35,019 (18%)
Deaths

Of the cases that have now had an outcome , the death rate has been 18% which is absolutely huge compared to what we have been told of 2-3%.

https://www.worldometers.info/coronavirus/

the way i read into that is that it's at an early stage in almost every country. at the start, death rates will appear high as the deaths can happen as soon as two weeks. people might be waiting a month+ to be classified as "recovered". Ireland for example aren't prioritizing recovered testing at all yet.

not to mention huge amounts of asymptomatic people not accounted for in the stats.

i still think the final case fatality rate will be somewhere between 1 and 3%.

threeball · 30-03-2020 02:58PM

Marsden35 wrote: »

Looks like Spain is on trajectory to overtake Italy as the most affected within a couple of weeks.

It's weird how Spain was so badly affected by the 1918 flu that they named it after the country despite it originating in America and now they are being savagely hit again. Is there more to this than sheer bad luck?

eagle eye · 30-03-2020 02:58PM

Martina1991 wrote:

We are carrying out more thasn 2,000 tests a day, and that number is increasing.

When did we go over 2k testing?
It was at somewhere between 1700 and 1800 per day only a week or so ago.

Tacitus Kilgore · 30-03-2020 02:59PM

sheepsh4gger wrote: »

https://www.independent.ie/world-news/coronavirus/coronavirus-ireland-15000-applications-for-350-weekly-payment-rejected-39086997.html

That's a bad move. There will be some desperate people flipping out.

Rejecting non applicable claims is a bad move?

Seamai · 30-03-2020 02:59PM

kilkenny31 wrote: »

I just find it ironic that a plane being sent for supplies had a bird strike and had to return to the Airport. Its just our luck.

I think your response is so Irish. WTF is wrong with a large chunk of the population here who seem to think that we as a nation are incapable of doing anything right?

YFlyer · 30-03-2020 02:59PM

sheepsh4gger wrote: »

https://www.independent.ie/world-news/coronavirus/coronavirus-ireland-15000-applications-for-350-weekly-payment-rejected-39086997.html

That's a bad move. There will be some desperate people flipping out.

Part time workers that don't make that amount.

threeball · 30-03-2020 02:59PM

froog wrote: »

the way i read into that is that it's at an early stage in almost every country. at the start, death rates will appear high as the deaths can happen as soon as two weeks. people might be waiting a month+ to be classified as "recovered". Ireland for example aren't prioritizing recovered testing at all yet.

not to mention huge amounts of asymptomatic people not accounted for in the stats.

i still think the final case fatality rate will be somewhere between 1 and 3%.

It also doesnt account for asymptotic people who never present and aren't recorded.

sheepsh4gger · 30-03-2020 03:00PM

Deleted User wrote: »

If was not the intent to control the payouts to only those eligible, the government would have just introduced a universal basic income.

They need to issue some kind of universal pandemic payment. There will be people who will not qualify and resort to stealing.

tobefrank321 · 30-03-2020 03:01PM

Talisman wrote: »

The CIDR data as of 29/03/2020 13:05 attributes 262 cases (11.8%) to "Travel abroad". Community transmission is by far the largest classification which is why the government have adopted the current measures.

1 travel related case can lead to numerous community transmission cases. That's how it started in Ireland. A number of people returning from the continent then went on to infect numerous others who went on to infect others.

You actually only need 1% of travel related cases to (in time) cause 99% of community cases.

threeball · 30-03-2020 03:02PM

sheepsh4gger wrote: »

https://www.independent.ie/world-news/coronavirus/coronavirus-ireland-15000-applications-for-350-weekly-payment-rejected-39086997.html

That's a bad move. There will be some desperate people flipping out.

Did you even read it. Some of these people applying didn't even have jobs before. No doubt some of our local hero's decided to see if they could cash in. Others were under 18 so likely living with mammy and daddy anyway.

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CoVid19 Part XII - 4,604 in ROI (137 deaths) 998 in NI (56 deaths)(04/04) Read OP