CoVid19 Part XII - 4,604 in ROI (137 deaths) 998 in NI (56 deaths)(04/04) Read OP

jam_mac_jam · 30-03-2020 01:24PM

BrianD3 wrote: »

25000 people died from flu in Italy alone in the 2016/2017 flu season. In the 2013/2014 season the figure was 20000. A flu season isn't even close to being a full year.

Also, these figures are excess mortality, it's not clear if the deaths attributed to Covid-19 include significant numbers of people dying with Covid-19 rather than from it.

https://www.ijidonline.com/article/S1201-9712(19)30328-5/fulltext

And how many people died from flu this year in Italy. In addition to Covid? We don't know that either. It's likely that similar numbers to previous years. I'm not sure flu deaths stopped this year.

But yes we don't know the true number of excess deaths until later.

Professor Moriarty · 30-03-2020 01:24PM

Ger Roe wrote: »

How did you hear that and none of us did?

For clarity, I'm quoting another poster.

Gods Gift · 30-03-2020 01:25PM

Sober Crappy Chemis wrote: »

So the birds are part of the conspiracy now?

Get out in your garden if you have one and get some fresh air.

Jesus.

As long as it wasn’t a bat.

silverharp · 30-03-2020 01:26PM

CCP making more people disappear

https://twitter.com/Imamofpeace/status/1244595361030606848

DevilsHaircut · 30-03-2020 01:26PM

https://twitter.com/philipoltermann/status/1244556067125723138

podgeandrodge · 30-03-2020 01:26PM

eagle eye wrote: »

You have to be testing more people to see an increase.

From what I understand that's not entirely correct. When they did the original testing criteria, 90% were negative based on 1 symptom.

So when they raised it to 2 or more symptoms, they are going to get a much higher hit rate even with testing the same number of people.

Happy to be told I am wrong!

Roger_007 · 30-03-2020 01:29PM

jam_mac_jam wrote: »

And how many people died from flu this year in Italy. In addition to Covid? We don't know that either. It's likely that similar numbers to previous years. I'm not sure flu deaths stopped this year.

It won’t be known for some time how many deaths can be attributed to Covid. When the number of deaths for the year are compared to what would normally be expected it will be possible to make that calculation.

Bob24 · 30-03-2020 01:29PM

sheepsh4gger wrote: »

In South Korea the post office gives every citizen 4 masks per week.
Here you get nothing because the government is anti-intellectual.

And Varadkar tells us we are following the Korean model ;-)

caveat emptor · 30-03-2020 01:31PM

DevilsHaircut wrote: »

https://twitter.com/philipoltermann/status/1244556067125723138

Someone should really inform them about our guidelines. CMO said they don't work.Seriously what is wrong with people. I'm so fake outraged right now.

podgeandrodge · 30-03-2020 01:32PM

So, on the masks, and it seems like they are clearly recommended by most countries at this stage.

If you are social distancing, avoiding surfaces and washing hands, the residual risk is really in places like a supermarket for a short period of time yes? The South Korea expert (great video by the way) did imply that outside in the open air there wasn't much risk once people were not congregating for periods of time.

BanditLuke · 30-03-2020 01:33PM

caveat emptor wrote: »

Someone should really inform them about our guidelines. CMO said they don't work.Seriously what is wrong with people. I'm so fake outraged right now.

As soon as we have enough to go around they will magically work again and become mandatory.

josip · 30-03-2020 01:33PM

Sober Crappy Chemis wrote: »

So the birds are part of the conspiracy now?

Get out in your garden if you have one and get some fresh air.

Jesus.

kilkenny31 wrote: »

I mean that tongue in cheek.

I think you should take some of your own advice.

Jesus.

Can the two of you please sort out which one of you is Jesus ?
Rock, paper, scissors for it or something.

frillyleaf · 30-03-2020 01:33PM

Roger_007 wrote: »

I hate that word ‘cocooning’. Let’s call it what it is, it’s effectively the imprisonment of the most vulnerable and fragile people in society and for those who live alone, it’s solitary confinement. We may argue all we like that it’s for the greater good but we cannot ignore the damage that’s being done to the mental health of those who have to suffer it. Isn’t it ironic that in the penal systems of most countries, solitary confinement is not used any more because it is deemed to be too mentally destructive.
One of the, (possibly unintended), consequences of the present policy is if it successful we will end up with a cohort of people who will not be allowed to see the light of day until the disease is completely eradicated, (or a vaccine developed), because they will have no immunity.

I do feel at the moment the safest places for vulnerable and older people is to be in their own homes but also feel that the effects of this on mental health will result in deterioration of people with early signs dementia etc from lack of social interaction and stimulation

kilkenny31 · 30-03-2020 01:34PM

podgeandrodge wrote: »

From what I understand that's not entirely correct. When they did the original testing criteria, 90% were negative based on 1 symptom.

So when they raised it to 2 or more symptoms, they are going to get a much higher hit rate even with testing the same number of people.

Happy to be told I am wrong!

People are getting two things mixed up testing as many people as possible is important to prevent spread but while the lockdown is in place theoretically person to person spread should be reduced which is in fact the case in Ireland. So while that is the case it is best to get a clear picture of people who are presenting with symptoms I.e. are unwell. This will give us an understanding of what we are likely to see in a week or so presenting to hospitals as its only people who are sick that will present to the hospital. Asymptomatic people or people with mild symptoms are unlikely to present to hospital with complications.

When it comes to lifting restrictions it is important that we get our testing sorted. Anyone even with mild symptoms will need to be tested so they can isolate and contact tracing can be performed to prevent spread as these people will likely be back in the community.

To sum up the testing being performed now is sufficient while we are in lockdown and the risk of spread is greatly reduced.

caveat emptor · 30-03-2020 01:34PM

podgeandrodge wrote: »

So, on the masks, and it seems like they are clearly recommended by most countries at this stage.

If you are social distancing, avoiding surfaces and washing hands, the residual risk is really in places like a supermarket for a short period of time yes? The South Korea expert (great video by the way) did imply that outside in the open air there wasn't much risk once people were not congregating for periods of time.

Yeah fair point. If going to the supermarket doesn't fill you with fear at this stage it should.

cj maxx · 30-03-2020 01:35PM

josip wrote: »

Can the two of you please sort out which one of you is Jesus ?
Rock, paper, scissors for it or something.

Thanks josip. That made me giggle

frillyleaf · 30-03-2020 01:36PM

tobefrank321 wrote: »

Human nature being what it is. 90% will self isolate. But you will get 10% who don't believe any of this coronavirus nonsense and aren't going to be told by anyone what to do.

As for the 90% they could infect family members who could then go on to infect someone else.

At this stage its probably best if we reduce flights from hotspot areas to the bare minimum and isolate people on those flights in hotels or other centres for 14 days. Its not ideal but at least it prevents them spreading something to the community.

It only takes a handful to spread this to a lot more. Coronavirus is just not something we can afford to take chances with, especially in the next few weeks.

I know of people who were being asked over to dinner in friends houses even after our restrictions were announced on Friday!!

jam_mac_jam · 30-03-2020 01:36PM

BanditLuke wrote: »

As soon as we have enough to go around they will magically work again and become mandatory.

Yeah i agree. I think we are going to see a change in the next few weeks.

pjohnson · 30-03-2020 01:36PM

josip wrote: »

Can the two of you please sort out which one of you is Jesus ?
Rock, paper, scissors for it or something.

They are both frauds. I AM JESUS

Jin luk · 30-03-2020 01:37PM

Olympics giving green light to go ahead,

Cant end good surely.

deise08 · 30-03-2020 01:37PM

https://m.youtube.com/watch?v=D5DhJS5hGWc&feature=share&fbclid=IwAR2jswNbrmtxO8-Q-OnoxhZU8NWHYRwYcYzUd_-_tg6eGzlA42hvin5uJlw

The artist has signed over copyright so all royalties go to hospital in bergamo.
Renacerai.
I will reborn

Talisman · 30-03-2020 01:38PM

iamwhoiam wrote: »

https://www.breakingnews.ie/world/breathing-machine-developed-in-under-100-hours-to-help-covid-19-patients-990916.html

Positive news .

Yes it is.

A team from University College London (UCL) and University College London Hospital (UCLH) have worked with Mercedes Formula One to adapt and improve existing CPAP in a process known as reverse engineering.

The lawyers are going to have field day when this is over.

eagle eye · 30-03-2020 01:38PM

podgeandrodge wrote:

So when they raised it to 2 or more symptoms, they are going to get a much higher hit rate even with testing the same number of people.

That was before the change, we have had similar enough figures every day since it was changed, as regards infections, and that isn't going to tell us anything because we are testing under 2k people per day.
Lots of top mathematicians out there but none of them seem to take into account how low our testing numbers per day are.
We probably will never know how many people were infected due to the low testing numbers. I did a guesstimate based on people movement versus % infection and my figure is way higher than what anybody else is saying. I was coming up with circa 98k infected and close to 5k deaths. Deaths so high because of our low number of ICU beds. If you like ok at the hardest hit countries their death rates spiralled when they ran out of ICU beds.

kingshankly · 30-03-2020 01:38PM

Jin luk wrote: »

Olympics giving green light to go ahead,

Cant end good surely.

It’s in 2021 you know 😂

Ger Roe · 30-03-2020 01:39PM

Jin luk wrote: »

Olympics giving green light to go ahead,

Cant end good surely.

In July 2021 - do you think that's too soon?

frillyleaf · 30-03-2020 01:39PM

caveat emptor wrote: »

Someone should really inform them about our guidelines. CMO said they don't work.Seriously what is wrong with people. I'm so fake outraged right now.

It completely makes sense for EVERYONE to wear masks as this reduces the chances of transmission in people who do not have symptoms. Everyone in South Korea wears a mask. We just don’t have enough for everyone to use so I would imagine they are being kept for healthcare workers as they are more vulnerable to being exposed. Wearing masks reduces the risk of you infecting others and makes sense if we had the resources to do this

Bob24 · 30-03-2020 01:39PM

podgeandrodge wrote: »

So, on the masks, and it seems like they are clearly recommended by most countries at this stage.

If you are social distancing, avoiding surfaces and washing hands, the residual risk is really in places like a supermarket for a short period of time yes? The South Korea expert (great video by the way) did imply that outside in the open air there wasn't much risk once people were not congregating for periods of time.

Yes mostly indoor or outdoor if you are in close proximity.

It isn’t just supermarkets though. Amongst the things I can thing of, if someone lives in an apartment block the common areas are for exemple a potential vector. Particularly if you are getting on a lift which is a small enclosed area - if someone who is contagious was coughing on the lift earlier in the day you could still have traces of the virus.

Dave0301 · 30-03-2020 01:39PM

Jin luk wrote: »

Olympics giving green light to go ahead,

Cant end good surely.

In 2021...

cameramonkey · 30-03-2020 01:40PM

kilkenny31 wrote: »

I think so. Apparently it had to return to the Airport. Its such an Irish story.

what do mean an Irish story?

Tippex · 30-03-2020 01:40PM

Jin luk wrote: »

Olympics giving green light to go ahead,

Cant end good surely.

yes in 2021 not this year.

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CoVid19 Part XII - 4,604 in ROI (137 deaths) 998 in NI (56 deaths)(04/04) Read OP