CoVid19 Part XI - 2,615 in ROI (46 deaths) 410 in NI (21 deaths)(29/03)OP upd 28/03

28-03-2020 07:18PM

fritzelly wrote: »

Essential services list

https://www.gov.ie/en/publication/dfeb8f-list-of-essential-service-providers-under-new-public-health-guidelin/

Pretty much everything then.....?

cj maxx · 28-03-2020 07:19PM

smallfryy wrote: »

So what happens? They're not helped breathe? Do we not even try save them? I can't even imagine any doctor that wouldn't try surely?

*edit* just to add I wasnt aware it was so bad in a nursing home. How very sad, poor things.

Look at the post earlier that links video and audio from doctors in Madrid. They're wentilating those who they think stand a chance. Those that don't ( the elderly) are let die

RugbyLad11 · 28-03-2020 07:19PM

wakka12 wrote: »

Ireland now has the 16th highest number of COVID deaths per capita in the world. If you exclude microstates with populations under 50k then it is 13th in the world

Ah but sure didn't you hear Leo quoted the Terminator in his speech? He is so amazing for calling the lockdown even though we are one of the last counties in Europe to call the lockdown...

jackboy · 28-03-2020 07:19PM

So would it be ok to attend a medical for a new job?

RugbyLad11 · 28-03-2020 07:20PM

ACitizenErased wrote: »

I think that is related to the fact that, unfortunately, we've had quite a large hospital/nursing home outbreak.

That is no excuse, most counties have had hospital/nursing home outbreaks anyway

Manach · 28-03-2020 07:20PM

snotboogie wrote: »

China was legitamitely way ahead of Europe for a huge part of the history of human civilization. Look at the Mongols, who were the only real far reaching imperialist empire within the Chinese sphere of influence. They steamrolled Eastern Europe in a matter of months with a mere scouting mission, while it took them generations to topple Song China, which was considered a particularly insular and non progressive Chinese Empire. China's lack of international ambition cost them in the early age of globalisation and they had a very bad century and a half of humiliation, colonisation and terrible leadership. Its unfair to look at that brief period and judge their overall culture. .

Historically speaking no. There have been cycles of development were China as in sync with Europe and other times it lagged behind. However it is the Chinese people's ill luck that in this era to have a friable authoritarian government with a veneer of one of the most ill-starred ideologies communism. To believe that mainline China has this virus under control or is acting honestly within this current crisis is not creditable.

paul71 · 28-03-2020 07:20PM

is_that_so wrote: »

As always depends on the source of such numbers. Our rate of increase seems to be down to about 14%.

Which is about half as slow as Italy and Spain experienced at the same stage.

Jim_Hodge · 28-03-2020 07:20PM

BanditLuke wrote: »

Getting away from them now. Predictable given our one step behind the virus policies over the last month.

Rate of new cases lower, yet again, than yesterday. What do you base the scaremongering on? Deaths are up but that has been expected with the care home clusters.

I think some people just love painting as dark a picture as possible.

ZX7R · 28-03-2020 07:20PM

Kermit.de.frog wrote: »

Don't we already know it was 71 as of yesterday?

70 as of today according to rte news

theballz · 28-03-2020 07:20PM

RugbyLad11 wrote: »

Ah but sure didn't you hear Leo quoted the Terminator in his speech? He is so amazing for calling the lockdown even though we are one of the last counties in Europe to call the lockdown...

“RugbyLad”...... say no more

is_that_so · 28-03-2020 07:21PM

jackboy wrote: »

So would it be ok to attend a medical for a new job?

Check with the new employer I'd say to see what's happening.

marno21 · 28-03-2020 07:21PM

Whilst every new case is worrying and every new death is incredibly sad and distressing for everyone involved, the case numbers presented again today, in the context of comparing Ireland with other countries, is another very encouraging sign of the excellent and underappreciated work being done in this country to contain this outbreak. Down to 13% increase today, and the further measures announced last night are another step in the right direction to a further reduction in cases.

To put it into context from when the initial measures were announced, there was a forecast by the Taoiseach of 30% increases to get to 15k by the end of the month. Were the 30% forecast to be accurate today, we would be looking at 636 cases announced today, and that neglects the compound growth that would have seen far higher cases reported up to today.

For reference (I hope my sums are right), when Varadkar announced the forecast of 15k on March 16, by yesterday we would have had 3,996 cases and by today 5,195. Which would have seen 1199 extra cases today. We are doing much better than some of our neighbours

New Home · 28-03-2020 07:21PM

smallfryy wrote: »

So what happens? They're not helped breathe? Do we not even try save them? I can't even imagine any doctor that wouldn't try surely?

*edit* just to add I wasnt aware it was so bad in a nursing home. How very sad, poor things.

Not only in nursing homes. In nursing homes they don't even get tested. Due to the shortages of ICU beds and machines and staff, in Spain and Italy health workers have reported either elderly/frail people not getting the ventilators AT ALL and getting sedated instead; or if it had been given to them in the first place and someone younger was admitted needing it, the elderly patients would be removed from their ventilator so that it could be
given to the younger patient.

That's why people have been talking about genocide.

RugbyLad11 · 28-03-2020 07:22PM

smallfryy wrote: »

Why are there so many deaths all of a sudden? Is it because hospitals are so busy? Or are we just starting to see the impact now?

Because the virus doesn't kill people instantly, it takes a few weeks

Corkgirl20 · 28-03-2020 07:22PM

In irish hospitals, I know we have ICU but do we also have high dependency wards ? Or any type of ward that is a step down from ICU.

jackboy · 28-03-2020 07:22PM

is_that_so wrote: »

Check with the new employer I'd say to see what's happening.

Medicals are generally outsourced now by most of the big companies so they would have no input.

Un1corn · 28-03-2020 07:23PM

snotboogie wrote: »

China was legitamitely way ahead of Europe for a huge part of the history of human civilization. Look at the Mongols, who were the only real far reaching imperialist empire within the Chinese sphere of influence. They steamrolled Eastern Europe in a matter of months with a mere scouting mission, while it took them generations to topple Song China, which was considered a particularly insular and non progressive Chinese Empire. China's lack of international ambition cost them in the early age of globalisation and they had a very bad century and a half of humiliation, colonisation and terrible leadership. Its unfair to look at that brief period and judge their overall culture. They are moving much faster than us in Western Europe now, their major cities could well have a higher standard of living than us in a decade or two.

Would you like to live in a major Chinese City under the Communist Party dictatorship? I can assure you. You wouldn't. I actually believe the Party is on the verge of self-implosion. Their only source of legitimacy, economic growth, is eroding fast. Also, the myth of the Chinese century is just that. China's economic miracle is anything but. The party claim to have taken 1 billion people out of poverty but let's not forget the exacerbated poverty in the first place.

The Chinese State is corrupt to the core and is only delivering wealth to a select few of the Chinese population. I recommend the book "The perfect dictatorship" by Stein Ringen. He maintains that China's growth and is just "Big" rather than great. The sheer scale of the growth is impressive simply because China has a huge population. He argues that the productivity and quality of Chinese growth is extremely limited and only 30% of the population in China is actually doing well under the communists. Once the growth stops flowing which could happen now even faster due to the Wuhan Coronavirus and the party can't deliver houses to its princesses in London and Vancouver the regime will collapse.

niallo27 · 28-03-2020 07:23PM

Deleted User wrote: »

Pretty much everything then.....?

Not when you go into them individually.

tobefrank321 · 28-03-2020 07:23PM

RugbyLad11 wrote: »

That is no excuse, most counties have had hospital/nursing home outbreaks anyway

Nursing homes were always going to be the weak link with cocooning.

I presume the HSE had a significant plan for them.

ax530 · 28-03-2020 07:23PM

jackboy wrote: »

So would it be ok to attend a medical for a new job?

Medical appointments permitted

smelly sock · 28-03-2020 07:23PM

14 more dead. Wow.

Scary stuff.

Ffs should we have locked down earlier?

RurtBeynolds · 28-03-2020 07:23PM

I can hear kids playing outside :rolleyes:

is_that_so · 28-03-2020 07:23PM

paul71 wrote: »

Which is about half as slow as Italy and Spain experienced at the same stage.

Yeah, a positive of sorts for those of us looking on but little comfort for people affected by it and for families of those who have passed away.

Corkgirl20 · 28-03-2020 07:24PM

RugbyLad11 wrote: »

Because the virus doesn't kill people instantly, it takes a few weeks

I would also think because the virus got into nursing homes with old people with underlying conditions I’d imagine they would fall ill very quickly.
Some may rather pass away as opposed to take interventions and struggle through and possibly be in pain.

Fakediamond · 28-03-2020 07:24PM

45,000 new cases diagnosed worldwide since I looked at the tracking app this morning around 10.00 a.m. that’s terrifying....

virusncov.com

walshb · 28-03-2020 07:24PM

RurtBeynolds wrote: »

I can hear kids playing outside :rolleyes:

The new naughty step!!

RugbyLad11 · 28-03-2020 07:24PM

theballz wrote: »

“RugbyLad”...... say no more

What is your point? Everyone was talking about the UK but they called the lockdown well before us

Stheno · 28-03-2020 07:24PM

Corkgirl20 wrote: »

In irish hospitals, I know we have ICU but do we also have high dependency wards ? Or any type of ward that is a step down from ICU.

Yes we have both

An Ciarraioch · 28-03-2020 07:25PM

smelly sock wrote: »

14 more dead. Wow.

Scary stuff.

Ffs should we have locked down earlier?

Given most of the deaths appear to have been in nursing homes, what difference would it have made?

splinter65 · 28-03-2020 07:25PM

smallfryy wrote: »

So what happens? They're not helped breathe? Do we not even try save them? I can't even imagine any doctor that wouldn't try surely?

*edit* just to add I wasnt aware it was so bad in a nursing home. How very sad, poor things.

In Italy they put the very elderly on ventilators for 12 and more days and there they lay suffering and they all died in the end, alone without any comfort.

CoVid19 Part XI - 2,615 in ROI (46 deaths) 410 in NI (21 deaths)(29/03)*OP upd 28/03*

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CoVid19 Part XI - 2,615 in ROI (46 deaths) 410 in NI (21 deaths)(29/03)OP upd 28/03